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YEM Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:08 PM
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Colin Powell singing from day one?
I think he has and I think he was Novaks first source. He is central to all of this!
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:12 PM
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1. Yes, I think he has and I think it happened around the time he was
on Meet The Press. I believe he was live from Egypt? He scolded somebody named Emily who was off-camera and trying to stop the interview. He said "Emily get out of the way" and insisted the camera be turned back on him to answer the question.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:13 PM
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3. Could be
Powell isn't so innocent as people like to think. I even used to think so until I got into researching him. Maybe he's trying to save his ass.
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YEM Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:15 PM
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5. I don't think it's about saving his ass.
I think it's about sticking to this administration. He claims the UN speech was the lowest point of his life.
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YEM Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:13 PM
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4. People seem to forget about Powell in this.
He wants to fix his mistake.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:23 PM
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11. I think you are right, Yem. He's regretful of joining the repukes,
maybe noe he wishes that he had disappeared into the crowd of black Democrats instead of being a "stand-out" in the repuke party.

Maybe he's tallied up all the American and Iraqi lives lost because of the lies he was persuaded to tell.

Maybe he feels he will be able to look at himself in the mirror if he takes those pigs in the White House DOWN!

Maybe he's decided he wants to be remembered as being several steps above Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice on the "Afican-Americans with Integrity and Dignity" list.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:35 PM
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16. I agree that was the moment Colin wasn't playing with Bush
anymore!!! He knew that he was being set up as the fall guy!!! He didn't appreciate it either plus he was getting kicked out!!!

They had a watchdog on him thing is he was in the middle of everything!!!
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:47 PM
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18. according to this link, he was speaking from 'a resort' in Jordan
... which, at the time, I thought special since our troops were in a Bu$h-declared 'war zone' and Colin is tucked safe away at a resort ...


Monday, May 17, 2004; Page C04


A State Department staffer tried to pull the plug on Tim Russert yesterday.

Toward the end of a "Meet the Press" interview with Secretary of State Colin Powell in Jordan, the camera suddenly moved off Powell to a shot of trees in front of the water.

"You're off," State Department press aide Emily Miller was heard saying.

"I am not off," Powell insisted.

"No, they can't use it, they're editing it," Miller said.

"He's still asking the questions," Powell said.

Miller, a onetime NBC staffer who recently worked for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, also told Powell: "He was going to go for another five minutes."

Undeterred, Russert complained from Washington: "I would hope they would put you back on camera. I don't know who did that." He later said, "I think that was one of your staff, Mr. Secretary. I don't think that's appropriate."

As the delay dragged on, Powell ordered: "Emily, get out of the way. Bring the camera back please." Powell's image returned to the screen, and Russert asked his last question.

What happened was that both NBC and Fox News were using Jordanian television facilities for back-to-back Powell interviews. Russert was allotted 10 minutes and was asked to wrap when he went over by about two minutes. He said "Finally, Mr. Secretary," but abruptly lost his guest.

Russert was still puzzled afterward. "A taxpayer-paid employee interrupted an interview," he said. "Not in the United States of America, that's not supposed to go on. This is attempted news management gone berserk. Secretary Powell was really stand-up. He was a general and took charge." Powell later called the NBC anchor from his plane to apologize for the glitch.

~snip~



http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A31989-2004May16?language=printer


Russert: Finally, Mr. Secretary, in February of 2003, you placed your enormous personal credibility before the United Nations and laid out a case against Saddam Hussein citing...

Powell: Not off.

Emily: No. They can't use it. They're editing it. They (unintelligible).

Powell: He's still asking me questions. Tim.

Emily: He was not...

Powell: Tim, I'm sorry, I lost you.

Russert: I'm right here, Mr. Secretary. I would hope they would put you back on camera. I don't know who did that.

Powell: We really...

Russert: I think that was one of your staff, Mr. Secretary. I don't think that's appropriate.

Powell: Emily, get out of the way.

Emily: OK.

Powell: Bring the camera back, please. I think we're back on, Tim. Go ahead with your last question.

Russert: Thank you very much, sir. In February of 2003, you put your enormous personal reputation on the line before the United Nations and said that you had solid sources for the case against Saddam Hussein. It now appears that an agent called Curveball had misled the CIA by suggesting that Saddam had trucks and trains that were delivering biological and chemical weapons. How concerned are you that some of the information you shared with the world is now inaccurate and discredited?

Powell: I'm very concerned. When I made that presentation in February 2003, it was based on the best information that the Central Intelligence Agency made available to me. We studied it carefully; we looked at the sourcing in the case of the mobile trucks and trains. There was multiple sourcing for that. Unfortunately, that multiple sourcing over time has turned out to be not accurate. And so I'm deeply disappointed. But I'm also comfortable that at the time that I made the presentation, it reflected the collective judgment, the sound judgment of the intelligence community. But it turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong and in some cases, deliberately misleading. And for that, I am disappointed and I regret it.

~snip~

http://sadparade.typepad.com/sad_parade/iraq_how_did_we_get_into_this_mess/
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:55 PM
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19. Here is a link to that story:
"NBC identified the aide as Emily Miller, a deputy press secretary.

Russert responded: “I don’t know who did that. I think that was one of your staff, Mr. Secretary.” The host added: “I don’t think that’s appropriate.”

With the cameras still on the water, Powell snapped, “Emily get out of the way.” He then instructed the crew to “bring the camera back,” and told Russert to go ahead with the last question.

After Powell answered, Russert thanked the secretary for his “willingness to overrule his press aide’s attempt to abruptly cut off our discussion.”"

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4992866/

The date of that article is May 16, 2004. That is the approximate time I think that Powell turned. And the WH sent Emily Miller to make sure he didn't say anything on his way out the door. Powell officially left in Nov 2004.


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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:01 PM
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24. That appearance is #7 on KO's list of the Nexus of Politics and Terror
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:01 PM by Patsy Stone
"Number Seven:

May 16th, 2004. Secretary of State Powell appears on “Meet The Press.” Moderator Tim Russert closes by asking him about the “enormous personal credibility” Powell had placed before the U.N. in laying out a case against Saddam Hussein. An aide to Powell interrupts the question, saying the interview is over. Powell finishes his answer, admitting that much of the information he had been given about Weapons of Mass Destruction was “inaccurate and wrong, and, in some cases, deliberately misleading.”

May 21st, 2004, new photos showing mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib Prison are released. On the 24th - Associated Press video from Iraq confirms U.S. forces mistakenly bombed a wedding party - killing more than 40.

Wednesday the 26th. Two days later, Attorney General Ashcroft and FBI Director Mueller warn that intelligence from multiple sources, in Ashcroft’s words, “indicates Al-Qaeda’s specific intention to hit the United States hard,” and that “90 percent of the arrangements for an attack on the United States were complete.” The color-coded warning system is not raised, and Homeland Security Secretary Ridge does not attend the announcement."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9665308/#051012a
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:49 PM
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29. Well, well, well. Nice to see you Pats!
Sweety darling, it seems like ages since we've run into each other on these boards.

Hope the bubbly has been flowing and life is good.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:56 PM
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30. It's all good, thanks.
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:56 PM by Patsy Stone
Hope the same goes for you. It has been a while. I've been reading but not posting too much until recently, but you can always find some of the usual suspects here during KO time:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=315

How could I resist devouring all this delicious information, watching the fall and rolling in the schadenfreunde?

Nice to see you, too! Clinky!


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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:13 PM
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2. Do you really think so?
He's tough military. I imagine he would have a strong sense of duty and chain of command. Do you think that singing would be in his make-up?
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:15 PM
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6. If he felt our country was in danger - YES!
I think Powell of all of the original bunch is the only one who feels remorse over lying at the UN, for instance.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:20 PM
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10. You are correct about his remorse.
But he would have to consider the nation in grave danger.

If it *is* Powell, this whole administration is going to go down in flames, faster than you can say, "It's hard work!"
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:35 PM
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17. yes, I think he would sing - had probs w/bush/cheney fr day 1
cheney and colin never liked each other-never got on in Desert Storm
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:15 PM
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7. People seem to think that Powell has integrity
I don't. He ate these lies for years without as much as an objection. I would be surprised if he was helping the investigation.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:20 PM
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9. Yeah, he *is* tainted
At first I was going to type "scum" but relented. Ah, heck, he's scum.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:23 PM
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13. Actually, he might "cooperate" in order to redeem his
reputation, which was severely harmed by the UN speech in which he spouted all that completely false information that the chickenhawks fed him.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:00 PM
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21. I agree. Powell's been running cover-ups for this group for years.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:18 PM
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8. Here is the one thing about Powell, i've thought maybe he was
the original source but he never really seemed on board with the war, i'm defending him at all but i'm just saying. I think the original source was someone in that WHIG circle.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:23 PM
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12. What was that story I read about Powell throwing a speech in the air...
and saying "I'm not reading this bullshit!"

but, oh- right- he turned right around and read it before the UN...

Colon Bowell...
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:26 PM
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14. Being a Good Lil' Soldier means many things
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 07:45 PM by NanceGreggs
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Powell has been leading this investigation in all of the RIGHT (pun definitely intended) directions.

He has said that his UN presentation was the lowest point of his career.

He was left hanging by this Admin by being their errand boy, armed with a pack of lies.

He IS a soldier first, and he has had to watch fellow soldiers be wounded and killed due to poor planning, lack of body armour, etc.

And finally, even the most HONOURABLE man in the world isn't above some plain, old-fashioned REVENGE!!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:58 PM
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20. Colin was being set up as the fall guy!!! as a good Military man
he was suppose to fall on his sword!!! But a good military man thinks on his feet and fights back!!!
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:32 PM
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15. Raw Story's Tease headline
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS TO REPORT THAT SOURCES BELIEVE SOMEONE HAS FLIPPED IN WHITE HOUSE, AIDING LEAK INVESTIGATION.... DEVELOPING...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:16 PM
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22. Wrong guy. The Colin Powell I know doesn't have the guts to dis his masters
Better look elsewhere. I think it might be Mary Matalin. She quit working for Cheney about the same time this all blew up.

Don

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:13 PM
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26. Novak....from the get go?
:shrug:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:55 PM
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23. He's always been able to tra la la on demand. This is his new tune.
I think I like it. Sort of like Wagner meets Bruce Springsteen.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:05 PM
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25. Kids, that's 2 public confessions in one day. I think they're scared.
:scared:
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patrioticliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:14 PM
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27. Well he did sing YMCA lol
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:19 PM
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28. Nah
Powell's a loyalty guy, not a constitution guy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:56 PM
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31. It could explain his appearance on Larry King tonight.
hmmm
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