If Bush** has any dignity, he'll resign and spare the nation the shame.

[ClassWarrior]

When I posted this last night, some DUers scolded me for presuming that Bush** has dignity, and they condescendingly assured me that Bush** will never resign. They missed the point entirely. And so I will attempt to explain. This is all about talking points and strategic framing.

Remember during the attempted Right Wing coup of 1998, when the Party of Nixon repeatedly made that same statement about Bill Clinton? They didn’t say it because they thought that Clinton had any dignity, or because they thought he really would resign. They said it because the statement put Clinton into a box in the public’s eyes.

The statement played to the many less-than-politically-active people who might otherwise have supported Clinton, but were embarrassed by the national scandal. Without being privy to the political dirty tricks that were at the root of the coup attempt, many Americans went along with the idea that it’d be better if Clinton resigned, rather than drag the nation through a pile of sleazy muck.

Therefore, I’m suggesting that the title of this thread can be used the same way against Junior** and his band of criminals. We’ve already seen that the Radical RW is attempting to blame the Fitzgerald investigation on us. They say “some people” (read “the left”) are trying to “trap” Bush** and Cheney** with “perjury technicalities.” They hope to make it all about us as the nation begins to get dragged through a fresh pile of sleazy muck. We can’t allow them to do this.

Clearly the blame for all this belongs squarely on the administration’s shoulders. They’re the ones who coddled criminals and committed crimes. We know that Fitzgerald isn’t grinding a political axe. He’s upholding the law. Therefore we need to place the blame squarely where it belongs – in Bush**’s lap.

No, we don’t believe that Junior** has any dignity, nor do we believe that he’ll resign. But we do know that the national embarrassment that is sure to ensue is HIS fault and the fault of his cronies. Therefore we need to start now to sow the seeds of doubt about him in the minds of the many folks who are queasy about national scandal.

That’s why I’m asking you today to join me in saying loudly and often, to anyone within earshot:

If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now and spare the nation the shame.

NGU.

[occuserpens]

1. Repentance GOP style

<If Bush** has any dignity, he'll resign and spare the nation the shame>

The way it works, anybody who does not appreciate the GOP leadership, is supposed to repent.

[ClassWarrior]

99. That's the way they WANT it to work. Don't let them!!

Change the debate to "dignity" and "resignation!!"

NGU.

[MidnightWind]

2. Well according to Tweety yesterday as * saddled up to the

microphone to give his comment re Libby--he's "classy" and "dignified". Seriously--that was Chris Matthew's spin. Oh--and "noble". I knew I was leaving a word out. He also referred to his as "Our leader"--I don't know why he didn't do the goose step, the salute and call him "Der Fuhrer". :puke:

[oldtime dfl_er]

5. Tweety had tucker carlson on to comment

without identifying him as the right wing nutjob he is. When in crisis, Tweety defers to the right wing. It's sickening.

[Cha]

104. tweety is scared the wh

is going to call russert and bitch about him :scared:

The m$m will make sure the chimp's wh doesn't bring shame on the nation. They will be calling this the "glass half full" until the last frog has marched.

[drb]

3. You're right , of course.

But if pigs had any wings, we'd all wear big floppy washable hats to spare ourselves the shame of getting hit with pig poop bombs.

[oldtime dfl_er]

4. I appreciate your use of language

to box dubya in. I like that. I take issue with the notion that this country has any shame left to feel. I do, and you do, but the damage Bushco has done to our international reputation is so severe and so deep that shame is almost the least of the problems. I do agree that we must define this administration as scandal-ridden (which they are), uncaring, greedy, evil and shameful.

[ClassWarrior]

68. Keep hope alive!

NGU.

[Mutley]

6. The right wing talking point about Clinton is this:

"Well, when Clinton was charged with perjury it was a step up from what the prosecutor was seeking. In the case of Libby, perjury is a step down from what the prosecutor was seeking. And that's what makes it all kosher."

:crazy:

[Marc A]

7. Criminalization of Politics

Don't forget they also blame us for the: "Criminalization of Politics"

[buddysmellgood]

10. That is backfiring bigtime. Everyone who hears that thinks of Delay, Frist

Rove, Libby, Cheney, Galloway...criminals. The criminals are in politics. Throw out the criminals, problem solved.

[hiabrill]

85. I feel offended, why is Galloway in that list??!

a mistake?

[buddysmellgood]

92. DOH! Yes, sorry. I meant Gannon and Abramhoff.

[newyawker99]

54. Hi Marc A!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ClassWarrior]

64. Welcome to DU, Marc!

Never Give Up.

[calimary]

73. Which I think is hysterical, btw. Boo-hoo-hoo! Where I come from,

those whiners are called "Crybaby Conservatives." And MAN are they living up to their names!

Maybe they're feeling like they're being criminalized because that's what they ARE. If the shoe fits...

Welcome to DU, Marc A! Good to have you here!

[Neocondriac]

8. BushCo.

Will never show any signs of giving up. You could have them dead to rights and impeached and you would still have to send in officials to drag them out of the White House. They feel entitled. This is more like expecting a King to give up his reign. That's what we're dealing with here.

[tavalon]

49. You're missing the point again

We are trying to win in the court of public opinion. No one here, including the OP believes that he will actually resign. We want to plant the idea in the American publics mind that he should resign.

[hiabrill]

86. I believe he will resign if Fitz...

...brings on more pressure... a hell of alot more!

* must resign and he will resign at the end of this investigation before he gets impeached...

If Fitz is truly what he's made out to be, he's targeting *.



The crimes that lead to the Iraq war need to be exposed. Surely this is worse than both Watergate and Clintongate...!! People have lost their lives because of *. It's pay-back time.

[brokensymmetry]

9. And if a frog could fly, he wouldn't bump his rump.

Bush**? Dignity? We'll see flying frogs first. :D

[ClassWarrior]

12. Thanks for only bothering to read the title without reading the post...

Don't operate any heavy machinery, okay?

NGU.

[brokensymmetry]

39. Good advice.

But look at the bright side - it served to kick the thread. By the way, I also nominated it.

Have a nice day.

[ClassWarrior]

40. Thanks for being a good sport.

:toast:

NGU.

[tavalon]

50. And that's not the point n/t

[WritingIsMyReligion]

11. Dignified Bush=Oxymoran.

Cannot physically happen. It's against the laws of nature.

[ClassWarrior]

13. Please keep this kicked and nominate it, if you believe...

...this is a good talking point.

NGU.

[Overseas]

112. If Cheney and Rove had any honor, they'd resign-- would work too.

[ClassWarrior]

117. Excellent corollary. Mix and match as needed.

B-):thumbsup:

NGU.

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. If he had any dignity, he would have bowed out instead of having

SCOTUS elect him in 2000.

[Demeter]

15. It's Worth A Try, But Frankly, GOP Has NO Shame

and has demonstrated that lack repeatedly--just this month in Harriet Miers case, to mention one instance.

[ClassWarrior]

16. I'm not talking about the GOOP's shame - I'm talking about the American...

...people's shame. And about helping direct it where it belongs - at the Bush** Crime Family.

NGU.

[Demeter]

19. Don't Think There's Much of That Either In Red States

I remember back to '73: bumperstickers in the South reading "Drive Fast, Freeze a Yankee"

That ethos hasn't changed. It's spread like a cancer, and hardened. It's going to take a major economic collapse (worse than Enron, which did soften up the blockheads) to drive these people out of Denial and into the Reality-based world.

And those of us with soft hearts are going to have to hold their feet to the fire, distasteful and repulsive as that may be. There can be no reconciliation without capitulation.

[ClassWarrior]

20. There doesn't have to be "much" - just "enough."

I'll take any political victories we can score against Right Wing evil.

NGU.

[Demeter]

22. Oh, I Am Not Advocating Resignation On Our Part

I just won't hold my breath waiting for the wheels of justice to grind these bastards up.

[ClassWarrior]

24. Who said "hold your breath?" I'm saying jump in there and help grind!!

NGU.

[tavalon]

51. But this isn't about winning the hearts and minds of the GOP

This is a discussion with the American public. We want them (and rightly so) to be embarrassed by what the GOP and their supposed leader have done.

[NV Whino]

17. You have a point, but

given that we are already eyeball deep in sleazy muck, it sort of loses it's punch.

Also given the fact that liberals being who we are, there is no way in hell we are going to play RW sleezeball games--whatever the potential outcome.

[ClassWarrior]

18. What's so sleazeball about calling for Bush**'s resignation?

Even if we don't think it'll ever happen. It's still the right thing for him to do - and our responsibility to call him on it.

NGU.

[Demeter]

21. We've Been Doing That for Years, Now

to little effect. The thought that Dubya should be held responsible for his messes hasn't sunk in with the general population nor the media (although New Orleans is softening that, too.)

[ClassWarrior]

23. No we haven't. We've wanted it, but we haven't been calling for it...

...talking-point style. These criminal proceedings are an enormous opportunity for us. Do you want to ride it for all we can get out of it, or should we just give up?

NGU.

[NV Whino]

25. We're talking Granny Smiths and Navels here

It is not sleazeball to call for his resignation, but it is undignified (call it sleazy if you wish) on our part to play the RW games. What I call for is his indictment, conviction and incarceration. His resignation alone will not remove the sleazy muck in which we as a nation are mired. So, call an apple an apple and ask for his arrest and conviction.

[ClassWarrior]

32. So you don't believe Bush** should take responsibility for his crimes?

I agree that he should be arrested, convicted, impeached, and jailed. But my opinion is not the point of this meme. The point is that a real president would take responsibility for the criminal shitstorm he's helped to create, and would do all he could to spare the nation.

NGU.

[NV Whino]

43. Even in his orange jumpsuit

Bush will take no responsibility for his crimes. I prefer spending my time and energy getting him into the orange jumpsuit rather than "framing" his image as dignified enough to resign for the "good of the nation."

If you want to spend your time with that talking point, go for it.

[ClassWarrior]

56. So you say if Bush** won't resign there's no value in demanding it. But...

...I say even IF he doesn't resign, there's ENORMOUS (PR) value in demanding it repeatedly. I'm just trying to think strategically.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

NGU.

[n2doc]

26. well, we all know the answer to THAT question, don't we? n/t

[MsConduct]

27. You're referring to a 'man' who doesn't believe in taking

responsibility for wrong doing or mistakes. :wtf:

[ClassWarrior]

28. Please read the POST, not just the TITLE, before you respond...

NGU.

[MsConduct]

29. Once again classless warrior, you are NOT the board police.

you are dismissed.

[ClassWarrior]

30. You're right. People are totally free to spout uninformed opinions.

That's why I said "please." I guess I was hoping you'd be reasonable.

NGU.

[tavalon]

53. You were wrong

He was right. You were both a bit too snippy.

[ClassWarrior]

55. Thanks for your perspective, tav. I was just frustrated.

Mea culpa, MsConduct.

NGU.

[tavalon]

52. That isn't the point of this post

This is a discussion with the American people. We want them to start thinking about the President's shame and then we want them to notice that he doesn't have any. It called framing the discussion, something we Democrats sorely lack.

[MsConduct]

63. I've been here for over a year and have only responded to

ONE other thread posted by this 'warrior' person. He/she was rude then and I see nothing has changed. I can't stand holier than thou pontificating assholes, and this person is one. I'm not 'required' to respond to any thread in any particular manner. I can say what I want without some jerk demanding I play the way they want to. When did DU turn into freeperville?

[ClassWarrior]

65. If I've offended you in the past, I apologize.

NGU.

[MsConduct]

76. Apology accepted. n/t

[tavalon]

75. It didn't

but you seem to have quite a button around classwarrior. He had an interesting original post and you seemed to jump all over him. He got snippy back but you seem to be blasting him out of the water. What do you think that's about?

Nobody is damanding anything of you that I can see.

[ninkasi]

121. I think we should use bringing shame to America

at every opportunity. We can link the outing of Plame, the President and Vice-President both insisting that we have the right to use torture, the grossly unfair tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class and poor, and the Iraq War.
Each and every one of those things is shameful, and we should be demanding his resignation.

We have to be consistent in linking Bush, and his corrupt administration every chance we get. We don't have to think he'll actually do it, but it will serve to link "Bush" and "shame" in the minds of the American people. I think it's a good idea.

[ClassWarrior]

122. Yes, spread the blame around - the meme still fits...

If Bush** had any dignity at all, he'd resign now and spare the American people the disgrace.

NGU.

[bluedog]

31. the American people should be outraged about this mess

its a corrupt WH...and this case brings to light the lies of the IRAQ war........matbe Fritz didn't say so directly......but the outing was all based on the reasons for the war.....

bush should be pulled from the WH and tried at the Hague for war crimes.....whats wrong with people..this whole entire administration is corrupt and must step down.....scream it from the rooftops.write the networks .every chance you get.....call on congress..its almost 2006....lets get this shit bunch flushed down the sewer where they belong.....

[ClassWarrior]

33. I agree totally. Which is why we need to speed the erosion of his...

...public support. Pass it on. "If Bush** had any dignity, he'd resign and spare the American people the shame."

NGU.

[journalist3072]

70. A lot of people just simply aren't aware

Of the depth of this administration's crimes, and we can thank the MSM for that.

[rhett o rick]

110. A lot of people just plain don't care until it directly effects them. nt

[journalist3072]

119. You hit the nail on the head..

Unfortunately, that is very true. Many times people don't have their grand awakening until something directly impacts them.

[ClassWarrior]

34. What reaction would you get if you said this to your RW brother-in-law...

...(co-worker, neighbor, <insert moonbat's name here>, etc.)?

I honestly want to know. How would the winguts in our lives react if we'd say to their faces, and in earshot of lots of other people, "If Bush** had any dignity at all, he'd resign now and spare the nation the shame."

NGU.

[bigbrother05]

35. I agree with you 100 %

A true American Patriot would do what is right for our nation. If this is your second attempt to get this message across, I apologize for people not partaking in a request that would deliver a message that is simple and straight forward. The fact of the matter is I don't like to play games, but sometimes you have to join them to beat them. Just like Clinton said "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". If you know your opponents game plan, its real easy. Bush compares everything to football. I compare everything he does to chess, but he's playing checkers.
All of us on here know what he is going to do, calling for his resignation, in every conversation is going to resonate.
Get them in their downfall, it can be a powerfull play.
Stronger men than Bush have been brought down.

[ClassWarrior]

36. Excellent points. Please nominate the thread.

And I don't see it as game-playing at all. It's making clear to the uninformed what's completely obvious to us. Did you notice where a poster above said we're already doing that? No we're not. We're ASSUMING that. And holding our breath and hoping against hope that everyone else gets it. We need to assume that they DON'T get it and TELL them about it. Loudly and often.

If Bush** had any dignity at all, he'd resign now and spare the nation the shame.

NGU.

[bigbrother05]

37. I don't think it's game playing either

But that seemed to be some of the responses.Bush became very obvious to the world during Katrina, opened a lot of peoples eyes. I made a statement that day to my husband "this disaster would be treated no differently than a third world country". That became very clear, people can not forget the people of our country just asking for food and water. It's the haves and the have nots.
So I'll say in every conversation.
Don't fear the man or the position.
If Bush** had any dignity at all, he'd resign now and spare the nation the shame.

[texpatriot2004]

38. That's the truth. FRAMING MATTERS. Recommended. n.t

[calimary]

94. Utterly. FRAMING MATTERS - as though our very LIVES depended on it.

And, anymore, that is far from exaggeration.

Kick.

[texpatriot2004]

41. Kick nm

[ClassWarrior]

123. As they say in Houston - KIKK...

:kick:

NGU.

[RetroLounge]

42. Kicking

:kick:

RL

[calimary]

74. Kicking again.

And nominating.

:hi:

[ClassWarrior]

78. And once more...

:kick:

NGU.

[MissWaverly]

44. I agree with you

Bush and Cheney have no credibility, Bush, if he remains in office will be the lamest of lame ducks unable to enact anything unless it's by the backdoor like Bolton's appointment. Bush really digs the
pomp and circumstance, surely by now, he realizes that his administration is beyond PR repair. Why put the country thru an investigation and the hauling of to jail of your cabinet, 1 by 1 as this investigation unfolds.

[oregonindy]

45. nah...he's a cockroach...and ya'll have to stomp them out.

[ClassWarrior]

67. It would be very helpful if you read the post before you comment...

...on the title. Thanks for your support! :hi:

NGU.

[bleever]

46. VERY powerful talking point. Read the whole post: it isn't about

whether * has any dignity.

It's about getting the words "dignity" and "resignation" into the national conversation and providing a very persuasive context to the whole Traitorgate story.

People across the country who only heard Scooter's name for the very first time yesterday don't know (or care to know) the intricacies of this case. And we don't need them to.

My stepmom voted straight Repub all her life til the last election (when I successfully pleaded with her to vote for Kerry for the sake of her grandchildren), and her reaction to the indictiments is, "If they're arresting him, he must be guilty".


Just imagine if people were saying this all over the country: "If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now and spare the nation the shame."

Even those who disagree are left debating about *'s dignity, and resignation. The shame becomes taken-for-granted.


:thumbsup:

[calimary]

87. Damned Frickin' Straight!

That's what it's about. Getting those words and those mental pictures and those perceptions and those memes OUT INTO THE NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS AND INTO THE NATIONAL DIALOGUE AND OVER THE NATIONAL BACK FENCE AND AROUND THE NATIONAL WATER COOLER.

Consider this:

Yesterday, Saturday, I was in the car in the morning and had my car radio tuned where it usually is - to my favorite FM rock station (KLOS, Los Angeles, 95.5 FM - plug-plug-plug. Just deal with it. I'm biased. I used to work there). As usual on Saturday mornings, they run an edited compilation recap of the highlights of the morning show all through the previous week. It's the Mark and Brian show and they're a couple of aging rowdies who are, at times, so funny that they will provoke flying snot to projectile-vomit from your nose. One of the bits they were doing involved a conference call with bush and schwarzenegger, with the two radio crazies attempting their reliably bad impersonations of each of these two political vermin and what self-inflicted, boo-hoo, poor-me situations in which they now find themselves. The bush send-up with his bad Texas twang starts in and soon gets around to referencing how he's started drinking again. Then they carry on about that a little bit and the schwarzenegger send-up tries to step around that and change the subject.

This, mind you, wasn't the funniest part OR the most significant. What was best of all was the mere fact that this radio duo was actually joking openly about bush hitting the bottle again - ON THE AIR to all of the huge radio market that is Southern California. Translation: the subject of bush's boozing is NO LONGER TABOO. It's no more hands-off, treat him with kid gloves, don't ever mention anything bad about him. It's fair game time. And if it's reached the radio-crazies parodies on the air in morning drive, then saying it's fair game time is an understatement. Things like this are PROOF POSITIVE that bush has now lost, AND FORFEITED, any claims, or veneers, of dignity, and it is now open season to not just bring it up, per se, but to make a flat-out mockery of it and drag him through the dirt about it. No holds barred. Gloves are off. Secret's out. Fair game indeed.

My husband and I were watching ex-GOP Senator Alan Simpson interviewed by somebody on TV last night, and Simpson made reference to the whole idea of playing rough, and changing fortunes (and poll numbers and favorability ratings). He put it something like this: "my friends on the Hill would do well to think twice about unleashing the automatic fanny-kicking machine. Because the times change, and the tables turn, and suddenly the people who originally unleashed that automatic fanny-kicking machine on their political enemies are going to find that same fanny-kicking machine coming back around to kick THEM." Which, I think, WE ARE NOW SEEING.

Remember: this is not the Monica Lewinsky scandal in which everybody inside the Beltway was piling on Clinton - while out in the heartland Clinton had favorability ratings up in the HIGH 50's and LOW 60's. This is NOW, with TREASONGATE and actual multiple honest-to-God indictments for PERJURY, LYING to a Grand Jury, and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE against a then-SITTING high-level White House operative - the first time in 130 years that's happened - and the guy presiding over all of it is sitting in the muck with job approval ratings in the HIGH THIRTIES. bush WISHES he had Clinton's numbers, even during the bad times. Hell, he probably WISHES he even had his dad's numbers during the bad times. Because even those numbers, while not great, would look good from where he sits now. He's NOT negotiating from a position of strength now. That's all over, folks. OVER. And HE HIMSELF is fair game.

So I say let the games begin, and with ANY nouns and pronouns and adjectives and descriptions we feel like using. Yes, even dignity. And the LACK THEREOF.

[bleever]

96. Damn, that was good. It's not who "wins" the argument that counts;

it's the topic that matters.

* is fair game, like he never was before.

[ClassWarrior]

97. Excellent, Mar.

NGU.

[GuvWurld]

47. I have also written about "The Resignation Frame" (different use)

http://guvwurld.blogspot.com/2005/08/resignation-frame.html

Monday, August 08, 2005
The Resignation Frame

Here's the thing I don't get about George Lakoff, called "the father of framing" by the New York Times. Lakoff understands the severity of the current American condition yet he continues to offer his services to the Democratic party. I do not see him as a shill. He is genuinely progressive and sincere in his passions. I am simply dumbfounded that he looks out at the world and thinks his best chance to improve it is by working with people who are resigned to many aspects of the status quo.

* This party has accepted voting conditions that ensure inconclusive outcomes;

* This party continues to participate in a legislative charade where they are not allowed to introduce bills, convene or even attend hearings;

* This party makes no effort to enforce existing laws against war crimes and war profiteering;

This last bit is what got me thinking about this. Yesterday I attended my first Communities for Peace meeting in a while and I heard the report back from Humboldt's two latest Peace Ambassadors. Thanks to Carol Brannan and John Shaefer for representing our community in the name of peace. In their report they mentioned meeting with Congressman Mike Thompson. Carol described asking Thompson about what could be done to curtail war profiteering, adding that the war would be over right quick like if nobody was making any money off of it. She said he looked at her like she had six heads. He has resigned himself to accepting war and war profiteering.

My instinctive reaction was to shout out that he should resign if he is resigned. Aside from the momentary outburst, I now see this as a new kind of Tilt Strategy. Another example quickly followed. peterph54 posted this to the J30 listserv today:

I spoke with BOE directors Charles Miller, Tuscarawas County . The Board there chose Diebold, he didn't seem to be in agreement but didn't openly state that. I don't want to crucify this guy, but he said that ES+S (their vendor for the past several years) "could be throwing out every third vote, and he wouldn't know the difference".

From this account it appears Charles Miller is complicit in the dismantling of democracy. I don't want to crucify the guy either - I just want him to take his resignation toward his hopeless job and resign. If he cannot imagine things getting better and will not work toward that end, he must get out of the way so his office can be occupied by someone willing to work for change.

There are others also in this indefensible position. This is the hallmark of the tilt target, the person who can maintain his untenable spot only because nobody has challenged him for it. When we seek out these targets it must be to bring the novel challenge that causes one either to bear the continued shame of such exposure, or be "tilted" into taking a stance more closely aligned with specific preferred remedies being suggested, in this case resignation.

More...
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com/2005/08/resignation-frame.html

[ClassWarrior]

66. Interesting perspective. I guess Lakoff feels, like I do...

...that we still can rescue the Dem Party from itself.

NGU.

[Nothing Without Hope]

48. Recommended. The meme of resignation needs to be pushed because

it makes clear the depth of failure and harm that are BUSH's responsibility as the head of state. He is trying to hide, as the Administration attempts yet another role of scapegoating for all mistakes, this time using Libby as the "bad apple." They seem to be signaling that Cheney might also be sacrificed if necessary to limit the damage and protect Bush. This cannot be allowed.

But I do believe we also need to add most of the rest of the Administration leadership when we discuss the need for resignations. Many of them are active promoters of the culture of corruption and they must be held accountable.

Bush will never accept responsibility - but it can be forced on him.

[ClassWarrior]

59. LOL - Love the cartoon!

Thanks Hope. :hi:

NGU.

[calimary]

88. Oh, Dear God what a SENSATIONAL cartoon!

Unfortunately, that's the condition in which he's leaving our ENTIRE COUNTRY. Not just his own office. He'll have trashed the place worse than Motley Crue does a hotel room.

[spanone]

57. Don't count on it, he's as stubborn as he is stupid.

[ClassWarrior]

58. Might I very kindly suggest you read the post before you comment...

...on the title? Thank you.

NGU.

[peace frog]

60. Unless the Dems retake the House in 2006

and begin impeachment proceedings, it will never happen. Junior resign?! Fuhgeddaboudit. :eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

61. Might I very kindly suggest you read the post before you comment...

...on the title? Thank you.

By the way, I totally agree with you that we need to ROCK 2006.

Bryan Kennedy in Wisconsin's 5th CD!!

NGU.

[peace frog]

62. Sure, since you put it so nicely

:)

[journalist3072]

69. When Bush talked about

Restoring honory and integrity to government, he meant everyone except himself and his cronies.

The fact is that Bush has ZERO respect for the law and for this country. He does not love America, and clearly does not love Americans.

He believes he is above accountability.

Please read my latest blog entry: http://progressiveminds.bloghi.com/2005/10/29/tell-me-george-what-was-that-about-honor-and-integrity.html

[Festivito]

71. Fine, but Dems don't have a meme distribution machine.

Besides, Rwers and their sheeple believe they are at the mercy of a LW press. They dismiss such diatribes as a hidden agenda from LW crowd.

Sure, put it out there. Maybe I'm all wet. maybe it'll work.

Part of the RW affect machine is to pass these phrases to dildo heads, er, ditto heads who treat it like secret club handshakes, feeling like two spies uncovering each other's hidden identities in a world of media words fighting them.

RW media figures get a stipend for performance, good delivery of a line, even over the other person's speaking. The stipends, parties, rich shallow friends continue.

What do we have? Honesty, not cute misleads.

Dignity is confused with good delivery of a line. Bush won't quit until the last dime is drained and he and his hoarde have nothing left to gain.

I'm just a hack. Could be wrong.

[ClassWarrior]

77. True, but that's reason to fight harder.

NGU.

[Festivito]

79. We need to fight smarter more than harder.

This adds one more diatribe to a list of Bush admin missteps. Swing voters are cowed and scared and turned off their ears for something too loud to ignore, like indicting Libby.

Smarter is to have a few things the swingers can remember at water coolers, or my favorite, heading off the next CON move.

Like when it comes to Libby ONLY being charged with lying, its confusing, its a busy time in WH, criminalizing politics.

A FEW THINGS:

There is a huge crime here.
There is a coverup here.
Someone lied, at least ONE person.
There has been a leaker in the WH for two years.
Bush moves too slowly.
Investigations are needed to push Bush.

Jumping ahead to Bush should resign, no matter how certain we are, alienates people who would support us. We can't afford that.

[ClassWarrior]

80. Agreed. Thanks for putting that finer point on it.

NGU.

[calimary]

89. OH YES THEY DO. It's US. And if the traditional, conventional,

professional Dems don't stand up, that means WE take matters into our own hands.

These things HAVE TO BE SAID. These things HAVE TO BE PUT OUT THERE. I guarantee you, if YOU are going around, saying it, you WILL ABSOLUTELY, BEYOND ANY DOUBT, be saying something that somebody else within earshot is thinking. Maybe more like several somebodies.

THESE THINGS NEED TO BE BOLDLY AND AUDACIOUSLY PUT OUT THERE.

Every single one of these that you DO put out there is equivalent to another arrow shot by some foot-soldier over the top of the Evil Baron's castle walls. And depending on how - um - "pungent" it is, it might be equivalent to a flaming arrow. Which is quite appropriate, because inside the Dark Lord's castle walls are a whole lot of smaller buildings with thatched roofing on top.

This is not just catapulting the propaganda. This is catapulting rocks and stones and flaming arrows from sure-fired crossbows over the enemy's castle walls.

In short, THIS. IS. WAR.

You wanna play it to win? If our Democratic "leaders" don't, or can't, or don't have the stomach for it, then it's up to US. If they don't wanna play rough, it doesn't mean WE can't.

[Festivito]

93. I like your attitude. It is war. Pitchforks and torches are fine. /nt

I hope we reach the people we need to reach.

[calimary]

72. Not that I can see i t, but, incredibly, others DO. I woke up this morning

(Saturday) to CSPAN, to which we'd dozed off the night before, and who should be on there but the guy who's chief of the American Conservatives Union (I think that's the name of the miserable group) who was blathering on about how this president had done a really great job and he supported him and retained his faith in him. How on EARTH anyone can say this with a straight face, no less believe it, completely mystifies me. But there he sat, big as life, on camera, taking calls mainly from other conservatives who were pretty much just parroting his points back to him.

bush attempts to FEIGN dignity. Hence the serious posture and facial expressions as he strode out to the microphones to issue a brief statement and refused to take questions, and how he sauntered out to that podium in front of the beautifully-lit two-square feet of New Orleans that wasn't a total disaster area, trying to play-act as though he had gravitas. And remember: this was the same guy who vowed ever so solemnly that he was going to "bring honor and dignity back to the White House."

Well, okay then. Bring 'em on, george. Let's SEE some of that dignity you're so boastful about. Put your money where your mouth is. Let's SEE some of that dignity in action. Let's see you live up to your word, for once.

Evidently, Nicholas Kristoff in the NYTimes is calling for cheney to be a man and do the noble thing and resign - in Sunday's editorial section. I couldn't agree more - with either exhortation.

[bleever]

81. Sunday morning kick.

:kick:


NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

100. Sorta like a strong, hot cup of coffee??

:kick:

NGU.

[WiseButAngrySara]

82. This is great. Repeat after me...(doesn't even begin to compare w/ a BJ!)

....

If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now and spare the nation the shame.

If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now and spare the nation the shame.

If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now and spare the nation the shame.

If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now and spare the nation the shame.

If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now and spare the nation the shame.

:kick: and R!

[ClassWarrior]

98. If Bush** has any dignity at all, he'll resign now...

...and spare the nation the shame!!

Testify, Sister Sara!

NGU.

[calimary]

83. Kicking again. Already recommended.

This is important stuff. It is CRITICAL as a strategic exercise to try, at least in some small regard, to think as the enemy thinks, hence the reference to "dignity." YES, I KNOW, bush doesn't HAVE ANY dignity. Doesn't even understand the meaning of the word, frankly. Certainly doesn't embody it (he of the wiping his eyeglasses on some David Letterman assistant's shirt, and walking around with his fly unzipped at some important meeting with the leaders of South-East Asian nations). But we need some fitness training on this, anyway, the better to address those sufficiently feeble of mind to believe, in actuality, that he DOES have dignity.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth, guys. This is VERY useful stuff.

:evilgrin:

[calimary]

95. Dignity? You want dignity? I got yer dignity, right here:

Since I brought it up in this earlier post, I thought it'd be instructive to go find the link. I saved it but don't know how to post a photo. But the thread below tells all...

(caption)
"President George W. Bush (news - web sites), left, talks with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, as Prime Minister of Australia John Howard, right, talks with China's President Hu Jintao, and Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Hsien Loong , top left, and Russian President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites) look on after they attended the Reading of the Final Declaration at the APEC (news - web sites) Summit at La Moneda Sunday, Nov. 21, 2004 in Santiago, Chile"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041121/481/edb11411211850

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1383282


:rofl: :evilgrin:

[ClassWarrior]

105. The classic open fly photo!! LOL

I don't think it's on the Yahoo site anymore, but I remember it. Classic!

B-)

NGU.

[hiabrill]

84. ** has no dignity and feels no shame...!!!

[ClassWarrior]

90. This isn't about what Junior** will do. It's about eroding his support...

...using language. It's about repeating this statement to the non-political types in our lives and, as my bro bleever said higher up in the thread, in doing so, linking the words "dignity" with "resignation" and raising the expectations bar on Bush**.

Please read the entire post, instead of just the title.

Thanks. :hi:

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

91. It's like saying, "C'mon Junior**, prove your 'dignity'"...

..."Go on, resign. I dare ya." <LOL>

He won't resign. QED, to our families and friends see that he has no dignity.

NGU.

[Little Star]

101. He can't even

spell dignity never mind have any. But your right he should resign.

[ClassWarrior]

103. Hey, welcome to DU!

NGU.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

102. I like it

I'll bring this up just to watch a RW'ers blood boil.

[ClassWarrior]

106. kick for the weekday crowd...

:kick:

NGU.

[LittleClarkie]

107. Kicked again

for the gang

[ClassWarrior]

108. Say it with me!!

(No, not the Exclusive Company... LOL)

NGU.

[LittleClarkie]

109. If Bush had any dignity... but he doesn't... and that's the whole point.

Reminding people what a decent person would do, and that Bush ain't doing it.

[rhett o rick]

111. The people you are aiming that at, won't get it. I appreciate what you

are trying to say/do, but those that support Bush see no wrong doing. They think George has the best interest of the Country in mind and the ends justify the means. A little obstruction of justice is just business as usual in Washington. Now if sex was involve, you might get their attention.

[rhett o rick]

113. If the point is to win over the public or undermine his support, may i

suggest a 2 x4 between the eyes would be more effective. In 2004 59 million people should have been able to figure it out but they didn't.

[ClassWarrior]

114. Thanks for another "give up" post!!

:hi: How many is that today??

NGU.

[rhett o rick]

118. What have i said today to indicate that i am for giving up? Damn, i believ

e in just the opposite. I just don't believe in giving up principles to "win over" some nitwit republicans. I know some republicans and they will stick with Bush until the end of time. I think we should try to win over some Democrats that think we should give in, move to the right to "win over" republicans. I think we should stick to our principles to the death. I resent that you would accuse me of giving up because i think the republicans are a bunch of chuckle-heads.

[ClassWarrior]

120. When did I ever say I was targeting this talking point at Republican...

..."chuckle-heads," to use your words?

Anyone with half a brain knows that there are some people we'll never convince. Does that mean there's no point in trying to sow doubt in the minds of the ones we CAN?

NGU.

[WI_DEM]

115. it's obvious he has no dignity

[ClassWarrior]

116. Exactly. Ergo, resign. So start passing it on please...

NGU.