We need to forgive Dems that regain their senses,

[Joe for Clark]

Any Dem that "comes home" and refutes the "stupid war", I forgive.

I equally forgive any Repug that does, I just don't think there will be many.

I have lost from this stupid war - but even I will forgive the mistake, as long as they do the right thing now.

We need to do the right thing now.

Joe

[sepia_steel]

1. Well said.

This 'too late' mentality is crippling.

[Teaser]

2. agreed.

I don't need them to crawl.

[SledDriver]

3. Dems OK...

But Repugs...? I don't know.

"Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again"
I think that's an old Texas saying, or something.

[Joe for Clark]

9. Just a label

I do not care about labels.

I think there are some Repugs that know better. Not too many, but some.

I do not see how anyone could listen to Jay Rockafellar and not believe he deeply regrets his decision.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

It is not too late. I forgive them. And I am a pretty harsh judge about this stupid war.

Joe

[WiseButAngrySara]

4. K & R. I suggested that Will Pitt write another letter(s) of support

for all Dems who now admit their mistake. The mistake is too grave to argue over 'too little, too late' statements. Our men and women and innocent Iraqis are still dying.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. I say leave that up to the families of those who died for nothing

but lies.

[Inland]

8. I'll let them make their own decision. But I'll get over it.

Me, I understand how the mistake was made.

[wtmusic]

14. no kidding

My forgiveness means nothing.

[SoFlaJet]

6. hey I'm a democrat

regardless-the lesser of two evils thing and all

[MisterP]

7. "as long as they do the right thing now"--AND IN THE FUTURE

apologies can be insincere, especially with primaries coming up shortly

[Inland]

10. contrition, plus penance, plus correction

Well, i'm not going to insist on the hairshirt. But the other two, definitely.

[wtmusic]

11. What does forgiving them mean?

Supporting them in the future? Have to think long and hard about that one.

[Tatiana]

12. I agree. We need to forgive them.

Forgive them so that they can let go of their guilt and join the fight against this Imperial regime in earnest. Forgiving does not necessarily mean forgetting. Me must remember so that we are never led down such a treacherous pathway again.

[Justice Is Comin]

13. Especially if they're on the intelligence committee.

I'm more excited about that than anything I can think of.

[Der Blaue Engel]

15. I agree

And that includes acknowledging those who have been refuting the stupid war. For instance, Kerry said "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" about a billion times in 2004, yet people still insist on claiming he's pro-war because of the IWR vote.

I think we should also show the Dems we support them when they do speak out against the war, whether by letters, or money, or simply in the voting booth.

:thumbsup:

[glarius]

16. Don't you think the Dems were caught in a sort of unescapable trap by

circumstances beyond their control?...What I mean is they would look "unpatriotic" because of 9/11 if they didn't go along with giving Bush the power to go to war....By the time everyone realized the reason for war was a bunch of lies, they had all committed themselves...Perhaps I don't understand the situation, but that's how it looks to me....:shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. "You're either with us or you're against us."

"You're unpatriotic if you don't support this war." "If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops." They (repukes) all wrapped themselves in the flag. ALL that right after 911 when the entire country was in a frenzy. Now it looks like they have proof positive that what they were fed was all LIES. I hope they're pissed as hell about it. Harry Reid is. Maybe if they're mad enough, they will FIGHT these bastards.

[pearl]

25. I Agree

This is a "Come to Jesus moment" and we need unity,
as much as possible to beat these bastards.

[jody]

17. I know several Repugs who've returned from Iraq and now reject the

"stupid war". We need to unite without regard to political party and begin an organized retreat from Iraq.

Once we are out, we can return to partisan fighting over other issues.

[Joe for Clark]

24. In troys unit, I believe it was about 2-1 against "W"

It says so much more than words can say.

I was praying for those military votes to come in last year.

It is about the war - it has always been about the war.

I hope and believe that next year the "Rs" lose power in congress. And at that point everything is possible. I do not believe any president deserves impeachment more than this moron.

And in between, I take comfort in the reality that this idiot will never get a war resolution thru congress.

So it is really a waiting game - as long as we do not screw up.

It is a sad commentary that as of now - the moderates are actually held as liberals and the liberals are "off the charts"

In fact, the only thing I take comfort in is the fact that true liberals and true conservatives agree about the central issues of our day. If not, I think we go to hell, do not pass go.

But I am a christian person, and I do not believe God will let us go so quietly into the night. There are MANY christian LIBERALS.

That is why we win in the end.

Joe

[jody]

27. IMO True Christians and True Liberals agree except some Liberals

might have other religious beliefs or none at all. Why should the religious issue prevent us from joining together in practicing the Golden Rule in this life?

[Joe for Clark]

19. These morons,

They almost got my kid killed in the "stupid war". And frankly, one of his friends - a boy that used to come to my house playing guitar - died over there with no ceremony.

So in the same breath I might accept a Hagel saying "mistake" - I accept every single Dem that does the right thing now. No questions.

Best argument for a third party since Teddy Roosevelt.

I have supported the Dems over thick and thin my whole life - and they better do the right thing now. The moral thing, the christian thing. If they do not - they are no better than the bastards that did this thing.

I think Clark probably averted a third world war with his book - made a lot of people think. I think Howard Dean proved his worth here, too.

But I will accept any Dem that does the right thing now.

And if they do not, I'd say "A plague on both your houses"

Too many of OUR kids died, too many more will.

This has to stop. I understand Ciney will not support Hillary unless she "renounces the war" - AND SHE IS RIGHT.

I am listening to her.

Joe

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

20. One codicil to "forgiveness"

They must stand in a public forum and call for *bush's immediate impeachment. Loudly and unequivocally. Looking the camera (AND the world) in the eye.

And then follow through and actually work to introduce a bill of impeachment.

Forgiveness is earned by deeds, not by a moment of grovelling.

[Joe for Clark]

21. No codicile,

Picture your enitire graduation class from high school - dead.

And it could get SO much worse.

About four hundred thousand, maybe five hundred thousand PARENTS that brought a child in the world are so f--king mad right now.

Maybe it is not in the news, but we are indeed listening to Cindy.

This is not political. It is about right and wrong.

No deals with the devil - just do the right thing.

Joe

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. I'll forgive the Dems that regain their senses, the repugs can go

Cheney themselves. There is a lot more the about the repugs that I can not forgive besides the war issue. Sorry for your loss from this invasion. :hug:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. I'll forgive them but I won't vote for them.

[Joe for Clark]

26. There is one other thing,

I am old now - so I forget.

There was an over ridding concept when I grew up as a Catholic. That "What ever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me".

I am older now - but I know, the Quakers and MANY others believe the same.

I laughed my ass off when I heard "W" was meeting the pope.

If that asshole is counting on christian voters, he is in a lot of trouble.

We as a country need to show him the "error of his way".

I am confident we will do so. I think there are 60 million of us CCD voters that think the same - and so many protestants do think the same. God bless them.

I think 2006 is one of those years "Rs" will regret. Lets show them the "errors of their ways"

Joe