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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:42 AM
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Antiwar Sermon Brings IRS Warning
The Internal Revenue Service has warned one of Southern California's largest and most liberal churches that it is at risk of losing its tax-exempt status because of an antiwar sermon two days before the 2004 presidential election.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-allsaints7nov07,0,842003.story?track=hpmostemailedlink
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:43 AM
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1. Oh my
Have any Conservative churches recieved similar warnings?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:47 AM
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4. Makes you wonder huh?
What about the guy who threatened to expel members of his church if they didn't vote for bush? I think it was in the southeast.

And besides that, how can you be all for Jesus and love war? My guess is that the right will tell us that "under certain circumstances" was is correct. For the most part, I recall something about turning the other cheek, loving thine enemy, and forgiving those who have sinned against us.

Apparently, it's enough to say you love Jesus, you don't actually have to believe any of that other shit.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:46 AM
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2. So then the IRS will go after the Catholic churches that put prop 73
flyers in their weekly bulletins?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1906347&mesg_id=1906347

It's one thing to say "abortion is bad, mmm'kay?" ...It's quite another to support a ballot proposition.
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Todd B Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:47 AM
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3. So...
Having a sermon that is anti-war risks losing your tax exempt status, but refusing to offer communion to church goers if they plan to vote for John Kerry is fine and dandy.

Wtf?

Anti-war/Pacifism is *far* more in line with the church teachings, anyhow.. what is the problem?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:49 AM
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5. So can we now site this as precedent when we go after RW churches?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:53 AM
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6. Did you read DU yesterday - paraphrased - DU couple comes home
from Catholic Mass where the priest turned over a portion of the middle of the mass to a woman who sets up a screen and everyone watches a pro-life film. (I hope I didn't misstate this - there was more detail in the writer's story.)

Liberal congregatioans are warned by the IRS?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:57 AM
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7. Big surprise that it's anti-war sermons they go after
cuz the conservative churches NEVER discuss anything remotely close to politics ...
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:58 AM
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8. dupe
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:15 AM
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9. Yet the righteous wing can shout politics from the rafters and
NOTHING?
The church I attended turned my name over to the republican party and they got nothing.
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Justyce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:27 AM
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10. I don't think speaking
against war is technically the same as directly naming which candidate to vote or not vote for, and most churches weren't afraid to demand their members vote for bush yet they didn't even get a slap on the hand... geez
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:38 AM
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11. For the Record: What 'tax exempt' churches can and cannot do
this is a repost from a post i made during 7/04 ... it provides the exact IRS interpretation of the law:

We've had plenty of discussion on DU about whether bush/cheney have stepped over the line by soliciting campaign support from tax exempt churches ... they have !!! Here is the IRS position on exactly what the current law allows tax exempt organizations to do and exactly what it prohibits ...

On 6/10/04, the IRS issued the following guidance to religious institutions and political parties as to what conduct was and was not allowed by tax exempt religious institutions (section 501(c)(3) organizations). Note the key line in the letter: Under the law, organizations described in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code that are exempt from federal income tax are prohibited from directly or indirectly participating or intervening in any political campaign on behalf of, or in opposition to, any candidate for public office.

source: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=123922,00.htm...

IRS Issues Letter on Exempt Organizations

IR-2004-79, June 10, 2004

WASHINGTON — In a letter sent today to national political parties, the Internal Revenue Service reissued guidance regarding political activities by tax-exempt organizations, including churches. The letter supplements information contained in a news release issued by the IRS on April 28th of this year. The IRS has issued a similar news release in each presidential election year since 1992.

“We are sending the letters because we want to ensure that the political committees and the candidates they support understand the rules,” said IRS Commissioner Mark W. Everson. “As Congress considers changes to the law in this area, it is important that political organizations keep in mind the requirements of existing law. Today’s guidance does not represent a change in the rules or a change in how the IRS will administer the law in this area.”

Under the law, organizations described in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code that are exempt from federal income tax are prohibited from directly or indirectly participating or intervening in any political campaign on behalf of, or in opposition to, any candidate for public office. Charities, educational institutions and religious organizations, including churches, are among those that are tax-exempt under this code section.

If the IRS finds a section 501(c)(3) organization engaged in prohibited campaign activity, the organization could lose its tax-exempt status and be subject to an excise tax on the amount of money spent in that activity.

The political campaign prohibition as it applies to churches is discussed in Publication 1828, Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations. This publication, along with other information about the political campaign prohibition, is available on this Web site.

Related Items:

Letter on political activity of 501(c)(3) organizations
(http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/eo_letter.pdf )
Pub. 1828 (PDF 1.3M) — Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations
(http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf )
IR-2004-59 — Charities May Not Engage In Political Campaign Activities (http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=122887,00.htm... )

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Additional info from the IRS:


source: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/eo_letter.pdf

<snip>

Whether a tax-exempt charitable organization is engaging in prohibited political campaign activity depends upon all the facts and circumstances in each case. For example, organizations may encourage people to participate in the electoral process by sponsoring debates or forums to educate voters, distributing voter guides, or conducting
voter registration or get-out-the-vote drives.

If the debate or forum, voter guide, or voter registration or get-out-the-vote drive shows a preference for or against a certain candidate or party, however, it becomes a prohibited activity. Thus, under Federal law tax-exempt charitable organizations are prohibited from endorsing any candidates, making donations to their campaigns, engaging in fund-raising, distributing statements, or becoming involved in any other activities that may be beneficial or detrimental to any candidate. Even activities that encourage people to vote for or against a particular candidate on the basis of nonpartisan criteria violate the political campaign prohibition of section 501(c)(3).

The federal courts have upheld this prohibition on political campaign activity, most recently in Branch Ministries v. Rossotti, 211 F.3d 137 (D.C. Cir. 2000). The courts have held that it is not unconstitutional for the tax law to impose conditions, such as the
political campaign prohibition, upon exemption from federal income tax. The prohibition on political campaign activity applies only to tax-exempt charitable organizations, not to the activities of individuals in their private capacity. The political campaign activity prohibition is not intended to restrict free expression on political matters by leaders of charitable organizations, including churches, speaking for themselves, as individuals. Nor are leaders prohibited from speaking about important issues of public policy.

However, for their organizations to remain tax-exempt under
section 501(c)(3), leaders cannot make partisan comments in official organization publications or at official organization functions, including official church publications and functions. Similarly, the prohibition on political campaign activity does not prohibit charitable organizations from having contact of any kind with individuals who are candidates for public office.

Depending on the facts and circumstances, a charitable organization, such as a church, may invite political candidates to speak at its events without jeopardizing its tax-exempt status. A charitable organization may invite political candidates to speak in their capacity as candidates if the organization takes steps to ensure that:
• It provides an equal opportunity to other political candidates seeking the same office,
• It does not indicate any support of or opposition to any candidate, and 3
• No political fund-raising occurs.

A charitable organization may invite a political candidate to speak in his or her individual (non-candidate) capacity if the organization takes steps to ensure that:
• The candidate speaks only in a non-candidate capacity,
• Neither the candidate nor any representative of the organization makes any mention of the election or candidacy of the individual, and
• No campaign activity occurs in connection with the candidate’s attendance.

If the IRS finds a section 501(c)(3) organization engaged in prohibited campaign activity, the organization could lose its tax-exempt status and it could be subject to an excise tax on the amount of money spent on that activity.
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Rev_Harvey_McKank Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:46 AM
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12. My congregation is not afraid...
The lord shall allow us to see light in these dark days and to spread the righteous message:

FW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:49 AM
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13. Welcome to DU, Rev_Harvey!
:hi:
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:51 AM
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14. Was "the war" running for office?
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:53 AM
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15. I suppose no conservative churches were warned that asking....
the congregation to pray for a bush victory might cost them their status?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:54 AM
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16. chuch loses tax-exempt status for preaching 6th commandment
'thou shalt not kill'
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:56 AM
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17. Very sad

I don't think anyone in the government should "go after" churches, right wing, left wing or whatever. Until someone is inciting others to go commit crimes I think whatever is spoken from the pulpit should be free of government attention.

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