Physical evidence they planned the war well before 9/11

[garybeck]

this map was drawn up in Vice President Cheney's secret "Energy Task Force" meetings. It was released as a result of a FOIA request.

Why would they be looking at maps of the oil fields in Iraq at this meeting?


(dated March 2001)

this is physical evidence of a conspiracy.

more info:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.b_pr.shtml

[IkeWarnedUs]

1. All the evidence we need

Can be found here:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[LunaC]

2. "The map is not a map - it's a plan"

Excerpt from PNAC 101 - Rise of the Neocons

"The Iraq map is not a map, it's a plan

"There are several areas marked 'earmarked for production sharing' (look at the map legend), which means privatized oil fields. Iraq did not have privatized oil fields and production sharing agreements before the US took it over.

"There are also parcels marked on the Iraq oil field and exploration map (numbered 'Block 1' through '9'). Iraq did not have an active, privatized oil exploration program going on before it was conquered by the US.

"If you read the footnotes and entire contents of the other documents, there is a heavy emphasis on business concerns, such as contracts and vendors over items one might think would be more important in a government discussion, such as capacity, long term
reserves, etc...

"One footnote (in UAEOilProj.pdf) even contains investment advice for the participants at the meeting, suggesting opportunities in downstream projects, such as power desalination and pipeline projects.

"These are not 'just maps'.

[5X]

3. Recommending. n/t

[Igel]

4. For the same reason as they looked at oilfield

maps for the UAE and Sa'udi Arabia.

What--you didn't hear we invaded them?

[Bridget Burke]

8. Gosh, what else happened at the meeting?

Since you were there, obviously.

[Jackpine Radical]

9. The Saudis are on the list

after their usefulness is diminished., After Iran.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. What are the Blocks? Exploration leasing blocks?

[sabra]

6. Have you read Crossing the Rubicon: by Michael Ruppert?

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/

[LiberalEsto]

7. During the Vietnam war I saw a similar map

divvying up Vietnam's offshore oil exploration fiels among Exxon, Shell, etc.
I always wondered if that was the real, secret reason for Vietnam.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. When I was in Cam Ranh on my way to R&R in Australia, I got drunk

with some PA&E oil geologists who told me about what they were finding out there in the South China Sea. That was 1968. They said there is one HELLUVA lot of oil out there. Still untapped, AFAIK. I guarantee China knows about it & will get it as soon as prices hit $150-180/bbl. Until then, they're content to help use up the rest of the world's reserves.

[phusion]

11. Vietnam has oil?

Offshore? That's news to me...

That could explain some things, no?

[Inland]

16. Well, who it belongs to is a question.

The Chinese and Vietnamese are in a roil. Nobody knows exactly where the reserves are, or how much they are, but they have had a dispute over the seas for at least a couple of decades.

[Blue Meany]

19. In one of Eisenhower's speeches

he argued that we could not afford to let Vietnam's oil, tungsten and rubber resources go to the communists. Both oil and rubber were important to the outcome of World War II, but especially oil. The Nazi war machine's need for oil prompted their catastrophic drive to the Caucusus and the fact that they were running out of oil was a big factor in turning the tide of the war in Europe (Nazi officers were reduced to using horses for transportation in the last few months of the war). As WWII general, Eisenhower would have been acutely aware of the strategic importance of these resources, so I think that your suspicion about these being a major factor in the Vietnam war is correct.

[LiberalEsto]

20. Thanks for your comments!

What Eisenhower said is extremely interesting.

I've always wondered about the real reasons for launching wars, as opposed to the patriotic pro-democracy, anti-Communicst, anti-terrorist rhetoric. In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan, the real reason, oil and a planned oil pipeline, are pretty obvious.

The so-called reason for Vietnam -- the Domino theory and the effort to control the spread of Communism -- always seemed superficial to me.

But if you examine a country's resources -- oil, uranium, strategic location, etc., -- the secret reasons for a war begin to emerge.

[burythehatchet]

12. I wouldn't make that assumption based on this map.

First of all, if its been released then it was released for a purpose. Second, this map can be explained in many ways. I KNOW for sure that the implications are all accurate, but this, I fear is a red herring.

[gulfcoastliberal]

13. Fascists

I hate em!

[indepat]

15. Give credit for a job well done: is even one element of classic fascism

missing from the stew they have concocted for us? Enough to make one wonder why the idolatrous masses can't see it for what it is. Maybe they look only to getting the job done, and how is of no consequence.

[Ksec]

14. Cheney stood ,with the smoldering WTC behind him

and proclaimed Iraq and Saddam had done the attack , as I said in another thread.

He used 911 like a two bit hooker. Thats when I knew their plan had been implemented /

[Inland]

17. Oh, it's not even a question it was on the "to-do" list.

whether it was for oil, for a base, or just to find some country to beat up, Iraq was always a big fat target. Not because it was dangerious, but because it was weak and available. All the adventurers, for whatever their personal goal, saw invading Iraq as the next step.

[petgoat]

18. 60% of the world's oil reserves are in a space the size of Kansas

says Mike Ruppert, and that map shows where they are.