BREAKING MSNBC: Tom DeLay indicted for money-laundering!

[Bluebear]

Developing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

on edit: thanks to rosco t: This is a DIFFERENT grand jury that indicted him last week!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4961560&mesg_id=4961790

[CatWoman]

1. are you SERIES???????

:hi:

:wow:

[Bluebear]

2. THIS IS HUGH!!!!!!!!111111111

[hiley]

59. link

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_DeLay_Indictment.html
DeLay indicted on money laundering charge
By APRIL CASTRO
> Associated Press Writer
>
AUSTIN — A Texas grand jury on Monday indicted U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay on a new charge of money laundering.

A different grand jury whose term ended last week indicted him on a conspiracy charge, forcing DeLay to temporarily step down as House majority leader.

Both indictments accuse DeLay and two political associates of conspiring to get around a state ban on corporate campaign contributions by funneling the money through the DeLay-founded Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee to the Republican National Committee in Washington
snip--

[ken_g]

101. catwoman, bluebear: I will never stop LOL every time I see that!

[CatWoman]

106. me, too

:rofl:

[HughMoran]

112. This is HUGH!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[stevedeshazer]

134. I'm so glad to see this

:hi:

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

135. Bush might have to declare marshall law!

[Kingofalldems]

7. To continue

This is hugh!

[sickinohio]

OK - this hugh thing that I've

seen before - is that a rePuke thing kinda like Moran???

[CatWoman]

26. LOLOLOLOL

Yes. :D

[peekaloo]

28. yes. Freeperspeak for huge.

:D

seriesly

[Jackpine Radical]

56. Where's Hugh Moran??//?

Does he no about thes.

[MoonRiver]

62. HAHAHA!

The new DU freeper mascot! Hugh MorAn! Love it! :rofl:

[Jackpine Radical]

80. Sadly, it's not original.

In fact, there's a relatively new DUer who posts as Hugh Moran. He musta lurked for a long time to come up with such a wonderful name.

[HughMoran]

114. You seem to know any awfully lot about me!

Are you stocking me? :rofl:

[Debi]

132. Stocking? !!

Funny :7

Welcome to DU :toast:

[HughMoran]

105. Here I am!!!

You remember me! :pals:

I leave DU for 2 hours, and I miss all this !

[Lindacooks]

109. Welcome to DU, if it hasn't been said before!!

[HughMoran]

116. Thanks Lindacooks :)

:hi:

[HughMoran]

110. I now no about thes!! This is HUGH!!!!111111

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[CatWoman]

131. HM

I like the cut of your jib

:hi:

:D

[Coexist]

100. Yes, they have a hard time spelling 'huge'

they forget to hold down the Shift Key and a row of exclamation points comes out as !!1!

Also - series is FR for serious. Too many vowels in a row seems to confuse the poor buggers.

[sickinohio]

107. Thanks everyone!!

That's hilarious!!

[TheWebHead]

19. No, this is "seriesously hugh"!

Those guys who defended DeLay will end up looking like real "morans"... Excuse me while I consult my dictshunary :)

[Bluebear]

TRUTH BE DEMAND!!!!!!!!11111111

[CatWoman]

51. oh boy!!!! someone else for me to stock

I'M STOCKING YOU, BLUEBEAR!!!! :D

[Bluebear]

61. I've never had it so good :)

:hug:

[DancingBear]

72. Hey Bluebear, get it right, will ya??

It's "truth be demand, dammit!" :) :) :) :)

[Coexist]

102. LOL!

thanks for the laugh people. I am sick and I just got really pissed off at a Fox News segment from Crooksandliars. I am happier now.

[HughMoran]

115. This is HUGH!!!!!11111

;)

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause:

[Ediacara]

Is this something new/different than his indictment from last week?

The other indictment was IIRC fraud, but the scheme was essentially money laundering. Is this a new indictment?

[CatWoman]

12. yes

his lawyer is on right now with Dan Abrams.

[0007]

94. Might not fly. I hope I'm wrong!

The new indictment comes hours after DeLay's attorneys filed a motion to dismiss the case. That motion was based on the argument that the conspiracy charge against DeLay was based on a law that wasn't effective until 2003, the year after the alleged money transfers.

"Since the indictment charges no offense, and since you have professed not to be politically motivated in brining this indictment, I request that you immediately agree to dismiss the indictment so that the political consequences can be reversed," attorney Dick DeGuerin wrote in a letter to Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle.


http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_DeLay_Indictment.html

[charlie]

17. I know it's only a blurb

but there's no mention of "conspiracy", which might mean he's been nailed directly this time around.

[CatWoman]

33. a separate grand jury indicted him for money laundering.

[charlie]

63. *big toothy grin*

:D

I'm gonna go eat some ice cream. Lotsa ice cream.

[ronnykmarshall]

77. Oh happy day!!

Hammer the Hammer!!

[hatrack]

31. Correct - last week was conspiracy

And now, money laundering.

My kingdom for a little B & E!

[iconoclastNYC]

38. Previous was for conspiracy...this appears to be a new indictment

[Seen the light]

3. LMFAO!

This has been the best week to be a Democrat in a long time.

[Rosco T.]

4. Is this ANOTHER INDICTMENT????

oh happy day...

[Bluebear]

5. See banner on link! =)

[Ediacara]

13. You could just say yes or no :-)

But aparently YES, it's new, same GJ though...

[Bluebear]

18. Yes, it is. That was a gleeful "see banner", not a snarky one :)

:toast:

[Ediacara]

29. I know

Sorry I didn't mean to imply I thought it was snark. I am just on a really ssssslllllllooooooooowwwwwwwww computer and I would prefer the link clicking to be kept to a minimum :-)

[texpatriot2004]

143. Nope, new indictments with new grand jury

Money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering

[ShrewdLiberal]

11. Yes, the NEW charge is MONEY LAUNDERING!

[Bluebear]

15. And welcome to DU!

[ShrewdLiberal]

30. Thanks for the welcome, Bluebear

It's well appreciated.

[Ediacara]

23. I am watching MSNBC now, thanks!

And Welcome! :hi:

I am seeing DeLay's lawyer yammering on about how the first indictment was not for a real crime, and this new indictment is just playing politics.

[onenote]

6. I also hear that a big hurricane may hit New Orleans before labor day

[Bluebear]

"I also hear that a big hurricane may hit New Orleans before labor day"

Eh??

[Shakespeare]

20. Um. It's a NEW charge.

Good luck with that foot-in-mouth issue, though. ;-)

[Bluebear]

22. LOL.... something in a 10 1/2 wide?

teehee.

[Czolgosz]

44. Ha!

[onenote]

137. Well, shut my mouth!!

I knew the Texas Grand Jury expired on Friday so I just figured that this story was one of those "oops" moments. Turns out it was, but for me, not the OP!! Man those Texans know how to keep things secret. Eight gazillion stories about the first Delay indictment and not once did I hear anything about a second Grand Jury! Well, that'll teach me to leap before looking!!

onenote

[Bluebear]

140. It's all good :)

I don't think it will be the last indictment either for this scum.

[Mz Pip]

8. Giggle.

Giggle. BBBWWWWHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Ha ha.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[qanda]

9. Keep this up and ...

We'll have to start a new feature called "DeLay's Indictment of the Week"

[OldLeftieLawyer]

10. I was wondering

It didn't make sense, that single conspiracy charge, given what it was in reference to. He had to be indicted for money laundering for the conspiracy charge to make sense.

Happy New Year, y'all.................................

[Behind the Aegis]

L'Shana Tova, to you too!

[iconoclastNYC]

45. You dont even have to committ the crime for conspiracy

You only have to talk about it with two other people if i remember what i've read correctly, if not i'm sure i'll be corrected.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

84. You're right

It's the only "crime" that punishes thought and speech.

I was loathe to admit it, but I kept thinking that DeLay would beat the conspiracy rap, if that's all there was, and that would return him to DC stronger than ever.

And that would be when we'd take up permanent residence in Canada.

[DefenseLawyer]

92. Conspiracy

generally requires an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime and then someone (doesn't have to be the defendant) to commit what is referred to as an "overt act" in furtherance of the conspiracy. If you and I agree to rob the bank and then you go buy us some ski masks, I could be tried for conspiracy if it could be proven that we had such an agreement and that your purchase of the masks was for us to use robbing the bank. Conspiracy is actually very easy to prove in many cases (contrary to some of the opinions I have seen here) because most such cases involve one or more of the conspirators "flipping" on the others. The agreement is proven because one of the conspirators is willing to testify against the others in exchange for leniency. No actual criminal act, other the the act of agreeing, is required to convict a defendant. The corollary of course is the old saying "If nobody talks, everybody walks".

[Raksha]

58. L'Shanah Tovah, OldLeftieLawyer!

DeLay indicted for money laundering--what a great New Year's gift!!!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

86. I have a story for Rosh Hoshanah

Tonight is the anniversary of my literary agent's selling my first book.

I was sitting at my desk, with my feet up, and the phone rang. I picked it up, and she said, "Happy New Year. I just sold your book."

Days of Awe, indeed............... :woohoo: :applause:

[Bluebear]

75. Shanah tovah to ya!

[DanCa]

14. Blue bear you rule yes

I was in total depression mode today. Man big :hug:

[Debi]

16. EAGLES UP!

:bounce: <-does that look like an eagle?

[fooj]

21. Woo hoo! Can't wait to see the little prick frog-marched!

He gives me the frickin' creeps!

peace.

[mshasta]

24. WTFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

:wow:

[redacted]

25. smile.

[johnfunk]

27. It's CHRISTMAS IN OCTOBER

Deck the halls with two indictments,
Fa la la la la, la lalala!
Cue the frog march! Such excitements!
Fa la la la la, la lalala!
Tom DeLay's a sleazy felon,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la!
Hear him whinin', hear him yellin'!
Fa la la la la, la lalala!

[Lindsay]

65. Oh, I'll be singing this all night!

Thanks for the great lyrics!!!

:bounce:

[1monster]

68. Love your Christmas carol!

:loveya:

[hopeisaplace]

141. ok that's funny

"deck the halls with two indictments" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[indie_voter]

32. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy! n/t

[LiberalVoice]

34. HOOfuckingRAY!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. Delay's lawyer, on Abrams show is saying this new indictment

is a result of his motion filed, that claimed there "is no such thing as conspiracy in the election laws of texas."

Therefore, the atty is saying that Earle did this to cover his ass.

Abrams said, in essence, this is a serious charge you make. You honestly think that Earle got your motion, called the gj together and came up with another indictment that quickly??? Delay's atty, "yes."

[ramblin_dave]

Is this the same Grand Jury? I thought that jury was dismissed

which is why the foreman was able to speak about the case.

[johnfunk]

46. Translation: BWAAAAAAAH! BWAA BWAA BWAAAAH!

DeLay's shark has a lotta 'splainin' to do...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

87. His lawyer's very, very good

Never take Dick DeGuerin lightly. He's a real magician.

For now, he's doing the spin.

Turn, turn, turn.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

36. I'll wait for more details before officially celebrating

But right now I'm ecstatic.


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[deadparrot]

37. God, this is too much fun.

Seriously, I shouldn't have this much fun over a frigging indictment.

But I so am. :D :D :D

And Bush thought he was going to steal the news cycle today...:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

39. So is this a second count?

Yessssssssssssssssssssss!!!

[derby378]

40. How am I celebrating? 18 minutes of hardcore! (Techno, that is...)

I want to share. Here ya go:

http://rog.thoughtbludgeon.com/RoG_Hardcore_Produktionz-18_Minutes_of_HARDCORE.mp3

[Ediacara]

41. According to DeLay's lawyer on MSNBC

The first indictment wasn't for a "real" crime, so Earle had to throw up a new politically motivated indictment to save face. According to DeLay's lawyer, this is a new indictment for the same crime.

And now putting on my bullshit detection glasses, it's clear that Earle is indicting DeLay for both money laundering, and conspiracy to commit money laundering.

[Skidmore]

74. Ummm, Mr. Lawyer, that was a charge IN ADDITION TO

the orignal charge. That be 2 charges, by my cipherin'. Mr. Lawyer, both look like "real" crimes to me.

[Ediacara]

88. Totally

And from what I've read, this is a different Grand Jury than the one that handed down the conspiracy indictment, which makes his claim that Earle was saving face doubley absurd.

[incapsulated]

42. NEW CHARGES!

A second indictment!

:woohoo:

[Paganini]

43. Oh glorious schadenfreude

[hwmnbn]

78. schadenfreude, shmadenfreude...

I love it when the repugs suffer!! Welcome to DU, Paganini :toast:

BTW, I love your music, you play a mean fiddle :nopity:

[peekaloo]

47. *happy dance*

:woohoo:

[journalist3072]

48. I'm sitting here watching tv and listening to Randi Rhodes

And my local news channel had the new indictment as breaking news!!!! Forgive me for saying this, because I know we aren't supposed to rejoice over other people's troubles, but I whooped for joy!!!

[Rosco T.]

49. Frog March time, this is a CRIMINAL CHARGE.

RULE OF LAW!
RULE OF LAW!
RULE OF LAW!

[DainBramaged]

50. WAPO link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/03/AR2005100300190.html

[Czolgosz]

52. Is this the same Travis County grand jury or another grand jury?

[Marr]

53. Why won't Earle just leave that poor little hardworking man alone!!

Now he's got the whole legal system going along with his persecution games! It's not fair!

:P

[buzzard]

104. Earle goofed up with the wrong charge. n/t

[Shakespeare]

122. No, he didn't. n/t

[buzzard]

133. I'll be happy if that is the case.

[mzmolly]

54. The house of cards comes tumbling town ...

one by one.

Perhaps I lost faith too soon?

[Jackpine Radical]

73. Good Golly,....

Sorry. The devil made me do that.

Keep the baby, Faith.

[mzmolly]

103. Well, satan does make the rounds here.

;)

[hiley]

55. from the Statesman

AUSTIN — A Texas grand jury on Monday indicted U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay on a new charge of money laundering.

A different grand jury whose term ended last week indicted him on a conspiracy charge, forcing DeLay to temporarily step down as House majority leader.

Both indictments accuse DeLay and two political associates of conspiring to get around a state ban on corporate campaign contributions by funneling the money through the DeLay-founded Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee to the Republican National Committee in Washington.
snip--
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_DeLay_Indictment.html

[DeepModem Mom]

57. Gimme an R! R! Gimme an O! O! Gimme two Ns! NN! Gimme an I! I!

Gimme an E! E! Whaddaya got? RONNIE!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

81. Why thank you ...

but I spell it with a "Y" not an "IE".

[DeepModem Mom]

124. A cheer for you, too, Ronny! nt

[MissB]

60. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:rofl:

I'm loving it. Really.

Karma is such a bugger sometimes, eh?

[malaise]

69. Karma is a bitch

:rofl: :rofl:

[rndmprsn]

64. whoaaaaa!

strike two!

[La Coliniere]

66. I love the smell of a new idictment in the early evening.

Perhaps there will be some real consequences for this ex exterminator. We can only hope.

[Rosco T.]

67. By the way kids... THIS IS A DIFFERENT GRAND JURY...

NOT the one that indicted him last week...

[Misunderestimator]

70. Wooohoooo!!

[never cry wolf]

71. This article explains it, not all good news

A criminal conspiracy charge against U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay should be dismissed because conspiracy laws did not apply to the state election code during the 2002 election, DeLay's lawyers argued in a brief filed today. The filing represents an attempt at a quick knockout of the case against DeLay, who was indicted last week by a Travis County grand jury. The term of the grand jury ended last week and a deadline to indict DeLay might have expired since then.

DeLay's lawyer Dick DeGuerin said "rumors are flying" that prosecutors were trying to find a sitting grand jury, who hadn't heard any of the DeLay case, to return a new money-laundering indictment. In a letter to Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle, DeGuerin said DeLay is withdrawing his waiver of the statute of limitations to investigate him. Last month DeLay signed that waiver in an attempt to head off an indictment.

In the brief, DeGuerin argued that the conspiracy statute did not apply to the election code until the Legislature amended the law, effective Sept. 1, 2003, after the 2002 election.

http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/metro/stories/10/4delay.html

[Mr_Spock]

Hmmm, nice catch

We might have to resort to "Plan B" :D

[never cry wolf]

91. I hope it isn't true

But it sounds like Earle had to scramble a bit in case the conspiracy was tossed out.

[confludemocrat]

118. As the celebration here goes on, this is cause for worry. Hope it sticks

Also, the waiver of the statute of limitations being withdrawn, what does that mean for this particular case, anyone know?

[never cry wolf]

121. I have no idea, that worries me too

Does that waiver apply for the money laundering charge or just the conspiracy? What is the Statute of Limitations for the money laundering, is it the same as for the conspiracy?

No one will see these questions in the middle of this Irish wake but it's not making me confident.

[confludemocrat]

126. Daily Kos discussion has more on the reasons behind this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/3/182033/128 a post by LOL and this link:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3380481

and the article provides an opinion by an expert that the conspiracy indictment is valid, so this latest charge must be "just in case".

Smart.

[never cry wolf]

129. Thanks, seems as if Earle is trying to cover all bases

The 2nd link gave me hope both charges can be brought and the motion filed today by bugmans lawyers is just their interpretation.

[strategery blunder]

139. Dick DeGuerin probably invented said rumors

:eyes:

[brettdale]

76. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He's going down!

[Brundle_Fly]

79. DAMAGE CONTROL ALREADY IN EFFECT!

This is a second indictment because the first one was "sooo weak"

Good Grief.

[ronnykmarshall]

83. He's gonna be poopin' in his pants.

[stlsaxman]

108. Or rather "Hot-tub Tom" just pooped in the hot tub!

eeeeewwwwww! all those brown bubbles!!!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

119. How vivid!!

:silly:

[Freedomfried]

85. THIS ONE EARNS HIM THE HANDCUFFS

LOL!

[MoonRiver]

82. Dobbs will be talking MORE about DeLay's SECOND indictment

after the break. Happy watching! :D :popcorn:

[Renew Deal]

89. "I didn't do nothing wrong"

Bullshit!!!

[Rosco T.]

90. Anyone want to join me in an early Christmas Carol???

O! Schadenfreude, O! Schadenfreude.. your asses are now roasting....
O! Schadenfreude, O! Schadenfreude... soon you will be frog-marching...

[H2O Man]

93. Giant left-wing conspiracy.

Can't believe people would pick on this God-fearing, honest man.

[stepnw1f]

97. Shame on Our Legal System

Pesky "Checks and Balances"!

[Halliburton]

95. fireworks!

[tigersumtin]

96. there is purple in TEXAS.

soon to turn blue... Thanks Ronnie. Rock On.:-)

[mattomjoe]

98. In the words of Stimpy the cat:

HAPPY! HAPPY! HAPPY!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

JOY! JOY! JOY!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Tommy_J]

99. HAhaha whew ....kicking

[Media_Lies_Daily]

111. The charge this time is "money-laundering"....woohoo!! :-)

[HughMoran]

117. I like the sound of that...

[Devra]

113. yahoo

[enid602]

120. Delay

I'm surprised that Delay has so much time available for TV interviews, given his legal dance card these days.

[Sparkman]

123. Another link...4:15 pm pst

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo/story.asp?guid={7CF20ECF-BF0E-4EF5-AD43-39060559D65C}&siteid=myyahoo&dist=myyahoo

[DemGirl7]

125. SUPER WICKED SWEET!!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[Ksec]

127. Life is good

And Karma is real

[Lone_Star_Dem]

128. Hammer the Bugman... *squish*

This is really getting good!

Happy Dance! ~~~~~

[KingFlorez]

130. I'm dancin' again

This is just too funny!

[bklyncowgirl]

136. YeeeeHaiii! It's nail the Hammer time!

I love it. He complained that they got him for conspiracy so they went back and got him on money laundering as well.

Sweet!

[Just Me]

138. SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE, SUR-PRISE!!!!

Not.

Slow in production, but not a surprise.

[Pachamama]

142. That article says that the Judge who will preside over the Trial is out of

the country...

Sure hope he/she stays away from small aircraft! :scared:

Seriously though, this is huge! Did ya'll see the penalty - up to life in prison!

Mr. Delay is most likely not sleeping to well these days...and to think that this doesn't even include yet what may be still coming down the pike related to Mr. Abramoff....