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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:56 PM
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Opinions on 'Victims of Communism Memorial'?
October 07, 2005
'Victims of Communism Memorial' to be built in DC

A 90-square-foot memorial honoring the victims of communist regimes is in the works and is to be erected on National Park Service lands within view of the capitol in DC:

The 90-square-foot monument would be built on National Park Service land one block west of the Capitol. A central feature will be a bronze Goddess of Democracy statue similar to the papier-mache and Styrofoam statue erected by pro-democracy students in Beijing's Tiananmen Square during 1989 demonstrations.

The reasoning behind its location:

"Its location, with views of the U.S. Capitol, a world-renowned symbol of democracy, is an appropriate setting in which to remember the victims of tyranny," said John V. Cogbill, chairman of the federal agency that oversees planning in the District of Columbia and nearby Maryland and Virginia suburbs.

http://www.meateatingleftist.com/mt/archives/2005/10/victims_of_comm.php
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:00 PM
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1. Is there enough free acreage in DC to put up a memorial to all victims
of all tyranny? I think that is one stupid idea. How about a memorial to peace. I don't remember ever seeing on of them. Isn't that what governments are for? Isn't that what Christians and Muslims are supposidly praying for for thousands of years? Let me guess - Halliburton is getting the contract?
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:00 PM
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2. Isn't this being sponsered by right wing groups who supported
fascist dictatorships in south america during the Reagan years and probably before and after? selective "memorializing" to promote a political agenda if you ask me..
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:01 PM
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3. Hopefully they include all the workers in America whose jobs were
sent to China? I think they are victims of communism?
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:18 PM
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9. LoL that would be funny if it weren't sadly true.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:19 PM
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10. No, they're the collateral damage of Capitalism.
How ridiculous, a "victims of communism" monument. What about a "victims of the Janjawid" memorial? We could even intervene there, albeit belatedly, and perhaps save some of those soon to be victims.

Perhaps we can build them a nice monument too someday.
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:04 PM
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4. Godess of Democracy
to be replica of Ayn Rand, perhaps? Holding a copy of "The Flat Earth" tome on her shoulder?
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:05 PM
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5. Why not? Communism killed tens of millions.
Communism. Fascism. Naziism. Fundamentalism. All these isms are dangerous.

:hippie:



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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:13 PM
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6. The names of the students murdered in Tiananmen Square
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 05:14 PM by McKenzie
crushed by tanks during a peaceful protest, should go on the monument if it is erected.

oh...I forgot...the west trades with China, that beacon of democracy and supporter of human rights (and despoiler of the beautiful Tibetan people).

Just after it happened I spoke to a group of Chinese students in Dundee. They were standing silently in protest. No shouting, no banging of drums, just dignified grief.

If any names should go on that memorial, and I'm not sure what I think about it, they should include the names of those Chinese teenagers who were murdered.

<edit>grammar

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:18 PM
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7. It's odd...
How a monument like this will be built while China controls most of our debt and we reap the benefits of their slave labour economy. A confused message, no?
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:18 PM
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8. How about Victims of Capitalism?
You couldn't count the dead.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:24 PM
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11. I'm sure you'll have one that will look just as impressive
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 05:27 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
for the immensely more numerous victims of capitalism, one day. Funny, how the far right still think they're going to have the last word!

It reminds me of the saying, "If you want to make God laugh, just tell him what you're going to do tomorrow." Also, "The best-laid plans of mice and men...." And we know which of these two, those chicken hawks are!
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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:06 PM
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12. It still strikes me as odd
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 06:30 PM by mokawanis
I'm not a big fan of memorials in general but this one struck me as odd. While communism has certainly claimed countless victims, so have capitalism and corporations, fascism and tyranny the world over. How do you build a memorial to all that, and how do you in good conscience leave out references to America's ill-advised (putting it gently) excursions over the span of years? Given its planned location, I can't help but imagine myself standing at the new memorial and looking around DC, thinking about all the innocent people who have suffered at the hands of any and all governments, including my own.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:19 PM
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13. Precisely.
I would impose an exclusion zone, ten-miles in diameter, around the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday for all parliamentarians, even if they'd fought in the wars concerned, themselves.
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