He's 15, she's 37; they're married

[CatWoman]

WTF is wrong with this woman?

The only thing a 15 year old can tell me is where to find the 40+ year olds:

Gainesville woman accused of molesting boy, 15

Associated Press

Published on: 11/14/05 A Gainesville woman has been charged with child molestation after being accused of having a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old boy.

Members of the boy's family said 37-year-old Lynnette Clark is pregnant with the boy's child and that they were married Tuesday in Dawson County.

Dawson County probate officials confirmed the Tuesday marraige but declined to provide additional comment, saying Judge Jennifer Burt — who did not marry the couple — would release a statement on the marraige at 2 p.m.

The Hall County Sheriff's Office did not immediately return a request comment Monday.

Judy Hayles, the boy's grandmother, said she received a notice of the marriage from Dawson County because she is the boy's guardian.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/1105/14woman.html

[benburch]

1. When I was 16...

I was sleeping with several women that age.

[Book Lover]

3. And then you woke up? (nm)

[WI_DEM]

4. LOL!!

[beam me up scottie]

8. *Snort!

:rofl:

[CatWoman]

9. bwahahahahahaha

:rofl:

[benburch]

10. Nope!

But when I was 20 I foolishly married somebody nearly my own age, which put an end to my extracurricular activities...

What do 40 year olds see in teenage guys? They are (or at least I was) inexhaustible in bed.

What do teenage guys see in 40 year old women? They are horny, experienced, and always on birth control.

[CatWoman]

slut!!!!!

:hi:

[benburch]

17. TOTALLY.

And now that I am older, and in a marriage where we play with others, the fact that I appreciate older women is quite a bonus. (But I am no longer as totally inexhaustible as I used to be.)

[Christa]

16. You said it

I know a guy who regularly had sex with his one schoolfriend's mum - he says it was the best he ever had. She was 22 years older than him - luckily his friend never found out.

[Arkansas Granny]

36. Not to mention, most of them have their own place and don't live

with their parents.

[mzmolly]

48. This woman apparently missed out on the Birth Control sterio type.

She's making this poor kid a father in the very near future.

I'm 40, and any woman my age who is interested in a 15 year old BOY, is not of sane mind. I might think, "he'll be handsome when he matures" but beyond that it's pretty much "how much do you charge to mow the lawn" type stuff. ;)

[FreedomAngel82]

59. I don't know

I'm twenty-three and have a crush on Fitzgerald and he's fourty-four and just four years younger than my Dad. Heh heh. In the long run though I'd rather have a guy my age who understands where I am in life and everything. I have more in common with a guy my own age than someone way older than me or way younger than me.

[leftchick]

20. lol

:rofl:

[tamtam]

57. Mm Mm Mm

You got jokes! :rofl:

[expatriot]

12. When I was 15, I had a magazine or two with many pages stuck together. nt

[benburch]

25. Same when I was 15, except for the neighbor boy I was sleeping with.

When I was 16 and could drive, it made quite a difference in my sex life.

[FreedomAngel82]

63. When I was fifteen

I liked boybands like Hanson and the Backstreet Boys. Ha.

[LincolnMcGrath]

71. lol That should get you banned from DU forever right there!

Hanson! Backstreet Boys! :evilgrin:



Mods: Tombstone her! :rofl:

[LincolnMcGrath]

24. I hear ya

Many women who wouldn't dream of letting me date their daughters were more than happy to have me do some handy-man work.

[ohio_liberal]

80. Just purely out of curiosity

Who did the seducing, you or them? Or was it a mutual thing?

[Nederland]

2. It's her body

She can do whatever she wants with it.

That's my position at least.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

5. Is that also your position if a 37 yr old man seduces a 15 yr old girl?

I wound find that quite hard to believe.

[mzmolly]

38. I totally agree. Women who take advantage of vulnerable young men

are not to be excused any more than the reverse. It's wrong for adults to sleep with kids and it's criminal. This woman also got pregnant by the child in question, which makes it even more harmful.

EGADZ!

[FreedomAngel82]

65. If both parties went along

than it would be both of their faults I think. If it was rape that's a totally different stance.

[joeybee12]

6. But he's 15--in our society that's hardly old enough to make such a

decision. She took advantage of him, pure and simple. Yeah, 15-year-old boys have strong sexual urges, but she took advantsge of him.

[Nederland]

19. That's the same argument

...that is used to justify parental consent laws regarding abortion.

[expatriot]

29. So what do you think the age of consent should be? nt

[Nederland]

34. The same as it is

...for getting an abortion.

[expatriot]

60. two different things.

Insuring reproductive rights to pregnant minors protects the child's interests free from fear of their parents or their parent's ideology. statutory rape protects a minor from potential emotional, physical, and sexual trauma that could be inflicted by a sexual predator. In both cases, the state has the interests of the child in mind. It is true, that the pressing of statutory rape charges often depends on the parents but it is not a perfect system.

[Nederland]

78. They are not different

They are both about reproductive rights. If a girl of 15 has reproductive rights, than a boy of 15 should too. Control over one's own body is control over one's own body. Period.

You claim that statutory rape laws protect minors from from potential emotional, physical, and sexual trauma that could be inflicted by a sexual predator. What protection would you offer a 15 year old girl who's boyfriend is pressuring her to get an abortion?

[TahitiNut]

90. I'd say that's a fairly persuasive position. I'm inclined to agree.

:shrug:

After all, it's "God's Will." :evilgrin:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

41. So do you think it's okay for a 37 yr old man to seduce a 15 yr old girl?

Your comparison is apples and oranges. A teenage girl could need an abortion because she was raped, possibly even by her father or another relative. Parental consent is a much different issue with regard to abortion than it is with marriage or even sex.

[Nederland]

96. Not a valid argument

All parental consent laws have exemptions for incest.

[TX-RAT]

27. She molested a child, simple as that.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Did he go along though?

If it was rape than that would be taking advantage but if he went along and didn't tell anybody or try to get help than that's his own doing's too.

[WI_DEM]

11. same with a 37 year old man having sex with a 15 year old girl?

reminds me of that Dateline special about internet predetors, all these older men who went after teenagers on the internet, except they no doubt didn't meet on the internet.

[Connie_Corleone]

13. Did you miss the part about the boy being 15 years old?

What if this was a 37 year old man marrying a 15 year old girl?

It's a crime either way.

[TX-RAT]

So you approve molesting children?

[Nederland]

21. No

I assume this was consensual. If it was not, then of course she should be punished.

[TX-RAT]

33. If it's consensual, it's not molestation? Thats your opinion?

[Nederland]

45. No

I'm hinting at the underlying issue, which is this: at what age does a person get control over their own body?

What age would you recommend?

[TX-RAT]

50. Whatever the law in your state, or my state says.

(What age would you recommend?)


18 and out of high school, hows that.

[expatriot]

35. There is a reason why they came up with "statutory rape" as a crime.

The whole idea of "childhood" and "adolescence" and being a "minior" is a realization that humans are not born socially integrated, they are not born with all the facilities to make sound judgements, that is a learned behavior and that manipulative adults can prey on children.

Now of course 18 is not a magic age either but it is a line in the sand that has to be drawn somewhere. In Europe, most countries draw it at 16.

[Nederland]

46. So

does this mean you are in favor of parental consent laws?

[TX-RAT]

56. I am, until emancipated. That age is 18 here.

[Nederland]

76. Good

Then we agree. Although I wonder what the OP would say at this point.

I should let you know that this whole thing is a rather tongue in cheek argument that was actually directed at CatWoman, not you. The subject of parental consent laws is something that she and I have disagreed about in the past. I thought I'd point out the inconsistency of saying that a 15 year old girl should have the right to decide whether or not she can have an abortion, but a 15 year old boy should not have the right to decide whether or not he wants to have sex. It seems to me that control over one's own body is control over one's own body, regardless of gender.

[tkmorris]

79. Amazing that so few seem to see that

If a person is old enough to decide for themselves to have an abortion they are most assuredly old enough to decide whether, and WITH WHOM, to have sex with.

[expatriot]

69. Parental consent to go on field trips?

Look, ideally, parents have the best interests of their children in mind and 95%+ of the time they do. That is why the state can reasonably expect parents to be "gaurdians" of their children, playing the District Attorney when it comes to adult's sexual relations with their minor children. But sometimes the child's interest may not be best looked after by the parents. Especially on decisions such as whether to abort a fetus or not. For one thing, at that moment the "child" has become a potential parent and needs to decide for him/herself whether to become a parent or not. Secondly, like a huge majority of sexual abuse occurs in the home. If a 12 year-old girl becomes pregnant there is higher chance that the man who impregnated her is either a family member or a close friend of the family than if a 19 year-old girl becomes pregnant. this is the kind of stuff the state looks at to make sure the interests of the child are considered. It is different. I have to go to work.

[CatWoman]

22. are you talking to me?

[CottonBear]

7. I saw this on the local news last night. Very disturbing.

The grandmother found out about the marriage when a copy of the marriage certificate was mailed to her (and the grandson's) house. To make the situation even worse, she then discovered that the woman is preganant by the 15 year old. :( She said that she was so upset that she threw up. Poor woman. For whatever reason, she was raising the grandson. Is it even legal for a 15 year old to get married in Georgia?

[CatWoman]

14. that's MY question

Is it even legal for a 15 year old to get married in Georgia?

[pitohui]

26. it says that it's legal at any age if the woman is pregnant

it sounds like georgia presumes that if he is old enough to seduce and impregnate a woman, he's old enough to get married

our opinions may differ on the matter, but i can't see putting a pregnant woman in prison for having sex with, er, her husband

society will not be better off nor will the future child be better off if she is jailed & labeled a child molester

if the grandmother was raising the boy, she should have provided something in the way of adult supervision during the two years when they were getting it on like bunnies apparently under her very nose

[CottonBear]

32. She is pregnant and she also has two teenaged children.

The boy met and befriended her teenage boy. That's how he met the Mom. He went over to hang out with his friend. I wonder what the children will do now? How embarraing for them. The mom was a single-parent prior to marrying the 15 year old. What a mess.

[pitohui]

74. well all teenagers are embarrassed by their mothers

at least these kids will have good reason!

[MADem]

28. Still too young, I think--if he was 16, he would have been OK

Georgia: If you are 16 or 17 years old, you may apply if accompanied by both parents who have given written consent. If the bride is pregnant, no parental consent is required if you submit a statement from a licensed physician certifying that the bride is pregnant.


http://www.coolnurse.com/marriage_laws.htm

[Solly Mack]

30. Georgia law

16 w/ parental consent. 18 w/o

e) Younger parties may obtain license in case of pregnancy or birth of child

k) Parental consent and/or permission of judge required.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/Table_Marriage.htm#e

[apnu]

31. GA law is 16 with parents consent

http://www.georgiacourts.org/courts/probate/ware/marriage.shtm

1. AGE REQUIREMENTS

SUBJECT TO PARAGRAPH 7 BELOW, THE AGE FOR MARRIAGE IN GEORGIA WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT IS 18 FOR BOTH PARTIES. (19-3-36) IF THE BRIDE OR GROOM IS 16 OR 17, THEY MAY MARRY IF THE CONSENT OF THE PARENTS OR GUARDIAN(S) OF THE UNDERAGE APPLICANT IS GIVEN. IF ONE PARENT HAS CUSTODY OF THE MINOR, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BRING IN PROOF OF CUSTODY (DIVORCE DECREE SHOWING THE CHILD’S NAME). GUARDIAN(S) ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO SHOW PROOF OF CUSTODY (GUARDIANSHIP PAPERS). THE PARENT(S) OR GUARDIAN(S) MUST APPEAR IN PERSON TO GIVE CONSENT. THERE IS NO LONGER A WAITING PERIOD. (19-3-37)

(...)

7. RESTRICTIONS

THE APPLICANTS MUST BE OF SOUND MIND AND CANNOT HAVE ANY UNDISSOLVED MARRIAGES. (19-3-2) ANY PERSON WHO MARRIES A PERSON TO WHOM HE OR SHE IS RELATED, EITHER BY BLOOD OR BY MARRIAGE, AS SET FORTH IN THIS PARAGRAPH, SHALL BE PUNISHED BY IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT LESS THAN ONE NOR MORE THAN THREE YEARS: (1) FATHER AND DAUGHTER OR STEP-DAUGHTER; (2) MOTHER AND SON OR STEP-SON; (3) BROTHER AND SISTER OF THE WHOLE BLOOD OR THE HALF BLOOD; (4) GRANDPARENT AND GRANDCHILD; (5) AUNT AND NEPHEW; OR (6) UNCLE AND NIECE. (19-3-3) MARRIAGES BETWEEN PERSONS OF THE SAME SEX ARE PROHIBITED. (19-3-3.1

[Cleita]

15. Well, I guess the 37 year old woman will have two

children to feed. I hope she has a good job.

[Bouncy Ball]

18. I didn't even know 15 year olds were allowed to get married.

WTF is right.

I'm a woman in my 30s. I see a 15 year old boy and think "child."

[apnu]

37. see my post (#31) for the GA law -- they can't

But yeah, 15 is too young boy or not. I don't know what goes through these women's heads. I've heard of a number of stories over the years where an older woman (compared to the child) has a relationship with the child. Often it involves a school teacher -- I still don't get it. When I was 15 (I'm 32 now) and I saw a woman in her 30's I thought "Old lady" and then chased after girls in my age bracket. (I still didn't get any dates tho)

[ContraBass Black]

83. I never had that stage.

From 14 to present (20), I appreciated the beauty of any woman between my age and 45 (not that I ever tried to start something with one more than three years older than me!).

[devilgrrl]

23. Isn't that Mary Jane LaTorneau's sister?

whatever... :argh:

[CatWoman]

43. er, that's "Mary Kay"

:hi:

[devilgrrl]

98. fine.

She's such a weirdo why - bother remembering her name? :hide:

[rocktivity]

44. Mary KAY LeTourneau

She is now out of jail and married the 19-year-old she started bonking when he was 12. Last I heard, there's still a custody issue with the two children they produced. But there wouldn't have been a second child if the damn judge had sentenced her long enough for him to become a legal adult.

:headbang:
rocknation

[jaysunb]

39. I'm like Ben B

When I was 16, I was doing a friends 42 year old mother. It was the best sex I ever had before or since, not to mention all the other little perks that came with it.......
She passed away a few years back at 80. Believe me, no one was crying harder than me at the funeral !

BTW, we managed to get together over the years until I was about 45, still fun, still harmless, still good !

:hi:Kitty !!

[CatWoman]

42. Slut number 2!!!!!

:hi:

[jaysunb]

49. a life long affliction .....

:rofl:

[LincolnMcGrath]

62. YOU FORGOT POLAND!

Ahem;

I was #2 actually :evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

70. I'll see your slut ass tonite!!!!

:D

[LincolnMcGrath]

72. pfft. If I had a dollar for everytime someone said that to me....

9pm CST With Bells On :D

[porphyrian]

40. I think at 15 I would've been more traumatized...

...by being a father than by having sex with a 40 year old. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Part of me feels like this should be considered child molestation. Another part of me feels that maybe boys and girls should be treated differently in cases like this. In the end I suppose I have a problem with this for the following reason: the boy is likely too young to know what the hell he wants and is being victimized by an adult who has persuaded him into marriage and fatherhood before he can even fucking vote. This can't end well.

[Bouncy Ball]

47. I think either way, boy or girl, it's wrong for an adult to

take sexual advantage of a minor.

If you're in your 40s (general "you" here) and you are eyeballing a 15 year old, I don't care what the gender is, you need to step the hell off and go meet some people in what we call the "adult" age bracket.

[porphyrian]

51. I think you're right about 40 year olds who court 15 year olds.

And I think I'm mostly against this whole thing. My only hesitation is in remembering myself at 15 and how the sex part would've been welcomed. I would've had problems with the marriage-and-a-child part at that age, but I probably wouldn't have thought much about that. I can't say that I would feel the same way about a 15 year old girl, though, for many reasons. Anyway, in the end, I think the old lady has a problem she needs to get fixed, and the state of Georgia needs to do something about letting 15 year old children get married without any parental input.

[benburch]

52. BZZZT! We Disrupt This Thread For An Important Announcement!

[CatWoman]

54. me? I wanna get with Ben and Jason

:evilgrin:

the hell with Grovel Bot :D

[jaysunb]

89. I'm available !

could you send me plane fare.....(first class please) :rofl:

[RebelOne]

53. My son and his wife live in Dawson County.

[zbdent]

55. It's the unspoken double standard

[CatWoman]

58. no, no, no

A 15 year difference, on either side, is not right -- not when the person is barely a teenager.

[zbdent]

68. I agree, but

as always, the "disgust" of the event is played as much less "scarring" on the young males as it is on the "young females".

[Nederland]

97. Yes, it is a double standard

Women have the right to control their own bodies, but men don't.

[apnu]

61. "...relationship had been going on for nearly two years"

That means she started sleeping with the boy when she was 35 and he 13!

Or am I reading that wrong?

[TX-RAT]

67. You are correct

[Nikia]

81. That makes it even worse

At those ages, a couple of years makes a big difference. Thirteen is definitely an age when one would probably be taken advantage of. Children just starting to go through puberty are vunerable. This woman was his friend's mother. Some children consider friend's parents to be parental figures, someone who should be obeyed when one is at their house. Yes, there needs to be laws against this. Too many children, just beginning puberty, are sexually abused. Yes, they may not have been forcibly raped and they might even believe that they are responsible for their actions, but that doesn't mean that they weren't abused and that someone took unfair advantage of them.

[Vogon_Glory]

64. This Lady She's What?!

To paraphrase some lyrics from Gilbert and Sullivan's comic opera Iolanthe:

"This lady she's WHAT?! / She says she's his wifey!..."

BTW I do not approve of this relationship.

[ohio_liberal]

73. I don't see the thrill in a 15 year old, but....

I just turned 38 and I think that a few mid-20ish men I know are hot. I'm not much turned on by men my own age. I've never acted on it though, which is probably why I'm without a companion. *sigh*

[Bouncy Ball]

77. You are 38 and you know some mid-20s men who you think are

hot. Big difference between that and being 38 and thinking a 15 year old is hot and actually having sex with him.

At least if you got with one of those men, it would be legal.

[ohio_liberal]

84. I know, there is a big difference legally

I'm not trying to justify this woman's actions in any way. I don't even understand how one goes about getting an underage teenager into bed or the thought processes that go along with it.

Still, legal or otherwise, a big difference in age between partners is not easily accept by our society.

[Rocknrule]

75. Oh honey, your wrinkles make me tinkle!

:rofl:

[Sgent]

82. As much as we joke about it...

In my state until five years ago the age of consent was 14 (now its 16).

More importantly, sex within a marrige was excluded from consent rules, and with the parents permssion they could get married as early as 12 -- with no limitations on the partner's age (now 16).

There is a cultural issue here which may have more to do with it than anything else. Can a 15 yo emotionally be prepared for sex? Probably not. By the same token, I don't think its reasonable to compare the trauma to the same as would exist in most child abuse relationships -- its generally not.

[porphyrian]

85. A clarification.

A 15 year old may be emotionally prepared for sex, but probably not at all equipped to deal with its possible outcome. I was very ready to have sex at 15. I was not ready to be in a committed marriage or to be a father.

[ohio_liberal]

87. How old were the laws to begin with?

Before it was changed to 16, I mean. Because I'm thinking a 100 year old law with an age of consent of 14 would've been about right at the time.

[apnu]

94. but it started when the boy was 13 -- accroding to the article.

Does that change your view?

[Blackfish]

86. i would have to see a picture of this woman...

before i could make one of two judgements:

1. lucky bastard (him) or
2. disgusting degenerate (her) (and/or him))

[CatWoman]

91. here she is

http://media.graytvinc.com/images/Mug+Shot+Lisa+Lynette+Clark.jpg

[Blackfish]

93. who are we to judge this woman?...

i think a penthouse spread is in order.

[ohio_liberal]

95. She's a pretty lady

I wonder what is going on in that brain.

[Montauk6]

88. Wasn't this an episode of L&O: SUV?

[Deja Q]

92. What's the problem? Both have 3 years until they reach their peak...

Of course, upon thinking about it, it's really gross...

[Catherine Vincent]

99. The pervert should be locked up!