Remember when people used to cite WP or NYT as a source when ridiculing...

[NNN0LHI]

...someone as a Tin Hat Conspiracy Theorist around here? I think those days are over. And not a moment too soon either. Had these Bush administration propagandists not been exposed I think there is a good chance Junior would have invaded Iran and/or Syria by now. With the medias help the sky was the limit for Bush and the neocons.

Don

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Although there is a down side to this.

Back when one could more or less rely on the WP or the NYT to at least cover both sides of an issue, we had something like a reliable independent press. We had a paper of record. Now what do we have? We have a blogosphere of dissonance and dissidence and a mass and print media hell bent on stenography or missing white women in aruba or the ideal mix of both. We now have the modern equivalent of the soviet era samizdat for providing information to people outside 'normal' channels and that has huge problems with trolls, tin foil hats, with reliability in general and with such volume, so many inputs, so many sources of distortion that it is frequently indistinguishable from noise.

[NNN0LHI]

3. Tell me how finding out the real "tin foil hats" or worse...

...are in the media we once trusted is bad. I don't quite understand how that is bad. That is a gift. Bad would be not knowing. I can stand the truth.

Don

[Warren Stupidity]

4. I'm not sure it is bad.

Perhaps it is just disturbing that things have deteriorated so much within our society that 'journalism' is indistiguishable from babbling lunacy :-)

I'm actually trying to figure out if the current situation is worse and/or different than the consensus coldwar reality of the msm prior to the breakdown over vietnam. Maybe it isn't, but I don't quite remember thinking that EVERYTHING in the NYT was slanted bullshit of dubious veracity.

[NNN0LHI]

5. I am with you here. It is disturbing as hell to me

I mean who likes to admit that they have been lied to on purpose by our most trusted news organizations all of these years? I sure don't like it. Hey I was fooled. I will just get over it and move on.

After all we are better off for it in the long run. As someone said about adversity 'if it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger'.

Don

[Neocondriac]

2. We now rank .....

44th in the world with regard to freedom and accuracy of our media. Right behind Spain which was communist until the early 80's.Talk about a fall from grace.

[Warren Stupidity]

8. Spain was fascist until the late 70's not communist.

The fascist leader Franco died in 1975 and his regime crumbled about two years later.

[hunter]

6. In related news: FEC declares bloggers are Journalists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5390205&mesg_id=5390205

Life was much easier when the news was reported by CBS, NBC, ABC, The Washington Post, The New York Times, AP, UPI, and for those of us who had shortwave radios, the BBC.

Interesting times, these...

[BuyingThyme]

7. RawStory is replacing NYT.

[hunter]

9. It looks like Sponge Bob is happy about that

Raw! Raw! RawStory!

Yep. Interesting times.

[Roland99]

10. Is this a subversive plan to destroy NYT and WaPo credibility?

[NNN0LHI]

11. Credibility is earned. Its not something that someone just 'has'

They both need to clean house and neither seem inclined to do so.

Don