Are the rogue CIA Agents the Good Guys?

[ck4829]

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=31629

What do you all think?

Can and should we find ways to support them?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Look at what they were trying to do

They were trying to let people know that the WMD claim was bogus. Actions revolving around that should be supported, imho.

[electropop]

3. Libby accuses CIA of "a perverted war."

How very Freudian. First, if anybody was running a "perverted war" it was the neocons. Second, why "perverted" and not "clandestine" or "internal?" Everything is sexual for the cons.

[Neil Lisst]

5. I believe they are serving the interests of America in doing so

What is really going on here?

Career CIA types are livid that the president went to war in Iraq in spite of there being no evidence to support it, they are angry about Tenet taking the fall by claiming he said "it's a slam dunk," which seems like a huge lie, and they are upset about being scape-goated.

They feel Bush and Co hung out to dry many of their people and operations, all for a short term political gain. There is simply no telling how many people in the world were compromised, going back 20 years, by the outing. It put out of business everything SHE was working on, all the people who helped provide fronts for her work.

We don't have to judge the CIA for their overall deeds. We only have to judge whether they or the administration is acting for America's good in THIS matter.

I am with them.

http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/

[blm]

16. Same here. I said throughout 2003 and 4 that there was a historic battle

going on between members of the intel community loyal to the American people and the agents loyal to BushInc.

Many here at DU assumed I was exaggerating for dramatic effect, but I was familiar with the inside story from the reporters who nailed the story.

This Plame case gave them the impetus and the ability to speak up more.

[blm]

9. These are the guys who blew the whistle in Oct 2002 to the KnightRidder

reporters. There were about 20 of them at the time who all said the intel was being cooked BY THE WHITE HOUSE.

Few papers picked up on that story, and some of those that did buried it deep inside the paper.

NONE of the broadcast media aired that report....NONE.

I said during the primary battles here that many in the intel community were lining up behind Kerry and that they trusted him from way back during BCCI in which all of today's events are deeply rooted.

Rand Beers, Joe Wilson, Richard Clarke and many silent players were working with Kerry.

Too bad none of them were keyed into the voting machine problems.

After Nov., Bush had Goss purge any agents at the CIA who were suspected of working with Kerry.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Exactly

They got this one right. I at first found it strange I was supporting the CIA. But they were right about this. They would know for sure that Bush was wrong and they tried to stop him. I support them all the way with this.

[Mme. Defarge]

2. George Tenet

Somehow I imagine that he may be cooperating with Fitzgerald's investigation.

[MojoXN]

6. Welcome to DU, Madame!

:hi:

I hope that you enjoy your time here. I sure have!

MojoXN

[Mme. Defarge]

14. Hey, thanks!

I was a regular Kerry/Edwards blogger (under a different name), but crashed after the Electoral College failed to save our democracy. Had to take a break.

Hate to say it, but unless we have a transparent election process in '08, I may not vote in the national election. Refuse to rubber stamp a sham.

Hate to say it, but, after making a contribution to John Kerry's 10,000 lawyers who were going to assure that every vote was counted, I was completely disillusioned when Kerry simply rolled over without a fight the day after the election. The build-up and let-down was like a the ultimate "shaggy dog" story. Let's hope with all our hearts that Fitzgerald doesn't treat us to another one!

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. There were reports a few months ago that Tenet was cooperating

He said he left for family reasons. I believe he meant his CIA family.

BTW: Welcome to DU :hi:

[Mme. Defarge]

15. Tenet's departure

This was before the election. At the time I was hoping he would blow the whistle before November 2nd.

[mattclearing]

4. I don't think they can be trusted.

I can safely assume that a very low percentage of progressive Dems or DU'ers would even consider working at the CIA.

I've heard that only moderate at best Dems tend to work there, and even they are being purged under Goss.

And then the rogue elements that turn on the CIA are displaying a lack of loyalty, a lack of regard for their office.

Perhaps they are loyal to country first, but if they were loyal to country first, why would they work for an agency as secretive and historically destructive as the CIA?

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. I asked someone

that I know that goes back to the early days of the CIA if there was a war within the agency itself. He said there definitely was.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. I remember hearing reports about that as well

And last December Bush purged the CIA. Anyone who wasn't a "yes" person got fired. So I'm assuming there are some pretty pissed off people not only from that but from the agent leaking.

[rman]

10. "...there are some extraordinarily real patriotic Americans...

...and good people in the FBI, as has been said by, I believe, Agent Colleen Rowley, one of the FBI whistleblowers’ bosses, that there’s a wall in the FBI, and this has been validated to me by various attorneys in Houston, who are very close to the power bases, and are pretty ticked-off at what’s happening in this country and are speaking out, as are many CIA agents who are very concerned that it has gone too far, as are many NSA agents who are concerned that it’s gone too far, and FBI agents. So we have a lot of people who are speaking out, they’ve kept quiet too long; they’re afraid, they’re afraid of what’s happening to this country. And when I say the Third Reich, what is happening to this country, they say, and I will identify ‘they’ if pressed, they say, will make the Third Reich look like a tea party."

- whistleblower Indira Singh, Guns 'n Butter interviews

Indira Singh has testified before the 9-11 citizens commission headed by congress woman Cynthia McKinney.

Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. CIA and "good guys" is the ultimate oxymoron.

Considering the CIA's history of humanitarian endeavors from Greece to the Bay of Pigs to Congo to Chile to Nicaragua and many, many, more assasinations, murders, subversion, etc, it is hard to imagine something as inconceivable as a "good" CIA agent.