New Downing Street Memo

[Patchuli]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article319993.ece

This was stupid of * and Poodle, really really stupid.

[Peachhead22]

1. Wow!

Stick a fork in *. He's done.

[bullimiami]

2. whats the difference between planned war and premeditated murder?

the scale.
bush is an amoral evil monster, not just some stupid passive dupe.

[niallmac]

3. I would dearly love to see this bunch in a world court. n/t

[existentialist]

20. Ironic isn't it?

* frames his rhetoric in terms of good and evil, but when most of the world thinks of him one of the first terms that comes to mind to describe him is "evil."

[Carolab]

4. No S**T, Sherlock.

"An alternative view is that the mention of Saudi Arabia indicates that the true objectives were not related exclusively to WMD."

P.S.

PNAC: Look into it.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,905990,00.html

[glitch]

8. A couple of years ago Blair said PNAC was an internet conspiracy theory

when asked about it by a reporter. Either he's incredibly dim-witted or a bald-faced liar. Well, or both of course.
Either way, I wonder how he would respond to the same question today.

[EuroObserver]

59. He is an extremely bare-faced liar.

And normally not-so-stupid either.

[stop the bleeding]

75. their all a bunch of dim witted bald face liars. N/T

[Patchuli]

26. I know of PNAC

thanks. I think that we have a friend in British intelligence and Americans and British citizens need to know the imperialist aspirations going on here.

No shit, indeed.

[Carolab]

29. Not you, Patchuli. Mr. Phillippe Sands QC, author of the quote. n/t

[Patchuli]

36. Oh sorry!

I was like "hey don't shoot the messenger!"

The sad thing is that none of this is surprising with these racist bastards...

[Amonester]

38. Of course Tony Woof-Woof knows, he's always wanted to become

... a very wealthy rock star all his life. No luck though, he never could sing anything close to "Taking Care Of Business" in tune... But he still plans to become extremely wealthy (at the expense of everybody he can take advantage of...

21 August 2005
IS BLAIR OFF TO JOIN $30BN WORLD ELITE?
HE'S EYEING UP £250K JOB WITH ARMS TRADE LINK FIRM
Exclusive By Rupert Hamer

TONY Blair is expected to join one of the most exclusive groups of businessmen in the world after he leaves Downing Street.

The PM is being lined up for a highly lucrative position with the Carlyle Group - an American-based investment giant with strong links to the White House and the defence industry.

...

Mr Blair has been keeping quiet about his plans after his departure from Number 10 - which could be as early as 2007 according to some Labour insiders.

...

The job could net Mr Blair up to £500,000 a year for only a few days work a month giving speeches and making "networking" trips on behalf of the company.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=15880889%26method=full%26siteid=62484-name_page.html

Hey! What's the use of being "religious" if the poodle can't become that rich so easily? Tony poodle is in "on the payroll" for sure. :grr:

[KingFlorez]

5. He's crazy

This idiot could get us all killed with his shenanigans.

[notadmblnd]

6. Fits in with what condesleeza said Sunday

about making a choice to fight the taliban or the "broader" war on terror.

[existentialist]

22. Do you suppose he could manage to make the entire world our enemies?

("Bring 'em on!")

("Deutschland uber alles!")

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. The sheer audacity of these people is beyond belief....

...this is going to hurt the U. S., big-time. The Saudis will not react well to this...and neither will the rest of OPEC.

[mzmolly]

9. !

[progressoid]

14. !!

[nashville_brook]

10. there's so much in that -- why not go after saudi in the first place?

since it was saudis on the planes?

[klebean]

11. talking out of both sides of his mouth

what say you prince Bandar?

[helderheid]

12. congrats on a title that works. I tried posting this 3 times.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5081083

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5075460

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5071364

[helderheid]

33. no really

[femrap]

35. Well....I am glad everyone was persistent!

This needs to be out there...people need to know.

I just hope the world realizes that most Americans hate W and his wars.

nominated.

[slipslidingaway]

13. !

[lovuian]

15. Saudi Arabia is definitely involved here!!!

being played and playing with Bush is a dangerous game!!!

[oldlady]

16. wonder how the stock market will fare

in the next few days...since Saudi's own so much of our butts. Free Market World Dominionist Whores...I'm leaving my children a fourth world country.

[FreedomAngel82]

30. Yep

Don't they own like 7% of the economy? They own a lot of stock I know with American corporations such as AOLTimeWarner and Fox and CNN etc.

[chat_noir]

17. ok, ok, I know it's Lyndon LaRouche, but....

Increasingly, the fate of the United States and the world, as Lyndon LaRouche has emphasized, hangs on the Cheney question. If Cheney has his way, the United States will launch a new string of insane "regime change" wars in Southwest Asia , throwing the entire world situation into chaos, characterized by $150 barrels of oil, global asymmetrical warfare, and new moves for domestic dictatorship in America.

If, on the other hand, Cheney is ousted from office—in the immediate days ahead—the opportunity will be there for a dramatic turn-about in American policy, a turn-about that would be greeted enthusiastically by much of the world.


http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3241cheney_plots_war.html


...but is he wrong?

[WilliamPitt]

18. The Men From JINSA and CSP

The Men From JINSA and CSP
Jason Vest

August 15, 2002 <------ !!!!!! --------

(snip)

For example, the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board--chaired by JINSA/CSP adviser and former Reagan Administration Defense Department official Richard Perle, and stacked with advisers from both groups--recently made news by listening to a briefing that cast Saudi Arabia as an enemy to be brought to heel through a number of potential mechanisms, many of which mirror JINSA's recommendations, and which reflect the JINSA/CSP crowd's preoccupation with Egypt. (The final slide of the Defense Policy Board presentation proposed that "Grand Strategy for the Middle East" should concentrate on "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot (and) Egypt as the prize.")

Ledeen has been leading the charge for regime change in Iran, while old comrades like Andrew Marshall and Harold Rhode in the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment actively tinker with ways to re-engineer both the Iranian and Saudi governments. JINSA is also cheering the US military on as it tries to secure basing rights in the strategic Red Sea country of Eritrea, happily failing to mention that the once-promising secular regime of President Isaiais Afewerki continues to slide into the kind of repressive authoritarianism practiced by the "axis of evil" and its adjuncts.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020902/vest

[symbolman]

52. Gee, what a coincidence..

Ledeen and Harold Rhode BOTH attended the Dec 2001 Meeting in Rome, along with Feith, Franklin, the Italian head of their CIA SISMI, and a KNOWN FORGER, Rhode/Ledeen are BOTH pals with Chabalia (as is Miller, and I guess Bush and Cheney til he stabbed them in the back as they were asking for a reacharound, so they kicked his ass to the curb)..

Ledeen is ROVE'S Assistant or was then, and in my film ("Rove's War") I make the connection that it was THEN that the Niger documents were created for use, or planned for use, and that Rove basically had "plumbers" - maybe one of Ledeen's criminal pals, like the forger - who broke into the Niger Embassy in Rome just about the time in 2000 that Bush was being sworn in..

Remember, Rove back in the early days as a young Republican, broke into Dixon's office in Chicago and STOLE LETTERHEADS which he used to create invitations for FREE BEER and a FUN TIME and then handed them out in the Red light district of Chicago, and the soup kitchens..

After researching Rove and some of these henchmen for a year I've come to realise that Rove is a one trick pony, he pulls the same stunts over and over (as insane people do) only each time he gains MORE POWER and then uses THAT Power to make the stunts more grandiose..

So Rove's "plumbers" steal the letterheads in 2000, meet with a forger in Dec of 2001 and months later the forgeries surface predated back to 2000 - but the CIA isn't interested in them, and of course Cheney's office doesn't know anything but somehow Wilson gets sent to Niger, and for a year HIS FINDINGS (backed up by TWO more of the Right Wing's people in Africa) get lost..

They ALL knew, THEY DID IT. I KNOW, and so can you - watch my film, it's all there, all of it.. and it all fits.

I'm ready to contact Fitz's office since according to the media they have NONE of the facts right. NONE.

But like I said,once again what a coincidence, Ledeen and Rhode. and both of them NUTTIER than a fruitcake..

Rhode has been known to tell anyone of Arab descent (and I mean RULERS) to "Sit DOwn and SHUT UP, YOUR days are OVER.."

What a sweet bunch of guys - I hope Fitz catches them and hands them all over to a highly testosteroned person who eats fetuses and gunpowder is very much a large male in all dimensions and enjoys the death wiggle while orgasming..

But of course if any of these guys are indicted they'll create a Tennis Club so they can all write their books while dining on Sea Bass for 4 months..

Better yet (and don't you DARE steal this idea Will :) ) since it seems most of the right wingers are being indicted, jailed, etc that Congress passes the "Federal Congressmen's Work Release Act".. since there will be a Constitutional Crisis if we don't allow ALL THOSE MEMBERS IN JAIL to come to Congress and work each day, then go back to their cells at night :)

And no Conjugal sex, Only with lobbyists..

Takebackthemedia.com has the film, a complete chronology of the Plame Outing.

[Joanne98]

73. I never understand why Egypt is the prize?

[jsamuel]

19. geez

[ShockediSay]

21. Fits in w/ what Strategic Forecasting LLC (you know who you are)

Fits in w/ what Strategic Forecasting LLC published in 2002.

www.stratfor.com

is some kind of right wing globalism/militaristic private intel network.

In 2002 stratfor.com published for the benefit of its clients a series of memos entitled "War in Iraq:" including the "War after Iraq;" "What's at Stake for China;" and "What's at Stake for Europe."

Sure looked to me like a step by step blueprint for world domination.

[NashVegas]

23. The Only Surprise Here

Is that Saudi Arabia was named.

"Keep your friends close ..."

Or is it a favor returned to Osama?

[pansypoo53219]

24. what

the fuck were they smoking???

[malaise]

57. The Crusades are back

Intelligent people understood what was going on ages ago. War criminals now rule this planet.

[radwriter0555]

25. I say BULLSHIT. This was never, ever, ever, ever, ever EVER ABOUT WMDS.

EVER.

This was always, first and foremost about looting, pillaging, profit and greed cloaked in this BULLSHIT WMD conspiracy theory.

See that? WMDs are the CONSPIRACY theory.

this is a bogus doc spun to confuse the REAL downing street memo, but it's a LOT too late.

[Patchuli]

34. Just reporting what I hear

but it all fits in with the PNAC.

[radwriter0555]

37. Sure, it fits in with the LIES from the PNAC. Come on, we all know this

was never about protecting the USA or any other nation. This was always about profit and greed. This story merely underscores the pattern of lies and deceit.

I'm not saying you're believing it, I hope you aren't... anyone who understands one iota about the PNAC knows these are all just oil and business men in the business of exploiting the US government for greed and profit at the expense of any humans who happen to get in their way. These people haven't any conscience at all...

[politick]

27. Oh well

that's reported by a liberal newspaper froma liberal country full of liberal liberalities based upon a liberal memo published on liberal paper and leaked liberally by a liberalheaded liberal... liberal.

LIBERALS!

[FreedomAngel82]

28. Saudi Arabia???

Aren't the Bush family very good friends with the Saudi's? And Poppy goes over there a lot on business trips.

[Carolab]

39. Yeah, and do you think they like it that the Saudis call the shots?

Just cuz they've had control of all the oil?

[gordianot]

31. I wonder what Blair really thinks?

Someone in his intelligence services (or others in Europe) surely has a dossier and analysis of how really dangerous and how much a threat Bush represents.

As dogs go Poodles have some intelligence and Bush is rabid.

[Ouabache]

44. I have wondered this all along

Is Britain being part of the coalition, just a cover for their MI5 and MI6 to gather intel on the B* modus operandi. I have always thought it could be. Face it, everything they have learned about us* from being a partner could be used against us*.

[Roland99]

32. The Propagandist has been kissing Saudi ass since.

Maybe word got to Bandar Bush and the Propagandist has had to make up for it since (look at the waiver Saudi Arabia got re: human trafficking and child-sex rings and a few days later the $2 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia.)

[oregonindy]

40. angrier and louder the general populace becomes..........

with each new revelation from the culture of corruption the tidal wave of dissent grows and when it hits its going to wipe away our current way of being like it was a house made of matchsticks

[Uncle Bob]

54. Don't bet on it, except if you really get off on loosing...

You people are so brainwashed you'll never reach a "revelation", unless you are talking about some religious shit that Fat Robertson is vomiting on TV...

With your record of "abuses" the "tidal wave" would've reached the asteroid belt by now... Unfortunately far too few people give a flyin' f-k over there to do anything...

[SillyGoose]

63. "You people"?

[raccoon]

65. I was wondering the same thing as SillyGoose,

Whatdya mean, "you people?" Are you a foreigner or a freeper?

I tried to check your profile but it's disabled.

[symbolman]

66. I think the operative word in this babble

is Loosing..

I'm Series1111

[bobbieinok]

69. you have NO PROFILE

[WillyT]

41. Whoa... Thanks Patchuli !!!

Cripes!

:wtf:

[Patchuli]

42. Thanks to Truthout and Will!

We love you guys, that's why we send you a little $ every month! You get the truth OUT!!!

Truthout and Democratic Underground! :patriot: :patriot:

[LonelyLRLiberal]

43. Tell me it ain't so!

Okay, I admit I knew the bastard was crazy, but openly discussing his real goals is batty.

[Whoa_Nelly]

45. Have said it before and will say it again

When I saw Blair at Camp David with * shortly after the 2001 Inaugural, and they we're taped being very chummy, I was wondering WTF is Blair doing at Camp David...it looked like the two were in cahoots then.

Would not be the least surprised is that was the time * was following through for his PNAC handlers to start brining Blair into the fold.

[chknltl]

46. A 2nd hurray for Truthout.

Add Media Matters to Truthout and the Democratic Underground and I feel one has a solid access to American History as it unfolds daily.
Back on topic: (sort of on topic): I wonder how long it will be before condi rice announces that there is an immense Venezuelan supported al-quida(sp?) cell which is developing WMDs and training terrorists out in the jungles of all of the oil producing nations of South America? (Perhaps blair has a memo on this somewhere).

[Kurovski]

47. Kick--n/t

[spuddonna]

48. JMJ, talk about 'showing your hand'...

Bush: "Tony? You there, Tony? Hey! It's good to talk to you again! I just got back from the ranch and wanted to call you. Like I was sayin' the last call, we're gonna invade Iraq, but we wanna go beyond Iraq. We're gonna invade Saudia Arabia next, Tony! Hey, can I call you Blair-sey? I like nicknames because I forget... peoples. Peoples that want to be free and their, uh... Harriet, who's this that called me here, darlin'?"

Bush's such an idiot, he's re-defined the very meaning of the word... :grr:

[crispini]

49. Ho-lee crap!

This stuff just gets harder to believe every day.

[nolabels]

62. What's so hard to believe? That they were making plans or.............

that it got out. Now that many know them plans are a failure they are being revealed. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of other countries in the Arab world covertly start supporting the the countrymen of Iraq (who are called Insurgents by the world corporate news media). Probably the same thing the other king George called us over two hundred years ago.

oh, gee, wow, George is failure, who knew :crazy:

[annabanana]

50. How much of an online push

would it take to get corpomedia to cover THIS one!
- whew -

[helderheid]

51. kick

[Uncle Bob]

53. Shoking... Not that we didn't know that already...

"And, in other news, the Earth is round and revolves around the Sun. Eat your ass, Ratzlinger!"

Bahw! This makes me even more angry. People that count already know it. The others will just say it's some geeky, lefty conspiracy theory... stuff...

It's rather pointless.

Have a civil war already so we can all sleep well!

[dalloway]

55. important stuff! Recommended

[cassiepriam]

56. Bush is insane.

[Just Me]

58. DUH!!! We knew this plan for global domination years ago!!!!

Why is it taking people so freakin' long to GET IT!?!?!?!

And, "Noooo", BushCo isn't going to target either Saudi Arabia or Pakistan because they are economically cooperative. They aren't going to go after NK, either, because that nation doesn't really have anything lucrative to offer, except maybe some shadow of legitimacy re WMDS. But, this plan really has absolutely NOTHING to do with WMD proliferation and everything to do with corporacratic global power.

That leaves Syria and Iran as the geo-econo-politico strategic targets.

These crazy MO FOs should be imprisoned for their conspiracies to deceive the American people into illegal warring that may very well incite a world war. :grr:

[EuroObserver]

60. Don't forget West Africa

From Morocco down, especially the Gulf of Guinea region.

Apart from Nigeria, small dictatorial and client states such as Ecuatorial Guinea (Capital Bamako on offshore island - covers a lot of water).

Domination preferably through cronyism and placemen - but of course military if considered necessary.

Some 25% of US oil/gas imports expected soon to be flowing from there.

Sorry no time to look for links just now...

ed: see 'Greater Middle East' strategy.

[leesa]

61. Excellent! I LOVE that he wanted to go after his best friends in SA, now

they may be inclined to spill the beans on who really did 9-11.

[npincus]

64. thank G-d for the Internets!

[Uncle Joe]

71. Democratized information! That is the way to go! n/t

[sonias]

67. W is a warmongering A-hole

And Blair is his side kick murdering accomplice. They both deserve to go straight to hell.

Sonia

[Joanne98]

74. Google asshole then click feeling lucky.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

68. UPI picked it up

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20051018/NEWS/51018017/1117/news

Only 16 sources show up online as of today.

[Lex]

70. Excellent.

Hope it snowballs into a big story in the Mainstream News.

[Gronk Groks]

72. This is flying around the world...

...check Google. The following sites are reporting this:

Aljazeera Middle East
Calcutta India
Hindu India
Peace Journal Nepal
Matha Net Africa

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan CANNOT be happy about this. Oil Embargo anyone???

[AuntiBush]

76. I Dunno.

Some "things" not right about this story. First warning: the mention of Saudi Arabia... yeah, right. Think of *, Sr. and their warm-fuzzy friendship.

Seems odd at this moment in time.

Has this story been added to http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/ ?

[Patchuli]

77. Posted by the Brit paper

Independent. Since it's a Brit memo, I assume they didn't make it up. Perhaps the afterdowningstreet.org folks should check on it.

It does sound right to me...these RW fascists do not like anyone lording it over them, especially the oil rich Saudis. Just because Pappy's close to them doesn't mean Junior isn't stupid enough to do something. You will remember that Pappy was smart enough not to go after Saddam, something that Junior couldn't wait to do. Now we all know that Pappy was lots smarter than Junior...