1 out of 8 Iraqis have a relative murdered or tortured by Saddam!

[leftchick]

omg... someone save me! I am out of state at my Mom's, helping out her and Dad. I am listening to Fox News 24/7 here and do believe I am going to lose my mind.

Right now they are talking about saddam and the exaggeration and lies are just fucking amazing. There is a guy with this web site on hawking his book...

http://iraqitruthproject.com/




The faux people are gearing up for the Saddam trial in a big way. Perhaps they feel that will finally be their chimperor's salvation?

[acmavm]

1. What's the stats on the number of Iraqis that have been killed by the

bush** administration?

[malmapus]

10. Was just thinking of this the other day

Not just George Jr., but his dad is responsible for quite a number of Iraqi's killed. Wonder what the tally is of the Bush family as opposed to the Husseins.

[GAlanJag]

20. While I can agree on juniors' responsibility . . .

his father was merely leading a truly world coalition to throw Saddam's army out of a country they invaded. Any deaths from the first Gulf War are on the hands of Saddam.

[lectrobyte]

24. One could argue that Baker/Glaspie green-lighted the Iraqi

invasion of Kuwait. The Iraqi claims then of slant drilling from Kuwait into Iraqi oil fields seems at least as credible as our claims of WMDs, perhaps even more so...

[LynnTheDem]

27. Speaking of...in summer 2003 bushCartel warned Kuwait to STOP

slant-drilling Iraq's oil or by gawd there'd be hell to pay!

Heh. Damn I wish we had a real media.

[lectrobyte]

30. I'd never heard that, but it wouldn't surprise me given that * was

telling them not to destroy the oil production capability.

[LynnTheDem]

26. Gee how quickly people forget the LIES that got us into the Gulf War.

Forgot already?

By the way, go look up "Basra Highway Massacre" and read Frontline's expose on the multitude of war crimes the US committed in the Gulf War. Lemme know if you need links.

[malmapus]

33. Wasn't thinking just the Gulf War either but the aftermath

George Sr. telling the Shite to raise against Saddam and they would have full US backing, then when they did we did nothing and let Saddam put them down.

Then the whole sanctions that we put on Iraq to punish Saddam , but instead ended up punishing the Iraqi population.


The Husseins were brutal, but body count to body count would be interested to see how the Bush clan stands up.

[newyawker99]

41. Hi GAlanJag!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[GAlanJag]

45. Thanks for the kind welcome

I look forward to some eye opening discussion and perhaps a good natured debate from time to time.:think:

[mike_c]

2. anything for a distraction....

I wonder what they'll do during dubya's trial?

[johnludi]

14. The Trial

Sadly, dubya will never have a trial...he could eat a living baby on live TV while burning the original copy of the constitution and he would never have a trial. We just don't live in that kind of world...unfortunately.

[newyawker99]

42. Hi johnludi!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[kikiek]

3. Did they give stats for those tortured or murdered by Bush?

[leftchick]

4. exactly what I was thinking!

God, I hope I get home before my brain turns to mush listening to this shit!

[kikiek]

6. Get home please! We can't afford to lose your brain to mush!

[LaurenG]

5. That was my question

how many people in the world have been tortured or killed due to his lies, policies, screw ups and mal-appointments?

[unrepuke]

12. ...and wedding bombing, and bombing with "surgical precision", and...

Abu Ghraib, and Gitmo, and . . . New Orleans and Pakistan by apathetic omission. . .


and the ones we don't hear about. The ones they AREN'T proud of.

[Missy M]

7. Where did this guy get his statistics, straight from Karl Rove?

[Junkdrawer]

8. "...and many using the weapons Rumsfeld sold him"...

That always shuts them up.

Saddam was a bad guy. The CIA installed his Baath party in 1963 and, after he took over in 1979, the Reagan administration supported him and sold him chemical weapons. It wasn't until he invaded Kuwait that the Bush I administration decided he was a bad guy.

I think Saddam should fry. But first, he should talk.

[rodeodance]

9. that number does not seem unreasonable. This does not justify invading

irag as we did.

[ComerPerro]

13. Exactly. If this administration were so hell bent on preventing genocide

and war crimes, why the hell haven't they taken action anywhere else in the world?

And I'm not just talking about military action.

Why haven't they even made some diplomatic efforts?

EDIT: Duh, wait. Answered my own question. They can't take military action because Bush already stretched the troops too thin (we can't get Osama, still) and we can't take a diplomatic method because the Administration doesn't believe in diplomacy. My bad.

[ComerPerro]

11. This guy has a book on Saddam's murderous regime?

Wonder if he discusses the 80's when Saddam committed a lot of these horrible killings?

And I wonder if he will discuss who funded and supported Saddam's regime?

[leftchick]

15. I did not spend more than a minute at his web site

The photos of dead and maimed Iraqis could have been from the US invasion. He may have swiped them from some anti-war web site!

[ComerPerro]

16. I'm guessing hes just an opportunistic freak looking to profit

from the hype surrounding the war.

So he jumped on Google, found some pictures of dead Iraqi's, did about fifteen minutes of research, and wrote a book.

And Ann Coulter says its so hard to get published when you're conservative...

Pathetic...

[BikeWriter]

17. Reports that 400,000 bodies found were lies...

Reports that 400,000 bodies killed by Saddam had been found in Iraqi mass graves were lies! I'd been looking for this story again for about a year.

"British Prime Minister Tony Blair's office has admitted that repeated claims that 400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves were untrue, The Observer newspaper reported on Sunday.
According to the paper, only 5,000 corpses have been uncovered so far.
The claims by Blair last November and December were given widespread credence, quoted by British lawmakers and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves."
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-07/18/content_1611454.htm

How many Iraqis has bush killed? Nobody knows for sure. The toll is still mounting, but here are some partial accounts.

"The Iraqi Red Crescent, the Islamic version of the Red Cross, which is coordinating the exhumations, said 45 bodies had been recovered since vthe palace beside the Tigris river, now used as the coalition headquarters.
Nobody knows exactly how many Iraqis died in the war, but an Anglo-American research group, the Iraq Body Count, has estimated the number of civilian fatalities at between 6,000 and 7,800. The number of military casualties is between 10,000 and 45,000."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1021466,00.html

[LynnTheDem]

19. The Lancet says 100,000+ Iraqi civs killed by US/UK. bushCabal say

30,000 Iraqi troops killed by US/UK during the 6 weeks of illegal invasion. (estimate by General Tommy Franks)

100,000+ civs;
Iraq death toll 'soared post-war'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

There was another survey, done by an Iraqi group, that also came up with over 100,000 civilian deaths, hopefully someone has a link coz I can't remember where I put the article...

[BikeWriter]

22. I don't doubt the figures.

I felt it important to show the counts claimed for Saddam in the runup to the war were greatly overstated. I'm afraid he was the best man for the job of keeping the peace there.

[greygandalf]

28. Yes, arabs need to be ruled with an iron fist!

:eyes:
No, Saddam was a terrible ruler. The war was still wrong.

[BikeWriter]

31. He was a terrible ruler, but our's...

hasn't been able to replace him or keep order the way he did. An Irani style Islamic state seems almost a fait accompli.

[greygandalf]

32. You do understand how he kept "order"

People were living in fear of their neighbors. They could not say anything against the govt for fear one of their neighbors would report it. When no one criticises you it makes it alot easier to keep "order".

[BikeWriter]

35. ...and their dodging our bombs is any better?

[greygandalf]

37. Of course not.

I just don't like hearing that the Iraqis were living great lives under Saddam.

[BikeWriter]

39. I haven't seen that said here...

though many Iraqis have said they prefered him.

[ragin_acadian]

43. much like you probably won't like hearing that Cubans are living

better lives under Castro, than they were under the Batista regime.

here is a pretty good article from CNN on pre-Invasion Iraq conditions:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change/


last time I checked, the US wasn't getting any humanitarian awards for what we are doing over there.

[cantstandbush]

29. Just like the lies about the incubater babies.

Saddam was a dictator but not as bad as many. If he is found guilty of anything, Bush should also be found guilty.

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[greygandalf]

36. Ok, that doesn't make the invasion of Kuwait legit.

Do you think a few different words would have stopped it?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

38. We'll never know now, will we?

Me, I'd think "Don't do this or we'll kick your ass", said by the deadliest military power that ever existed, would be pretty convincing.

[BikeWriter]

40. Our Ambassador telling him it was not our concern sure didn't!

[LynnTheDem]

18. And yet Iraqis are now 58 times more likely to be killed.

Huh. Guess America is 58 times worse than Saddam Hussein.

[Silverhair]

21. Read the statement about that number carefully.

That is one of those statements that is probably true, but is worded very deceptively. When you look at it you see "1 in 8" and you THINK 1 in 8 Iraqi murdered or tortured. But it is 1 in 8 HAVE A RELATIVE who was. That includes not only immediate family, but cousins, second cousins, cousins-once-or-twice removed in-laws, etc.

Using the larger definition, and remembering that they tend to have larger families in that culture, and that their family structure is more closely knit than ours is, one person can easily have a couple of hundred relatives.

Still, that is a large number, but not impossibly large.

[cynatnite]

23. The same question using car accidents, disease or anything else...

The numbers would seem very high no matter where it was at, but they would be misleading, too.

I don't know how true this number is, but definitely is skewered to fuel the belief the US did the 'right thing' by invading Iraq.

[lectrobyte]

25. of the 1,978 US Dead and 14,641 Wounded, Wonder what the

ratio is for the average American? 1 out of 100?

[Hobarticus]

44. They're already talking about the trial getting moved up...

So desperate for a distraction it's pathetic.