How about a Lysistratan move against anti-choice men?

[TimeChaser]

If a man doesn't support women's reproductive rights, no sex for him.

I'm sure a great deal of them would change their tunes very quicky.
:evilgrin:

[Cactus44]

1. It's a good idea, BUT....

Anti-Choice men preffer 'submissive' fundie-type wives, don't they?

Those sweet dears would never shirk their 'wifely duty' (which of course they don't enjoy one bit!!)

[knitter4democracy]

6. The dirty secret is that they do.

I went to college with them, and you'd be suprised how many early marriages there were and how much sex (literally against the rules, both on and off campus, for all but the married students) was happening. Most liked to be dominated for some reason or liked the power to manipulate the men.

[Justitia]

2. I would never screw an anti-choice man anyway, but howsabout we

make them adopt an unwanted child or two? I think that would fix their wagons right quick!

[stanwyck]

19. Yes! Better idea

since most liberal women could care less about sex with a freeper. I challenged a loudmouth co-worker one day about his blowhard anti-abortions rants...with and "how many children do you support? (none) or have adopted? (none).
So. Until you're willing to do more than just talk...shut up!

[sinkingfeeling]

3. I'll give up the right to abortion as soon as all males over the age of

12 are required to have vasectomies!

[Cactus44]

4. All? n/m

.

[sinkingfeeling]

10. Yes. If they want to outlaw all abortions then all should have the little

nip job. It can be reversed when they are committed to a relationship and financially and emotionally able to support the children they father.

[Cactus44]

11. What about men who support reproductive rights? They have to get one too?

Why?

[sinkingfeeling]

14. Yes, that's the trade...outlaw abortion when all males of reproductive

age have vasectomies. If abortion is no longer an option to save a woman's life or for victims of rape, incest, etc., then the only sure fire way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is to ensure that the male cannot reproduce.

[Cactus44]

17. Trade?

Are you sure that vicious retaliation against people who support you is a good way to get what you want?

[MountainLaurel]

16. Because a ban on abortion

Is going to affect ALL women, whether they think abortion is OK or not. Turnabout is fair play.

[Cactus44]

18. Why turnabout on people trying to help you?

Doesn't seem like it would advance your casue much, but it would piss off people who had previously been supporters.

Or is just fun to think about 'getting the bastards' wether they were the particular bastard who was responsible or not?

[sinkingfeeling]

23. You are missing the point. My post is that I would be willing to give up

the right to abortion only when men are subjected to rigid control of their reproduction. Turnabout in circumstances. Can you image how out-raged men would be if the 'government' decided their reproductive fate? That's exactly what anti-abortion folks want for women....total control over their reproductive decisions. Since a majority of anti-abortionists are men, I think my solution is fair. Then all of you guys that belive in reproductive rights can battle for them and I'll be glad to support you. By the way, your chances of dying from a vasectomy are minor compared to a woman's giving birth or through illegal abortion. It has nothing to do with 'who is repsonsible'. It has to do with reversing the control over a human being's body.

[Cactus44]

24. OK, I see where you're coming from, but....

'Can you image how out-raged men would be if the 'government' decided their reproductive fate?"

Of course they'd be outraged, but these are decisions that are ultimately driven by the American voting public and half of that voting group are, you guessed it, women. Men might not be the enemy here. I'm going to suggest that your average middle-American, church going, Bush loving Repub woman is just as rabidly anti-abortion as any intangible 'government' that you can find.

'That's exactly what anti-abortion folks want for women....' Yup. And a substantial proportion of those folks are women.

'Since a majority of anti-abortionists are men' Are you sure of this one? Most of the ones that I've come a cross have been women, but that might depend on where you live. Most of the ones that get media attention are men, but as far as who is actually casting the votes that drive election results, and hence public policy it's probably a pretty even split.

Anyway I'm not busting your ovarys just to be a dick here. I'm on your side. I'm just not sure that making sexist suggestions like snipping every male is gonna help the cause. It'll stir up plenty of discussion but in the end I don't think it does anybody any service.

And yes, I said 'sexist' because I meant sexist. When you put together a sentance along the lines of "All <gender> should be subject to <restriction>!" then youy're practicing sexism, which again, doesn't help the cause.

[sinkingfeeling]

27. Disagree that 'these decisions are driven by the American voting public'.

If that were true, we wouldn't be facing a possible overturning of Roe vs. Wade as the majority say to leave it alone. Well, maybe, if the public hadn't be duped/conned/or cheated, they won't have 'elected' Bush and then he couldn't have stacked the Supreme Court, so maybe you can say that these things are decided by voters.

All I'm saying is that people everyday say that women can't be trusted to make their own personal decisions regarding their reproductive organs. Everyday, people say they shouldn't have the right to make that decision. And I say that is sexist. Regardless if its a man or woman who says it. This was a fun thread and I'm not putting my suggestion up for a vote. It's just the reverse of today's reality. Women are under attack by those who want to make decisions about reproduction for them. And the only way I'm going to let that happen is over my cold, dead body!

This is my compromise for those that want all abortions made illegal.

[antigone382]

28. You're looking at this as if it's sole intent is to punish men.

I certainly understand your reaction to what is proposed here, but I think you might be missing what she's trying to say. The idea here is not necessarily that men are against abortion, and therefore men should have vasectomies; it's the idea that if women are going to be subject to such strict control of their own bodies, men must come under the same rules as well...regardless of the pro- or anti-choice beliefs of individuals of either gender. Yes, it's outrageous and offensive. That's the whole point. I don't think she's saying that she really *wants* all men to have mandatory vasectomies, just that it's the logical conclusion of anti-choice beliefs.

[Love Bug]

5. Like I always say:

Don't give your cookies to someone who won't defend the bakery!

[MountainLaurel]

8. Yawp

It's on that first date questionnaire one mentally runs through each time you go out with someone new.

[CottonBear]

7. All anti-choice men could be voluntarily chemically castrated

until they find a woman who wants to reproduce with them.
It's just an idea. Someone's getting all those women pregnant.

[Withywindle]

9. Ha, I've been doing this all my life!

It's just smart self-interest. No way in HELL would I risk getting knocked up by someone who wants one of MY options off the table in a worst-case scenario. Besides, anti-feminist men are in no way attractive to me, so I can't say I've ever been all that tempted either.


But sure, I can call it a political statement too, why not? :D

[stanwyck]

21. it's like that old line

they're attractive until they open their mouths..then, forget it. If they're rightwing, women aren't interested. (well, not the best women).
My 22-yr. old daughter won't date conservatives. She has a wonderful new boyfriend who passed the liberal test.
I've tried to tell the guys I work with who can't attract women..it's your freaking politics! They're turned off when you start your hate radio rants.

[oasis]

12. It won't work. It'll only increase the revenue of strip bars. And motels.

[Orsino]

13. Sorry, but if men don't have the courage...

...to stand up for reproductive rights, neither will most women.

[redwitch]

15. I have always denied anti choice men sex.

It's just my nature! :-)

[Gabi Hayes]

20. hahahahhaaaaaaaaa.....does anybody ever read the most excellent

comic strip "Sylvia?"

check out today's strip

[BlueIris]

22. Just have to post, any woman seriously sleeping with an anti-choice

male...needs a brain transplant. Doesn't just need to get smacked and told to wake the fuck up, she needs a brain transplant. And I doubt the sex-deprivation will truly force misogynists to see the disgusting error of their ways. Just give the women having the sex with misogynists the brain transplants and let them go off to pick better partners.

[mondo joe]

25. A lot of those anti choice men are sleeping w anti choice women, so I

don't think you'lll get too far on that.

[omega minimo]

26. Pharmacists refusing to dispense Viagra would take care of that

:bounce: :bounce:

[antigone382]

29. Women will stop having abortions when men stop having wars.

They say that abortion is the murder of an innocent person for convenience...plenty of innocent people die in war as well, and you can't tell me that their deaths are not out of convenience. If anti-choicers truly believe that life is sacred, they should have gone into Iraq and got every single pregnant Iraqi woman out of danger, whether she wanted to leave or not (after all, by their logic, if a woman is pregnant she shouldn't have the choice to endanger her unborn child by remaining in a war zone, anyway--should she?).

And yes, I'm aware that many women have been involved in war...if men could have babies, I guarantee they'd have abortions too.