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[diplomats]

1. This could be part of a counter-attack

But I agree it's a long process. However, Tenet's testimony seemed somewhat explosive, and we must not forget the other issues dogging Bush: the bad economy, the huge deficit, the admission of Iraq now being a guerrilla war, and the airing of discontent by our troops there.

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[nostamj]

the soldiers and their families got the mileage today

and the context of LIEGATE made it all the more poignant. net gain.

Rove has to deal with increasing SYNERGY between these stories now and more...

9/11 is coming. ANYTHING GOES.

it's exactly what he used...

[Terwilliger]

3. I used to believe in god too

:shrug:

[diplomats]

4. This could be part of a counter-attack

But I agree it's a long process. However, Tenet's testimony seemed somewhat explosive, and we must not forget the other issues dogging Bush: the bad economy, the huge deficit, the admission of Iraq now being a guerrilla war, and the airing of discontent by our troops there.

[Cha]

I guess it depends on what happens over in Iraq. How many more

are going to die? And the Soldiers themselves are speaking out and getting into trouble for it from the new Commanding Officer.

The media is still protecting bush but not all of it, I'm glad to see!

But it will probably go until the bloody end...2005! :kick:

[nostamj]

5. the soldiers and their families got the mileage today

and the context of LIEGATE made it all the more poignant. net gain.

Rove has to deal with increasing SYNERGY between these stories now and more...

9/11 is coming. ANYTHING GOES.

it's exactly what he used...

[Cha]

8. ???????

[w13rd0]

6. Reality...

...ain't what it used to be...

[Sushi_lover]

7. We're not out of gas. I see acceleration.

The troops families are just getting started.
The CIA is pissed.
Congress is getting braver.
The press is getting braver.

Sadly, the deaths in Iraq seem to be picking up too.

I think this administration is about to crash.

[annagull]

9. I noticed that last night

aaron Brown had wifebeater John Fund on talking about overreaching (imagine!) by the Dems, and Tweety gave it to Kucinich althought he did keep up the Ted Baxter talk. Before all this about the SOTU broke, though his poll numbers were coming down and more people thought of Iraq as a failure. The soldiers are still getting shot at and it's costing us a billion a week to boot. The important thing (to me) is that the seed of doubt and discontent has been planted, and with Americans being such a negative society, it will be hard to prune.

[NJCher]

10. "It's just politics..."

That's actually a compliment to the Dems. It assumes they care enough to debate, something we've wondered about over the past disastrous two years.



Cher

[Rick Myers]

11. When Repugs ask questions it's called PATRIOTISM

When Dems ask questions it's called POLITICAL POSTURING!

People, we must find a way to take back our FLAG!!! We cannot let these corporate parasites destroy OUR NATION!!!

:grr:

[Walt Starr]

12. You may be right

but I think you are probably wrong.

I think this is the tip of the iceberg and they really have nothing more than a pile of documents talking about WMD programs that were ended by 1998.

[welshTerrier2]

13. the veil of invincibility

has been punctured ... the maxim that it is unpatriotic to criticize bush while we're at war is dead ...

the reality is that bush has no second act ... he has no second act in Iraq, that's for sure ... what a mess ... just how does he plan to spin that one?? how many more aircraft carriers do you think he can appear on during the 2004 campaign? he wouldn't dare !!! not with troops still dying in Iraq on a daily basis ... mission accomplished indeed ... he's destroyed his chance at a second term ....

and what about the "next war" strategy? it's hard to believe that even our timid democrats will feel compelled to bow to bush on the next one ...

the economy? that won't save him ... even with some type of anemic recovery before the election, millions will still be out of work ...

all the mileage we're getting for now? i think it's pretty good mileage ... and i think it's far from ending ... even as bush lines up his scapegoats, there is still the flow of american blood in Iraq ... even if the lies can never be proved, the justification for war grows weaker every day ... our soldiers are dying ... and it's costing us more than $4 billion a month ... and what have we won? the post-9/11 patriotism is fading ... and the folly of bush's invasion grows clearer and clearer to anyone who even gives the issue a casual glance ...

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[Qutzupalotl]

14. Even if they DO find weapons

How do they explain the LYING? The several different stories floating around about who knew what when. There is NO excuse not to be upfront about this. They're hiding something, and it's big.

[Lexingtonian]

15. Act II

will come after a lull, but on the whole it's not going to get much better for the Bush folk. More scandals, more viciousness, more Bushie retreats.

[Q]

18. I think you're watching a different play

- Act I : 2000 election fraud

- Act II : 9-11

- Act III : Bush* lies about WMD and the Iraqi threat.

- After each of these acts there was an 'intermission' where the media and Democratic party agree to 'move on' and turn a blind eye to Bushie corruption and malfeasance.

- Expect ACT IV to look just the same.

[aquart]

17. There's been a lot to digest.

If too much comes out at once, people just push away from the table.

Let them digest this.

Our army won't be happy anytime soon, and that is a case of gangrene on the presidency.

(I have no shame about mixing metaphors. There are plenty to go around.)

None of this is going away. All of it is going to get worse.

[DODI]

19. Remember, 9/11 Report is due out soon.

Take heart. It ain't over til the fat lady sings. Nixon won re-election and was still booted out. The end is coming.

[Q]

20. But the 9-11 'report' has been heavily edited by the WH...

...so don't expect anything incriminating to the Bushies to show up in the version shown to the public.

[Rose Siding]

21. That might be pre-emptive rain on parade!

Wasn't it just this morning that a Miami paper reported that the CIA shut down a BushCo presentation before Congress about how Syria is a "threat to the region"?

That sounds like some serious stepping up to the plate.

The media still thinks they are just along for the ride but it will ever be so. Pick a half dozen reporters each day and keep asking questions.

These guys have massive storage lockers full of skeletons and there is blood in the water.

[gottaB]

22. I've heard those comments too

but the press is generally more critical and cynical nowadays.

Here's an example from the home front. Monday night on News Hour Gwen Ifill had Joshua Bolton from Bushco and Rep. John Sprat (D) debating the budget deficit. Bolton sat there with a straight face and said the tax cuts were the smallest part of the deficit. Ifill could barely keep a straight face, but to her credit, she didn't bust out laughing. She passed it off to Sprat, who cited the undeclared costs of the war, which was like a base hit. He could of knocked that one out of the park.

What more could Ifill do?

She turned to Bolton and said "Mr. Bolten, is that the elephant in the room if you'll forgive the term that the cost of war is not included in this estimate?"

Damn, I just about fell off the futon laughing.

The way I see it, Ifill doesn't like these guys coming on her show and telling baldfaced lies to her viewers. But it's up to the Dems to get their message out and challenge the opposition. Ifill did everything she could to get these guys to debate each others' claims, and eventually the differences emerged, but most people I'm sure would have found the process soporific.

It seems like the Bushies have thier message under tight control at all levels, whereas the Dems can't quite find it in themselves to be partisan. Of course the presidential candidates are getting partisan, but the rest of the party has difficulty putting out a coherent message. There's only so much the press can do with that.