Culture of Corruption: Rummy's making million$ on bird flu scare.

[electropop]

Fortune magazine is reporting that Rummy holds "between 5 and 25 million dollars" stock in the company that holds the patent on Tamiflu. The company whose stock went up 30% following a $58 million order from the Pentagon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. He has stock in Roche Labs

The ameircan company has not had the patent licenced yet,


Oh and check this, from the WHO

http://www.who.int/csr/resources/publications/influenza/WHO_CDS_CSR_GIP_05_8-EN.pdf

Is the WHO part of the scare?

you may do well to EDUCATE yourself and differentiate betweeen the science and the hype (which busbco is pushign for other reasons, can you say martial law? I knew you could)

[electropop]

3. Actually, it's Gilead - Roche is a licensee.

But Gilead gets 10% of every order; e.g. 5.8 million when Rummy ordered a batch for the Pentagon.

And yeah, Bush is not being very subtle about his desire to use the flu scare as an excuse for martial law. We need to impeach him and fast.

[callady]

5. That's correct

Gilead gave up its marketing rights to Roche.

Rummy was Chairman of the Board at Gilead from 1997-2001.

Don't forget his position at Searle- It's all connected.

Rummy has a enormous fortune invested in pharma stocks.

He's a psycopath.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. hmm Gilead is gettng the licence

and will build a plant in the states

Tamiflu is made by Roche, they did the research

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/27/news/international/roche_tamiflu.reut/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001139.html

Now that said, I don't doubt Rummy is looking for a bidness oportunity, but the bird flu is real and so far it has killed 122 people... it has NOT made as of yet an efifient human to human transfer.

This is PER the World Health Organiation.

Try to separate the hype from the bush administration (their plan will make many a developing world country look stellar), from the reality of it ok.

[Matariki]

16. 122 people worldwide is NOT an epidemic. or even cause for alarm

complications from the common cold, or allergies to asperin probably kill more people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Once it makes the jump to human to human transmision

I am sure you have heard of patient zero... if that patient infects enough folks, who get on international flights, you will have multiple clusters

1918 started with 20 troops who were sick... tell me exactly where that ended, and the world was far larger, as in travel times were far longer.

Epidiemology 101, once you get your clusters infection rates from host to new host become exponential... hence epidemic... thuis is why it is critical to isolate those patients and those clusters

[slybacon9]

27. wow, sleep tight everybody...

um, good nite?

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. sleeping very well thank you

I understand the science and make a point of checking the people responsible for checking on this regularly... Goodgle world health organization and become familiar with the site

;-)

Now tonight I am having problems for other reasons, going to sleep that is...

[slybacon9]

29. you are totally right...

i guess i get so overwhelmed with All This Stuff Over Here and don't think I can handle anymore.

At this point the bird flu seems so far away. Partly cuz i want it to be. I just spent all this time learning about how government works... finally! And now i gotta look at biology?? Oy. I should have just waited to go to high school til now....

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. Information is power

now if and when the WHO issues any kind of advisory on human to human transmision, time to get a tad worried...

If they do, and they are able to produce the vaccine fast enough and isolate clusters before it goes exponential... we will do well. That is the operative word.

If

That is why China bothers me since last year they actually hid SARS..

Just pay attention, and separate the hype from the facts... you will be fine... and if we should have a bad flu season staying away from crowded spaces or staying home when sick is still a common practice, bird flu or no bird flu.

:-)

[electropop]

31. No, Gilead is a small biotech company that developed it.

They are involved in a dispute with Roche right now because they don't feel Roche has marketed the drug well enough, ramped up production quickly enough, etc.

The part that pisses me off (apart from what in my opinion is partially hype about the scare) is Rummy's ordering the Pentagon to buy the product. Conflict of interest, and also Tamiflu is useless against the H5N1 strains isolated so far in Viet Nam.

[Matariki]

13. goddammit i hate pdf files

computer freezes for minutes. nice to have a warning.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. sorry for that

[callady]

2. Gilead

Biotech Co. in CA.

Trades on NASDAQ

Largest shareholder- Donald Rumsfeld

[libhill]

4. Avian flu:

fucking Bushco scam -

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. so the WHO is in rummy's back pocket too?

Get informed and separate the hype from the reality...

Notice did not tell you to go to the CDC, but google WHO and Avian Inluenza

you may even find the strategic advisory on this thread

[libhill]

9. I still think it's an over hyped scam -

Any time the Bush Admin. gets their ass in a crack, it's scare tactic time. They've cried wolf too many times for me, you believe what you like.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. learn to distinguish between bush

and his hype and the science

This is real... it can happen this year, it can happen next year...it is like preparing for a hurricane... most of the time it seems like it is overblown to you... but every so often the law of averages catches up.

1918 is just the best known case.... but so far we have 122 people dead...

[libhill]

14. We have 2,000 and counting

war dead from Bushco and his illegal war - I'm much more concerned about that, than I am with this Avian flu scare. And the total deaths from Avian flu world wide so far, are a far cry from the epidemic of 1918. Google WSWS.ORG for a GOOD article on this whole Avian Flu scare. Just an excuse for the Bushies to declare martial law.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. As I said learn to distinguish

one thing is what bush and cronies do or say, another what WHO says...

What should you do?

Keep an eye on WHO

DON'T PANIC (but that one you are in danger of becoming a flat earther)

Make sure you wash your hands this winter, no, not bird flu, just your garden variety flu

Keep your eye on the ball

And I will remind you, the 1918 Epidemic started at Ft Riley KS... with what epidemiologists call today Patient zero, and a small cluster. If the army had listened to the Medical Corp, the 1918 epidemic might have never happened. What was their recommendation? Quarantine the fort.

Now I understand you are going, but SARS... only reason why it did not become a larger crisis and WHO has been trying to get gov'ments to take this seriously since 1995, was the people who needed to pay attention did. You might remember that they issued a travel advisory for Toronto that lasted five days... best case... everybody who absolutely has to pay attention does, and they find Patient zero, and stop it... before it becomes a real problem... and like any hurricane people will scream why should I listen? Katrina should be a good reminder for you on the laws of averages.

As to the war, I can multi task and pay attention to more than one thing at the same time. Why can't you?

[libhill]

20. I do -

distinguish between serious isssues which I should concern myself about, and Bushista propaganda. You should visit World Socialist Web Site.org, to get the real take on this. It's just an excuse for the Bushistas to declare martial law.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. So you think the WHO is in their pocket

let me tell you something, this is amazing planning on the part of the WHO for their first warnings started in... drum roll 1995... it has taken this long to get the US government to even start paying attention. Well actually the CDC under Clinton was... but these boys... their plan flies in the face of recommendations by Epdiomologists...

Take it for what you want... but this discussion is over... there is no amount of information that I can give you to prove that this is not hype (just how bush is handling it, that is the hype, and bad hype not to mention terrible planning which is on purpose)

I'd rather educate people so they can distinguish the hype (and there is plenty from the US Government) from the reality... but I see I cannot be rational with you, so this conversation is over. (And if and most importantly WHEN the real deal shows up, you cannot claim that people did not attempt to educate you, operative word, attempt... yuo should be happy to know though that our chances are slightly higher than they were last year, but not much higher yet... they will increase as the virus mutates)

[libhill]

25. Whatever -

if you feel you have to be hostile, then you bet this discussion is over - I meant you no offense, I was voicing my opinion. Sorry if you take it otherwise. Have a nice day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I have not been hostile

I gave you information and you are telling me this is hype, It is NOT...

Moreoer the information I gave to you is SCIENTIFIC, the World Socialist Web is ingoring the science, just as the fundies ingore global warming

[LonelyLRLiberal]

7. I think I have seen other threads on this, but nominating.

Explains a lot, doesn't it?

[Mojorabbit]

11. Latest from promed

Look how many people Thailand has under observation

Viet Nam
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(latest report 29 Oct 2005)
Bird to human reported cases: 67 with 23 deaths
WHO-confirmed cases: 64 cases with 21 deaths
Note: Human-to-human infection reported as possible. (WHO has stated
that human-to-human transmission is possible in some past cases, but
limited. CDC states that details on possible past human-to-human
cases are still under investigation.)

Indonesia
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(latest report 24 Oct 2005)
Bird-to-human reported cases: 85 cases with 9 deaths
WHO-confirmed cases: 7 cases with 4 deaths
Note: Human-to-human infection: none reported or confirmed. As of 6
Oct 2005, the Indonesian Health Ministry reported 80 unconfirmed
cases; (a few were diagnosed later as typhoid fever, but the status
of the others is unknown).

Thailand
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(latest report 31 Oct 2005)
Bird-to-human reported cases: 3 cases with one death
WHO-confirmed cases: 3 cases and one death
Note: Human-to-human infection: one case with one death suspected.
There are press reports of 34 villagers (Kalasin districts) under
close surveillance (31 Oct 2005) and 1369 people under observation
(30 Oct 2005).

Cambodia
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(latest report 19 Apr 2005)
Bird-to-human: 4 cases with 4 deaths
WHO-confirmed: 4 cases with 4 deaths
No human-to-human infection reported

China
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(as of 27 Oct 2005)
No cases reported, but the WHO has asked for more testing of 2 fatal
cases in Hunan province that were reported as not being H5N1 cases.
On 28 Oct 2005, the WHO requested China to provide more test data.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. China is the one that worries me

more than Thailand

Sars... just the memory of how they tried to hide it is amazing to me

[Mojorabbit]

15. I know

it worries me the most too.
Also Still waiting for Canada's test results. Was supposed to possibly come out today but did not. Mess for the poultry industry both there and here if it is positive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. missed that one

Canada has a possible hit?

(Will have to keep the birdies away from any strange parrots visiting...hell I have not taken them to the vet and will not until this is over)

[Mojorabbit]

21. Yep

Several provinces. Seven hundred something birds with I think 24% testing positive for H5. Still waiting to see if it is the H5N1, which if they tested these birds in Aug they should already know....
I have two chickens in a huge pen outside which are pets but the thing that I am most worried about is my African Grey. He is my baby and is eight years old. I would hate for anything to happen to him.
A link
http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/13059825.htm

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. ah poop samples most likely

from what I am readying, those according to WHO take longer... they prefer blood...

Well I will keep my kids as safe as I can (sun conure, she is five and a teen, cockatiel he is 17 and a character and our Nanday, 14 and a bird... yep he knows he is a parrot)