Looks like Judy's in more trouble!!

[Halliburton]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-salah18.html

<snip>
Bridgeview used car salesman Muhammad Salah recalls being beaten, housed in a "refrigerator cell" and threatened with rape by Israeli soldiers until he admitted to bankrolling overseas terrorists, according to a new filing in U.S. District Court.

In an odd twist, the interrogation was witnessed by embattled New York Times reporter Judith Miller, and defense attorneys suggested Monday the best way for the U.S. government to prove its case -- and prove Salah wasn't abused -- is to call the controversial journalist to the witness stand.
<snip>

:popcorn:

[ender]

1. what the hell is a reporter doing...

witnessing a torture session?

[mattclearing]

4. She's not just a reporter.

They gave her a uniform. She said she had a clearance. Something is up with her.

[...of J.Temperance]

26. They said that Miller didn't have clearance...I'm so confused now :(

I wish someone would explain this bizarre woman once and for all. It's obvious that she's not a journalist...I'm going to have to go with the below comment that she's a Likud spy, just like Richard Perle, John Bolton and Douglas Feith are.

The four of them are traitors anyhow.

[Pachamama]

44. Ol' Judy sure "gets around", doesn't she?

:eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

48. I'd say

The whole Judy ordeal is the strangest.

[unpossibles]

55. hmm.

Maybe she knew Plame from ... well, from other venues, if you catch my drift. Maybe she is not the only Aspen either.

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[CottonBear]

2. Judy, Judy, Judy...you apparently covered up torture by the US.

If true, you should go to jail for a LONG time.

[Supersedeas]

57. Judy Judy Judy...that was so kind of you to appear in Court today...

are you still protecting your sources?

[panader0]

3. "Judy's no journalist"

Check out Arianna Huffington's column today.
[e-mail]

[RagAss]

8. that's her email

[Kurovski]

10. That's her email addy.--n/t

Is this the link?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/my-three-hours-hiking-amo_b_9108.html

[...of J.Temperance]

28. So, Irving Libby is a cross-dresser?

This is getting MORE AND MORE way out.

[NoSheep]

20. Just read the piece on Huffington's blog. Damn. I don't get it. Can anyone

explain?

[newscott]

6. Judy Hari

[Burried News]

19. Yep and that's why I call it Traitorgate.

[McKenzie]

7. if that is correct

if she watched the abuse of a human being in that way...my liberal principles on justice would go out the window.

No debate...she has forfeited her rights if she did that.

[oregonindy]

9. sounds like Judy is some kind of intelligence asset

[CottonBear]

11. It's been speculated that she's a NOC CIA agent (like Plame.) n/t

[BillZBubb]

15. I don't think she can be CIA.

For one thing, she wouldn't be party to the outing of an agent. She would have reported back to the agency when Plame's name starting floating.

Also, since the agency filed the complaint that started the Plame investigation, it seems like they would have protected Miller from Fitzgerald if she was one of theirs.

TINFOIL SCENARIO: Miller was CIA. She did report that the White House was outing Plame. The CIA then decided to screw the White House that had been screwing them over WMD. So, they pulled a "Rove" on Rove et al. They let Plame get outed. For that price, they knew they could stick it to the White House. They let the WH crew talk and talk leaving a trail of evidence a mile wide. Then they filed their complaint and the trap was sprung!

[Peace Patriot]

25. Interesting theory, but I'd have to see some evidence that Plame had

been demobilized and her entire WMD monitoring network pulled out and replaced--probably an impossible task--because what the traitors did was to put her life in danger and the lives of every one of her covert contacts. I can't see the CIA endangering their own, and destroying their WMD project, 20 years in the making, in such a Byzantine sting to curtail WH thugs. Also, Miller did huge damage to the security of this country in her propagandizing for the Iraq war on the front pages of the NYT--a policy that the CIA opposed. Why would they permit an agent to do that, especially with what they knew of the Bushite lies about Iraq WMDs?

I don't doubt that there are some Byzantine aspects to Treasongate, and have been known to spin a theory or two of my own, but I don't think this one flies.

Keep trying, though. This one is deep, and we need some brains (and good investigators) to keep poking at it.

My pet theory: The Niger forgeries, and the planting of the Niger allegation in Bush's SOTU speech were the beginning point of a Bush Cartel sting against the CIA--a lure to get them to publicly commit on there being no nukes in Iraq. Part two of this sting was to plant nukes in Iraq, for Judith Miller to "find." (They had her all set up with an "embed" contract devised by Rumsfeld; and had the public all primed for it.) SOMEBODY--Plame/Brewster-Jennings? David Kelly (in England)? Other, with connections to these?--foiled that rotten little scheme to plant WMDs in Iraq. And the Bushites--in a panic for fear of discovery of their attempted deceit, and in retribution--rushed to out Plame, in a helter-skelter fashion (calls to at least SIX reporters, that is, six journalist witnesses to treason, etc., in a one week period, 7/7/03 to 7/14/03), putting many top Bushites at great risk, with the results we see today, the entire regime in peril.

The SECOND Plame outing--of Brewster Jennings, the entire network--also by Novak, on 7/22--is one of the things that alerted me to the bogusness of the Rovian revenge story. Why double their risk of treason charges by this second outing--if their purpose was just to punish an ex-diplomat for his dissenting article? Was the Rovian revenge story cover for something else? There are several possible answers to this (one being to point away from Cheney as the architect of the Wilson trip to Niger; another--a good one--Cheney wanted BJ/CIA disabled, to further his arms dealings around the world). But the METHOD of the outings--the speed, the carelessness, the risks, the stupidity of it!--seems to be pointing at SOMETHING as an immediate cause for panic and fear.

That's where David Kelly comes--who was found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances, in England--four days after Plame was outed. His office and computers were searched, and then, four days after that, BJ was outed by Novak (July 22). But the key date may be July 7, because that is the day that Tony Blair was informed that Kelly knew more than he had been whistleblowing about to the BBC. If what Kelly knew, or had participated in, was the foiling of the Bushites' WMD-planting plot in Iraq, then a whole lot of mysteries in his story, and in Plame's story, suddenly start being solved. And the capper to this theory is that Judith Miller is the connective tissue between the two events. She was a friend and colleague of Kelly's, used him as a major quoted source in her book "Germs," and it was to Miller that David Kelly wrote his last email, the day he died, warning of the "many dark actors playing games" (disclosed by his family, not by Miller).

Kelly was mysteriously outed to his bosses (he had been whistleblowing anonymously), interrogated, threatened, outed to the press, and sent home without protection, during the same week that Miller and others were thickly involved in outing Plame and her network and putting all those covert agents and contacts at risk of death.

The dates and the themes and the signs of panicky coverup are just too coincidental to be ignored. It may be just a common M.O. of repressing and punishing dissent about the war and the WMD lies, in the US and the UK, but it feels like something more.

[Usrename]

33. Yes, they were going to plant the nuclear triggers!

The triggers were disabled before delivery.

Who ordered the disabling of the 66 triggers in the first shipment?

They were in deep do-do!

See this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5077724&mesg_id=5081680

Is this the attempt to plant WMDs that you are referring to? I have posted this twice (this makes 3) and I'm not sure if anyone will ever respond.

[Pachamama]

47. PeacePatriot-your post gave me chills...Dave Kelly's last email was to....

Judy Miller before he was "suicided"? Holy Shit! This Judy Miller does get around and I'm sorry, but that is just too much of a coincidink....Even though there is such thing as 6 degrees of separation, this woman seems to be 1 degree of separation to too many things...

I think your theory is very good...I've long believed that the Plame outing was more than just them being pissed at Wilson for his editorial etc. I've always thought Brewser Jennings was involved in perhaps discovering a plot to plant WMD's in Iraq and even further than that, the actual trafficking to terrorists of WMD's by people connected to Bush Co.

I've followed closely the Downing street Memos and have long believed it also was another puzzle piece, but the David Kelly connection just blew me away and I never thought of that one....Wow...You couldn't make this shit up...its really happened...

[BillZBubb]

13. But who's asset?

She appears to have been carrying water for Israel in almost every one of her actions. Of course, the neo-cons were doing the same thing. It doesn't seem likely that she was CIA--she wouldn't be party to outing a fellow agent.

It had to be some DOD or WH intelligence agency. Yet, if it was an established agency like DIA, they would have been able to get Fitzgerald off her by citing national security claims. That implies she was working for an illicit, off the books, group that had a lot of clout with Rumsfeld. OSP? WHIG (the "Plumbers" revisited)?

There is a lot more to this than we will probably ever learn.

[EVDebs]

22. CIA's Operation Mockingbird is an illegal domestic op

If she's a CIA or affilated intel acronym, doing this op would mean Fitzgerald will have to delve into it. Sooooprise sooooprise sooooprise Sgt Carter ! The Financial Times reported yesterday that Fitzgerald is indeed looking into intelligence connections....

CIA leak probe 'widening to include use of intelligence'
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/ff92e968-3f4b-11da-932f-00000e2511c8.html

"Evidence is building that the probe conducted by Patrick Fitzgerald, special prosecutor, has extended beyond the leaking of a covert CIA agent's name to include questioning about the administration's handling of pre-Iraq war intelligence"

Handling of intelligence ? It's more like abuse of a federal agency. Such a charge was brought against Nixon in his impeachment articles.

Stay tuned.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

50. If Miller is an intelligence operative, she's not working for the CIA....

...my guess is she's working for the Pentagon-based NeoCon OSP/OSI.

[EVDebs]

56. A domestic op is a domestic op. Still illegal under CIA's intell umbrella

CIA is supposedly in charge of overall intel budget. Who in Congress approved this domestic op then ? Isn't that, like, unconstitutional ?

Funding not under perview of Congress...has to also have an illegal source of funding. Can you say "smack" from Afganistan via world banking system...under everyone's schnozola.

Refer to Alfred McCoy's seminal work The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade

[xchrom]

12. brrrr -- chill -- imagine your case involving testimony

from miller in any sort of way.

she's a creature up to eyebrows in something more than just being a reporter -- well, loosely said, she's no journalist.

[qanda]

14. Whoa! What is up with her?

She sounds dangerous.

[tgnyc]

16. Rockin' that special security clearance

[The Stranger]

17. Indict Judith Miller.

[Joanne98]

18. You got to be kidding. I'm beginning to think she's a spy.......

[grasswire]

21. hmmmm

....for Mossad? Or what?

[spanone]

23. Judy Miller is a Government Plant at the New York Times.

I have no proof whatsoever, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me. She's the Times version of Armstrong Williams.

[EVDebs]

24. Google Operation Mockingbird and read post #26 over and out.

[Pithy Cherub]

27. Judy's DoD clearance may have been issued to prevent this scenario.

Judy has certainly bitten off more than she can chew and is now hurling all over her :puke: journalist peers. If you stand in front of the NYT building, I bet the editorial and executive management moaning is really audible! :popcorn:

[Burried News]

29. Flowchart from Wikipedia link - article on Irving Lewis Scooter Libby

http://www.newsfollowup.com/leakgate1.htm
"he journalism source id issue is just a smokescreen. Who (Libby?) was Judith Miller protecting and what facts are not (now) being revealed by her being in jail and released? Why was so much effort put into limiting Fitzgerald's questions to Miller to just her conversations with Libby? ..and ... See David Fiderer and "Abort the Plame Investigation Act" also known as "The Free Flow of Information Act" In October of 2005 the surprise 'appearance' of Miller notes about her conversations with Libby in June of 2003 will that will unravel Miller's and Libby's credibility....and the surprise 'appearance' of the email (Newsweek) that sparked Fitzgerald's focus on Rove.....Miller connections to Whitehouse?"

[soulcore]

30. Google: Operation Mockingbird n/t

[tinfoilinfor2005]

31. She's no secret agent.

She's just a pushy mouthy classless broad who the neocons rightly pegged as an easy mouthpiece.

[mmonk]

32. OSP? CIA? Mossad?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Avalux]

37. I'm thinkin' CIA

covert. :popcorn:

[progressivebydesign]

42. I'm thinking she looks like Agent 99, actually. n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. I seriously doubt it. Try the Pentagon-based OSP/OSI....

...that's a much better fit knowing her NeoCon connections.

[mmonk]

34. Military intelligence?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Marie26]

35. So of course Judy promptly notified leading human rights groups

and the US government about the abuses she witnessed. Right? Like we need another reason to hate her. :eyes:

[Disturbed]

36. David Kelly was a staged suicide?

A couple of UK Agents grabbed him up slashed his wrist. Told him if he resisted that his family would have a fatal accident. They waited till he passed out and left. It is plausible.

[Marie26]

38. And also...

Judy Miller was involved in another controversy when she tipped off some Islamic "charities" that the FBI was investigating them before the FBI could seize their assets. The FBI thought that the charities were actually front groups for terrorists - but by notifying them ahead of time, the charities had a chance to destroy evidence before the FBI could find it. In a twist of fate, Fitzgerald was also the prosecutor who charged the charity. How could she be covering for both Israeli agents & Islamic front groups? :crazy: Judy Miller must be some sort of quadruple agent & it's just impossible to figure all of these agendas out.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0529,rozen,66002,6.html

[raysr]

39. She must be pulling the

ENTIRE train at the WH!

[struggle4progress]

40. Why Not Torture Judith Miller? (Dissident Voice)

by Mike Whitney
www.dissidentvoice.org
October 3, 2005

<snip> The New York Times’ star investigative reporter Judith Miller spent 12 weeks in the hoosegow only to discover that she actually had permission to testify before the Federal grand jury the whole time? Is this what the Times means when they say that she had to confirm that she “finally received a direct and uncoerced waiver” from her source. (Ass. Chief of Staff “Scooter” Libby) <snip>

By Bush’s logic, Miller should have been trundled off to a secret location where she could have been beaten and abused until she provided the information required by the grand jury. She should have been intimidated by snarling guard dogs and fitted for a leash so she could be photographed prostrate on the floor of her cell by fun-loving interrogators from private security firms. <snip>

Is that what it will take to wake people up to the horrors of the current system?

Miller was a key player in fabricating the information that plunged the country into the worst disaster in American history. Still, she is entitled to every benefit provided under the law. The inmates of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and Bush’s other gulags deserve that very same consideration.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct05/Whitney1003-2.htm

[Neil Lisst]

45. Torture?!! No!! Water boarding her is fine, of course!

as per Alberto Gonzales

Today I torture the White House over bogus terror alerts.
here
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

[electricray]

41. I believe this is because Judy is a reliable shill for Bushco.

Sure, Judy saw it. She also saw all that stuff at Abu Ghraib. Oh and that stuff with Tom Delay? Judy was with him the whole time and she knows what really happened. Judy also saw all the stockpiles of weapons and the yellowcake uranium. That woman is a testament to journalism. :sarcasm:

[Dunvegan]

43. Judy in Disguise..for LieCons...Plame, WMDs, Sec Clearance, Anthrax...

...yes, and let us not forget Judy's phoney anthrax letter.

Curiouser and curiouser...from her Wikipedia entry:

http://tinyurl.com/9xrxg

"Anthrax Hoax Victim"

"On October 12, 2001, Judith Miller received an anthrax hoax letter mailed to her New York Times office. The 2001 anthrax attacks had occurred in the weeks prior and several hoax letters were sent to important individuals in the media.

"Miller had written a book on bio-terrorism, "Germs: Biological Weapons and America's Secret War.""

[lovuian]

46. There for the interrogation and torture!!! Judith Miller is more than

a news reporter!!!

[texpatriot2004]

53. The torture of an American soldier. n.t

[ngGale]

49. Exactly, just how much security clearance does...

Judy, Judy, Judy have? Doesn't seem she is double dipping, but even triple dipping. A journalist, this woman is NOT...:dilemma:

[Tesla]

54. Man, no wonder she isn't worried about working for the "Times"

I mean, she has about 10 books she could write!!

I wonder what or who she does!!!!!!

I mean you don't get this far without some quality!!!!
She doesn't look very wild!!!

[tavalon]

52. Mostly off subject

How the hell was Halliburtin as a username available in 2004! I can't believe no one else had that one! Amazing. :)

[MellowOne]

58. She must be guilty of something criminal

With all her "cover-ups", hope she goes down as well.

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