If American troops pull out, will the Iraqis destroy the oil pipelines?

[Deja Q]

Just a thought...

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. That would be up to them, wouldn't it?

[Deja Q]

4. Yes. But can you afford it when the prices skyrocket because of it?

Again, just a thought.

[AuntPatsy]

16. Please don't be fooled by that bullshit, when the oil prices rise,

I promise you from one that knows, it has nothing to do with broken pipe lines....

Ask yourself why three oil companies, exxon and bp included stopped drilling off the coast of Cal and have no plans to start up again soon,

there are plenty of deposits off that coast with plenty of oil...

Just don't fall for all those excuse they hoist on the public when the prices go off the charts...

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. If they did, the world would have to adapt. I don't think it would be

the worse thing that ever happened. The adapting part would probably be better for this country than the "space race".


Say they made a deal with China for all the oil, and the west plunged into a depression. Where would China sell all that shit? The people in china don't want it. They would find out that they couldn't even use the oil.

[Spazito]

22. Wow, seeing as it is THEIR oil, THEIR pipelines and THEIR

country, they can do whatever the hell they want with it. If the price skyrockets, it skyrockets. Invading a country and killing it's citizens to keep more money in one's pocket, which this post seems to imply, is exactly why the debacle in Iraq is occuring.

[Deja Q]

35. And maybe *co knows that too.

They've used many other means to try to destroy the economy...

Please try to think outside the box. I am not arguing that it's all THEIRS (and I'd still say "fuck that shit, we're all Earthlings and God created all so what right does any of us have to draw pretty lines and say 'Mine! Mine! Mine!' like we're all toddlers in a playground anyway?!"), but the issue far transcends the values we were raised on...

[Spazito]

36. What I read your post to mean is that 'self-interest' tops all

That it is fine to invade, occupy and kill the citizens in another country to keep your living costs down. Who is not thinking outside the box? By worrying about the cost of oil to Americans, you are saying 'Mine, mine, mine' to all resources, regardless of where they are located to ensure Americans keep their standard of living. That is so far IN the box as to be 19th century thinking, imo.

[yourout]

2. No.....they know that oil is the key to there future.

[Deja Q]

3. Their future? Or ours?

We use the stuff far more than they do.

[yourout]

12. The world wide thurst for oil means money.....lots and lots of....

money. Iraq's economy revolves around the black plague.

[Syncronaut Seven]

5. Blind speculation anyone?

Who knows what they'll do, It's their oil. Most likely the Chinese will make them a sweet deal, That's this admin's biggest fear.

[Deja Q]

11. At least I'm posting something original. And not the 8,000,000,000,000th

Kerry flamefest thread... (pro or con, I don't give a frig. This isn't DebateKerry Underground!)

[MarsThe Cat]

6. i thought that they already did that anyway...

every so often.

[Deja Q]

7. Exactly. Now imagine US soldiers not fighting them off...

It's their country and all and I can't quite blame them for doing so... but the repercussions... someone's going to pay and it's going to be all of us.

[MarsThe Cat]

14. btw- i don't support an immediate withdrawl

WE broke it- we bought it...it's our responsibility at this point.

[understandinglife]

8. They've been destroying pipelines since we arrived.

They may decide to stop if we leave and they actually think they'll get a dime for the oil; instead of us stealing it all from them.


Peace.

[July]

17. Thank you, I was just about to say that.

It's been happening for a while.

[RepublicanElephant]

9. cheney's taking the oil out with him.

all of it.

[Sagan]

10. Yes. Yes, they will.

Let's be honest, Iraq is screwed no matter what we do. We've created another Somalia. We can stay, we can pull out, we can "withdraw over the horizon". It doesn't matter.

Bushco broke Iraq and they can't fix it. The only right move was not to mess with Iraq. That choice is past.

[Deja Q]

13. Agreed.

And thanks to wanting Saddam more than Saddam wanting to get laid, * put us all in the pepper, didn't he?

We too are becoming a Somalia. We're just not all the way there yet, but the road has been paved. Even before Iraq...

[HysteryDiagnosis]

23. Perhaps Saddam can coach shrub.... couldn't be much worse than

what we have now.

[Canuckistanian]

15. They will if Americans are still profiting from them

They're not stupid enough to destroy wealth in general.

[aquart]

18. No, they'll repair them.

In case you didn't notice, they destroy the pipelines pretty much on a weekly basis, to assure we don't get the use of them.

When they feel sure that Iraqi crooks will get the proceeds of the oil instead of American crooks, the oil will flow.

[Sagan]

20. Disagree. You're presuming a unified Iraq.

The Sunnis won't want the Shiites and Kurds getting the oil money, and it just goes from there. Round robin.

That doesn't even take into account foreign fighters who have no interest in a stable Iraq.

Iraq is broke. It's not fixable. I'm not sure what it would take for them to recover, probably another Saddam, to be honest.

[aquart]

21. It's good you're being honest.

Yes, another Saddam. An Iraqi crook will make the oil flow. Pay attention.

[Sagan]

28. Exactly. Iraqi Democracy is dead, if it ever existed...

The whole situation in Iraq was misjudged by Bushco from A to Z. And now, after a protracted period of internal war and violence, the Iraqis will probably be ready for a crook, yeah.

It's not a good thing, in any way, but it's reality.

[NNN0LHI]

24. Someone had better start an "adopt a Kurdish Peshmerga" thread

Because after their dirty work in Fallujah and elsewhere there won't be any place for them to hide inside Iraq.

Don

[goodhue]

25. No

eom

[No Exit]

26. They're already blowing up oil pipelines all the time over there!

Over and over--damage to pipelines, etc., etc.

So what difference would it make?

In fact, once they felt that THEY had the pipelines in THEIR possession, rather than an occupying country having them, the Iraqis might just start repairing and taking care of the pipelines.

[Gruenemann]

27. Who fucking cares? eom

[samplegirl]

29. No more than you would

go up and piss in your formans thermos

[samplegirl]

30. Their not getting any money for that oil

right now.

[enigma000]

31. Who are you think of?

Iraqis in general? The resistance? The government? Federal or Provincial?

I can't see why any sane person would destroy their country's oil pipelines

[samplegirl]

32. Were telling Exxon

here it is.......now you get it out.

[samplegirl]

33. Were telling Exxon

here it is.......now you get it out.

[Deja Q]

34. Define sanity. Lots of 'insurgents' had no qualms destroying the lines...

Why are they insurgents? And why was it only the US who defined them as such?

The 'insuregents' know we need the oil. Maybe that's all the thought they wanted to put into it. I don't know. I can only conjecture. But isn't that enough, given we lied to invade their country and take Saddam and say their oil would be used to pay for it all (which it hasn't)??

When there's profit to be made... but I dare say that those who put profit over their fellow man are insane. Like I said, define sanity.

[enigma000]

38. Sanity?

One trait would be acting in one's own interest (and by extension the interest of society) Iraq needs oil revenue more than the international community needs its oil. Iraqi oil accounts for about 3% of world production. 2 million barrels/day out of 65 million/day world total

http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html#producers

The insurgents are sane in so far that they know oil and the money from oil is power. Cutting off this supply of oil makes them more powerful. I'm unsure what their vision of Iraq would be like.

[Darranar]

37. I doubt it. They would have every reason not to.

The reason it is happening under occupation is to thwart the occupiers and their puppets; end the occupation, and the motive is gone.