Woman sentenceto spend night alone in remote area of Lake County Park

[elehhhhna]

Judge makes ruling to show suspect what it was like for the kittens she abandoned.


Michelle Murray will now have the opportunity to experience what the dozens of kittens felt the night she abandoned them at two Lake Metroparks in September.
Painesville Municipal Court Judge Michael A. Cicconetti on Thursday sentenced Murray, 25, of Painesville Township, to jail time.
But he added a stipulation to ensure that Murray "suffer the same consequences as those kittens."
"You can listen to the coyotes, hear the raccoons in the dark of night," said Cicconetti, who grew increasingly annoyed at Murray's apology attempts in court.
On the night before Thanksgiving, when Murray reports to the Lake County Jail in Painesville, she will be forced to spend a night alone in a remote area of a Lake County Metropark, according to Cicconetti sentence.
Being allowed only water, she will not be provided with food, beverage or shelter. Murray must remain in that location until "the light of dawn on Nov. 24," according to the sentence.

Whatcha think of this sentence, DUers?

http://www.news-herald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15598408&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21849&rfi=6

[EFerrari]

1. Only one night? Better deal than those babies got.

:nuke:

[FreedomAngel82]

51. I agree

I'm tired of animal abuse. People need to learn to treat our animal friends like that better. Maybe this will teach someone else a lesson.
Poor little babies. :( Instead of doing that she could've taken them to the Humane Society in her town or an adoption place instead of that.

[Robb]

2. Kind of weird.

Myself, I'd be thrilled not to spend the night confined in a jail cell. :shrug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. Seems fair to me.

[ohio_liberal]

4. I think it's fair

But why on earth did she have dozens of kittens?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. That's what I can't figure out, either

To have had that many kittens at one time, one must have a cat colony numbering in the dozens. I wonder if she put out Free Kitten signs or found out if she could give them to the local shelter? I hope that the court also ordered that any female cats she owns be spayed so that this won't happen again.

[EFerrari]

36. Dozens is puzzling. Maybe she flipped out or something.

Maybe we'll find out more, later.

But, I do know one operator in Santa Monica who is a fake cat lady. She pretends to do rescue to get $. We busted her, and have warned the community never to give her animals OR money. Maybe this is another such.

[Dorian Gray]

57. That was my thoguht?

Did she work for an animal shelter and abuse her position? (Which would be a worse crime!) Or, was it some fluke? Cause I've never been handed 18 cats to take care of. Of course, I would say no to them, as well.

[patrice]

5. They just need to protect her from any Human predators that show up.

So it should be an un-disclosed location.

Otherwise, I like it. No fence. Patrol cars stationed at the four corners of several acres with her in the center, natural terraine otherwise. Oh yeah, and some kittens.

[havocmom]

11. I suggest the Bob Marshall Wilderness

'The Bob' ought to take care of her. Unlikely she will repeat her offense, or even make it out.

[patrice]

18. Now, now . . .

"We" don't want to become that which We Hate.

[havocmom]

23. Hey, no hate involved, Just matching the woman with an environment

in proportion to what the home born kittens dumped out to fend for themselves had.

Feral cats do fairly well, with momma cat to teach them. But cats who are not feral... well, The Bob seems to be a good human equivalent. There's lots to live off in The Bob. She'd be fine ;)

And I am not sure I hate anything.

[patrice]

30. I misunderstood what The Bob is. Sorry!

Sounds nice. I love to camp and have camped quite a bit when I was younger. Still go sometimes now and love a nice camping road trip.

So we agree we don't want her eaten by anything - just Really Alone for a nice long while.

[havocmom]

41. Don't want her eaten by anything? No, I never agreed to that

I think she should have the same chance as the kittens. Lots of big things in the Bob.

Large birds, dogs and snakes in the park for kittens to deal with. To be just, the woman needs to face the same problem with not being top of the food chain ;) The Bob would offer her the same terror she offered the kittens. LOL Poetry and justice.

[High Plains]

27. Four patrol cars?

That's a lot of law enforcement resources to waste on punishing a kitty neglecter.

[patrice]

39. Just fantasizing.

She could choose to do something else, like be responsible for adopting shelter animals out to appropriate homes for 6 months.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

6. I hope it opens her eyes

It is an interesting sentence. If she were given a blanket, chanupe, ceremony, but no food or water for four days it would be like a Vision Quest. But those who go on Vision Quest do it for all their relations, including kittens. I guess what I'm saying is that I hope that she gains some insight, just as those on Vision Quest do, and that she better understands the meaning of our interconnectedness.

[patrice]

12. Thank you for that!!

That was very helpful.

I hope she gets to read it sometime.

Hare Krsna! Hare Rama!

[darkism]

7. What a barbaric sentence.

I guess the "eye for an eye" thing is in style again?

[enlightenment]

14. Nope. If it was an "eye for an eye"

they'd leave her out there to die.

[patrice]

15. It isn't Capital Punishment. Which she gave the Kittens, just like

FriskyKiller Frist.

It's not Capital Punishment so it's not An Eye-for-an-Eye.

[jkappy]

43. sadistic.

too horrible for words. cannot even begin to fathom the reactionary comments on this board.

[Ms. Clio]

45. LOL n/t

[LostinVA]

101. Not sadistic or reactionary

But you know that already.

[movonne]

8. I think it is a great...maybe she will think twice before doing such a

horrible thing...she might think about having the mother fixed so this does not happen again...too many beautiful animals and not enough home for them..

[tularetom]

10. I hope there are mountain lions or some other large

hungry felines in that park.

[Catherine Vincent]

13. I don't know if I agree with this.

What if some nut hiding out in the woods harm this woman? I rather she pay a fine or spend one night in jail or something but the authorities shouldn't punish her the way they did.

[patrice]

16. See post #5.

[Solo_in_MD]

24. I tend to agree

Though there is an evil part of me who wants her smeared with honey before she is dropped off.

Animal cruelty of this type brings out the worst in me.

[patrice]

40. I suspect that the noise and scent of those kittens might be "honey"

enough. And she would be required to hav ethem alive when she is picked up in the morning. So, unbeknownst to her, there's another guard in a deer stand, far enough off from her camp site and camoflaged so she doesn't see it, and if/when predators come for the kittens, which she has to protect, she won't be in danger.

[mitchum]

42. No problem with that as long as the nut eats her

much like the fate of the kittens

[B Calm]

17. What will happen to the judge if she dies of hypothermia?

[Old Vet]

19. Actually quite appropriate, What happened to the kittens?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

25. Several died

I believe the total that didn't make it was 9. I think the rest were given care in a local shelter-why in the world she didn't take them to the shelter is beyond me.

I agree that requiring her to spend time at a shelter or animal rescue unit might have been a more appropriate sentence. I volunteered at one for several years, and helped care for abandoned and abused animals, as well as help at a low-cost spay/neuter clinic.

[Neil Lisst]

20. I don't care for "creative" sentencing. It's arbitrary.

If she's got jail time coming, then give it to her.

Otherwise, give her a deal that includes community service at the local ASPCA. That would be a positive result. This is more like spanking the dog because it peed on the floor. It's punitive, but it doesn't accomplish anything.

Creative sentences are always about getting media coverage for the judge.

[Blue_Tires]

66. agreed

real jail time/ASPCA service seems right....


you never know, what if this woman is the outdoorsy-type that actually likes the outdoors?

[patdem]

21. Hells bells ...all I did was to say to a judge "We want our day in court"

and I ended spending the entire day in jail..and was told I was lucky cause most who are charged with contempt of court spend 10 days in jail...so one night being exposed to the elements is just ducky for me for what she did!

[ashling]

22. You mean besides being unconstitutional?

What about the Las Vegas Mayor's suggestion for Graffiti artists: cut off their thumbs.

[tkmorris]

26. It's cruel and unusual

and therefore, unconstitutional. This judge should not be on the bench.

[lumpy]

54. I agree.

The judge 'was annoyed' by her apology attempts. The judge is annoyed so he hands down a ridiculous, questionable sentence. This is backwoods justice. The judge should adher to the sentence guidelines. Nasty.

[Little Star]

28. This is against our

constitution. She needs to pay for what she did but it needs to be within our constitutional rights.

[seabeyond]

52. i agree n/t

[slaveplanet]

64. Just one small step for creative judgment...

One Giant leap toward "Running Man"...

[Mairead]

80. I hate to break it to you, but the Bill Of Rights has already been gutted

and in far more profound and ugly ways than this little ding (if indeed it is a ding: I'm not seeing what you are). You should maybe use your feelings of unhappiness about this as motivation to solve those more general problems.

[Greyhound]

88. How? I don't see it as cruel, and although it is a bit unusual, it is

not in the intended sense of the phrase.

[LostinVA]

102. This is not unconstitutional,a nd i am perplexed by

people on this board stating this. That is NOT the definition of "cruel and unusual."

[seabeyond]

103. i guess it depends who is being stuck out in middle of woods

if you are camper, experienced, know what you are doing, i can see how you dont see it as cruel, though arguing not unusual isnt going to fly. ohio in nov. no shelter. not cruel? ya right

[High Plains]

29. The woman should get a fine and comm service at a shelter...

for animals.

She should have left the kittens with the humane society and let them kill the excess.

Really, people, what do you think happens to surplus cats? Some get adopted, yes, but the rest get killed.

I am always bemused by some of the misanthropic animal lovers that appear on posts like this. Do you really want this woman to be killed because she left some cats to die? Really?

[zanne]

77. I just want her to serve time.

Until people realize that animals have rights, too, we need laws that will prevent people from being cruel to them. I don't care if you're an animal lover or not; if you injure or kill a pet, you should do time.

[bananas]

100. Some get fed to pet snakes.

I like cats, but this is ridiculous.
Have you ever seen a cat torture a bird or mouse?
They don't just hunt for food - they hunt for sport.
And they don't kill quickly and mercifully - they torture their prey.
Cat lovers don't call it "torture" - they say the cat is "playing" with a mouse or bird.

[BlackVelvet04]

31. and there is more to her sentence

Murray got the maximum sentence of 90 days in jail.
But the judge suspended 60 days and allowed 15 days to be served under house arrest.
After returning from the wild on Thanksgiving, she will serve 14 days in the Lake County Jail.
The suspended jail time hinges on two conditions:
* Murray may not own or care for any animals in the next three years.
*She must pay $3,200 to the Lake County Humane Society and $500 to the Metropark rangers for costs they incurred due to her actions.

[EFerrari]

34. Good. I was worried about her having more animals. n/t

[noiretextatique]

32. this woman got house arrest

even though she ran over four CHILDREN, and two of them died.
With two dead, is sentence fair?
Jennifer Porter won't go to jail, and some, including the mother of two dead children, wonder if race was a factor.
By AMBER MOBLEY, JUSTIN GEORGE and REBECCA CATALANELLO
Published November 6, 2005

TAMPA - One judge.

Two dead black children.

One young white woman, a former elementary school dance teacher.

Fifteen and a half hours of testimony from more than 30 witnesses.

Early Saturday morning, the judge imposed sentence.

Jennifer Porter will serve no prison time after pleading guilty to charges arising out of a March 2004 accident that killed Bryant Wilkins, 13, and his brother Durontae Caldwell, 3, and injured Aquina Wilkins, then 8, and LaJuan Davis, then 2.

Instead, Judge Emmett Lamar Battles sentenced Porter to two years of house arrest, three years of probation, 500 hours of community service work and ordered her to undergo a psychiatric evaluation.

That sentence is being labeled right by some, racist by others, such as the boys' mother, Lisa Wilkins. She wanted Porter to be punished and Saturday morning's sentence wasn't enough. MORE>>>

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/11/06/Tampabay/With_tw...

be sure to clink link at top to get whole story.

[EFerrari]

37. Geezus, help me. What on EARTH is the matter with this country.

:nuke:

[WinkyDink]

33. I think it's disgusting, frankly.

Hello, Taliban.
Is this judge "creative" with male muggers/rapists/drug dealers?

How would he sentence, say, Scooter Libby? Or any other rich white man?

He'd better hope this woman isn't attacked.

[EFerrari]

35. Taliban? What is that about?

I think I like this "activist judge" who seems to value life over approval.

[seabeyond]

49. i am disgusted too, but i am more disgusted there are so many

on the board that dont have issue with this

[progressivebydesign]

38. Works for me. Hope that heartless jerk gets chewed by a coyote. n/t

[seabeyond]

48. are you for real. you are hoping a fellow human being is chewed by

coyotes???????????//

[lumpy]

55. Yeah, that's very progressive design, alright.

Chewed by a coyote? Nice.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

44. Not a good sentence.

Community service and a fine would have been enough.

[lildreamer316]

46. Perfect.

Applause to the judge.

[seabeyond]

47. this is stupid, it is outrageous. this is just sick

i cant believe anyone on this board would seriously agree this is a good thing. if the woman comes up dead for any reason, shame on you all

this is retarded and i cant believe a judge could get away with this

and that anyone on this board can agree amazes me. i am just....wow to you all

[B Calm]

72. I'll bet people start dumping kittens in this judge's front yard..

I don't like anybody dumping cats. I live in the country and every year some one will dump a cat or five on my country road. It's time for people to stop, but this fine is a little crazy.. I do think kittens would have a better chance if people dumped them in town.. Preferably on the rich end of town..

[LostinVA]

104. I think it's outrageous you just used "retarded" in your post

For shame. That is a very nasty phrase, and one I don't expect from either an adult of someone who posts on a Progressive board.

How about calling the sentence "gay," too?

[seabeyond]

105. gay as in happy?, retarded as in messed up

but if you are going to people that have lower iq then i can see how you are offended. i apologize. i wasnt using the word in difinition of people with lower iq

not hard.

[jim3775]

50. The judge is known for his creative sentencing

http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2005/09/creative_and_ef.html

Judge Michael A. Cicconetti usually lets the punishment fit the crime. Using a blend of humor and humiliation, the Painesville Municipal Court judge has sentenced defendants facing lowlevel crimes to fates such as sharing a sty with a pig and parading a donkey through town....

In his previous career as a defense attorney, Cicconetti quickly learned that jail doesn't leave much of an impression on some people, who soon become repeat offenders. "I have not had any of those people return, ever," he said....

Cicconetti first experimented with alternative sentencing with motorists who sped through school zones, making them spend a day working as a school crossing guard.... Some of the sentences Cicconetti has handed down through the past few years: a man ran with officers in a race for fleeing police; a couple apologized in a newspaper for a public sex act; a man and a woman marched with a donkey for vandalizing a statue of baby Jesus....

"Generally, the humiliation type of punishment may serve to teach the lesson well," said Lewis Katz, a criminal law professor at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland. "You can't really argue with success if they're not depriving an individual of their liberty, and as long as it's related to the offense."

Also, PETA intervened in this case.

[lumpy]

59. Judge lets the punishment fit the crime.

What's next? Teenager pelts house with a dozen eggs; perpetrator gets to clean the mess and spend two nights in a chicken pen. Boyfriend dumps girlfriend in bathtub in front of party guests; perpetrator spends a couple of days soaking in a bathtub on his front lawn. Egads.

[achtung_circus]

53. A few things, there's a lot of speculation here, but

<http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1118052park1.html>

has the complete story.

[MsMagnificent]

56. More on Michelle Murray -- and my (most recent) rescues

Thursday late afternoon I was driving down a country road in NE Ohio, 3 teenagers were walking at the side of the road with 3 tiny kittens walking IN the road screaming at them -- for help.
I stopped and the kids told me that there were 3 or 4 more back at the bridge (a little narrow bridge a hundred yards back).

Well, I couldn't leave them there to die (the kittens, not the teens : ) so I grabbed 2 (the third disappeared) tossed the poor things in the car (at least it was warm in there, outside was below freezing) and had to make it to the pharmacy before it closed at 5. I brought one kitten in and while all the women there were sympathetic, not one would take a kitten. On the way back I tried to find the others. Nothing.

Mind you, I have SEVEN cats as it is right now -- all rescues.
The latest addition was abandoned here, skeletal and VERY ill with pneumonia, in early September. His eye was so bad the vet was talking about draining it and sewing it closed. It cost over $200- (and counting) to get him well. He earned the name "Lovey" and is a real chubbster now! And he's not even neutered yet!
Poor thing, I think he's making up for lost time/lost calories.
And his eye is now, finally, healed.


ANYWAYS. I went back later that night and found another kitten. Went out there twice more on Friday, nothing. Once earlier today.
So that means there are still 3-4 starving, freezing, terrified, dying kittens out in those woods, on the road, on that bridge.

So far that's 3 total. 3 MORE in toto. Makes 10. My God, 10 cats.
What the heck am I going to do with all those cats?!
One thing I'm NOT going to do is go abandon them. Nor am I going to take them to anyplace that will kill them if they're not immediately adopted out.
Nor will I adopt them to anyone who will not guarantee me THEY won't trash them when they're not so cute anymore, or for whatever reason.
And that I'll be calling them, every month, to see how they are doing.
Saint Exupéry said in Le Petit Prince: You are forever responsible for what you have tamed
Indeed we are.

I'm going out again in a little while to see if any of the others will come out. God I hope so, it's agony to know there is suffering out there and not being able to do anything about it. It was Gandhi who said The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated
Absolutely!

And here we are, transplanted New Yorkers in this horrid Red State whose denizens are so apathetic they don't care if their vote is counted or not. There is some pretty convincing evidence that the results of the last election, especially the Propositions to try to curb some of the political corruption, were tampered with and thus were defeated. Part of my letter to the editor reads:

...the lack of concern from Buckeyes leads me to only one conclusion: they simply don't care if their vote is counted or not.
By their apathy and denial they seem to be saying that Voting is Overrated anyways.
It is one more step and the people of Ohio will not have to bother with that pesky voting at all anymore! To keep up the status quo, all they need do is keep letting the powers-that-be (the very same powers who decide now: Gov. Taft, Blackwell, etc.) dictate FOR us who shall "represent" us.
What a time-saver! WELL worth the abrogation of our rights as American citizens!
Congratulations Buckeyes!
I guess.

I have a more colorful term I privately use for Buckeyes... and I don't believe I need to spell it out for you :)

One of the most sickening, and telling, things about this specific Michelle problem and the abandonment problem in general, is the twisted reasoning these families use. They want their children to experience "The Miracle of Birth", then, when these poor defenseless lives have been brought into this careless world to teach a little lesson, these "Moral" parents take the innocents --the actual miracles-- and chuck them in the woods or on the side of the road. No problem!
No responsibility!
And when Bubba and God Warrior Junior want to know where the little kitties went... well hell, just lie to your own kids and tell them this nice little fairy tale about how they all went to good homes...
So go ahead, compound it all with Lying to your own children!

I swear their Bibles have omitted Thou Shalt Not Lie and changed the Sermon on the Mount to Blessed Are the Warmongers!


Synchronistically, on Friday, the day after the rescue, my husband brought home from work a clipping from the Cleveland Plain Dealer on this Michelle Murray character.
She abandoned FORTY KITTENS (that they know of!), some as young as 4 weeks, in two parks. When she is sent to the woods she "will (be monitored) to make sure she is safe and does not freeze". NINE of these abandoned kittens of hers "died or had to be euthanized because they couldn't be saved".

How did they catch her? She left the collars on some!
Obviously this hag likes sweet little kittens, and when they get the slightest bit non-cute, out they go like rubbish.
FORTY kittens JUST HAPPENED to be left on her doorstep?! I think not! She tried to put all the blame on the Humane Society -- that they 'were no help' and 'abandoning the kittens would force the Humane Society to do something"! Abandoning them in deep woods? Yeah. Right. That sure worked, didn't it Michelle? I wouldn't be surprised if she went and GOT some from them, which is why she couldn't bring them back... they'd be on to her sick little game then. She takes them, alive feeling beings, helpless and innocent and trusting, then throws them away like you would a used kleenex.

Another good ruling by the judge was that she was not allowed to any longer own pets.
I wonder if that will stop her, though?


And to top it all off, Michelle Murray of Painesville, Ohio (look her up!) had the NERVE to say:

"But it's inhumane for the judge to send me out in the cold with nothing but the clothes on my back" (Note: She can bundle up all she wishes)


No, this dumb bitch will not learn one damn thing.
& I don't apologize for language.


She better hope she never meets ME in the woods, on the side of the road, on the street or at her front fugging doorstep (which is something I'm considering doing, going to meet this... this... Buckeye) because I will rip her a new one, that I promise.
(A verbal rip, mind you; although I'll have to keep a tight grip upon my slapping hand, I am that angry.)

And people are upset that poor Xtian woman has to spend a night in the woods, all snuggled up in thick winter coats with thermos' of coffee and snacks??!
Oh, the horror.

[lumpy]

61. Oh Wow !

Better to not consider going to Murray's doorstep. Wouldn't like to see you standing in front of that judge. I understand your anger, but the judge has taken care of that. Violent thoughts, not so good.

[bloom]

65. I wonder if she has had a psychological evaluation...

It sounds to me like sentencing a mentally unbalanced person to becoming more mentally unbalanced.

I don't see how that would help kittens or society.

[elehhhhna]

108. Good god. after reading your post I humbly suggest they

dress that Misses Gacy of Cats in a kitty outfit and drop her on Frist's doorstep.



You are a kind soul, MizMag.

Where did this serial sicko get 40 kittens? Ya think she actually adopted them in order to abandon them?

[Horse with no Name]

58. I don't think it is appropriate

For the fact that I don't believe in the death penalty, it is possible this woman could be injured or take ill after being in the cold night air without shelter.
So now we resort to making the punishment fit the crime?
Who will volunteer to rape the rapists?
Give her jail time and community service like any other criminal.

[MisterP]

60. everyone's handing out the tissues for the sake of MURRAY???!!

what?!

[lumpy]

62. Tissues are not being handed out for

the sake of Murray. What the woman did was abominable and against the law. What is troubling is that a judge who believes that 'punishment should fit the crime' and follows his own concept of punishment opens the door to discarding sentencing guidelines that could possibly lead to judicial abuse.

[seabeyond]

63. put her in jail. not out in the middle of nowhere with no food no

shelter and who knows if she has any experience what so ever with survival or being out in the middle of nowhere. it is outrageous and stupid sentencing. it is abusive

we have jails for breaking the law

[Neil Lisst]

67. Why not take fornicators and put them in stocks in a public place?

We could add a sign saying For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.

We have to punish these things, and we need creative sentences!

[Hekate]

68. Bad idea. I mean really, what if she dies? Did her crime deserve death?

Community service, okay. Fines, okay. Probation, okay. Public chastisement, well deserved. Risk of death -- damn stupid sentence.

What she did was cruel to animals and I don't condone it (see sentence above), but there's a few too many equally cruel reactions in this thread. "Eaten by coyotes"? Eww.

Hekate

[xchrom]

69. i care what happens to this woman?

not.

[B Calm]

70. Is the judge giving her a nice warm fur coat?

[Mairead]

79. No, but then he's not making her less than 6 inches tall, or

only a toddler, either. So that seems to balance out.

[Err]

71. I hate it.

She's already going to pay for her crimes by going to jail. Why throw her out in the middle of the woods, where there could be mass murderer(s) or rapists hiding? What if it's really cold and she dies of hypothermia?

[Mairead]

73. Love things and use creatures: the core of all evil, misery, and sin

I think there are people in this thread who badly need to get their ethics repaired: any progressivism you ever had has evaporated or curdled, and you're now little better, if better at all, than reactionaries.

[LisaL]

74. I think it's insane. First of all, it could be very cold in OH.

I realize she did a bad thing to the kittens, but I don't think this sentence would be appropriate in any case. WTF is wrong with good old fashioned prison sentence?

[Mairead]

78. "What's wrong with prison?"

Read the article. The judge has found experientially that prison doesn't prevent reoffending anywhere nearly as well as his 'fit the crime' punishments. If the end-goal is permanent improvement in behavior--i.e. rehabilitation--then his sentencing practices are very good.

Until we stop equating power and worth, judges like this man are sorely needed.

[XanaDUer]

75. I say this as an extreme cat lover...

that judge needs to re-read the 8th amendment...:eyes:

[ReverendDeuce]

76. I agree with the ruling 100%...

Have to say it. I think this sort of thing is good.

[ecstatic]

93. What happens when RW judges start being this creative?

Think about it...:scared:

[dogday]

81. I don't think this is the best way to help the situation

her time would be best served doing work at the local animal shelter. This is just a payback sentence and does nothing to help either the victims of this crime or the perpetrator.

[MsMagnificent]

82. Murray CHOSE that sentence!

She herself CHOSE that sentence (a night in the woods and 14 days in jail, 15 days house arrest & probation) over a jail term of 3 months and undetermined probation.

She.
Chose.
It.
Herself.

[mitchum]

83. THANK YOU!

Thanks for pointing out a fact that so many handwringers seem to have overlooked

[achtung_circus]

84. And anyone who thinks that a human being is in danger from a coyote

doesn't know what they are talking about. A coyote runs when it sees a person, they weigh about 40 pounds, eat mice and other rodents and the occasional cat.

This is not the middle of nowhere, it is a park and she is being provided with communication.

One night alone in the woods at this time of the year is in no way comparable to a night in the Rocky Mountains in February.

[the_spectator]

90. Exactamente!

I am amazed by people here who think this is some kind of life-threatening situation! Oooh!!! A whole night! Outdoors! In the woods! In the wilderness that is Ohio! How can she survive??? A whole night without central heating! Without HBO! Without her microwave! Or Glade Plug-Ins! Oh, the humanity!

What ever happened to the descendants of those hardy American pioneers who settled a continent? Newsflash: you can be outdoors for hours at a time and not die!

(I do tend to dislike these kinds of "creative sentencings" also, but come on, this is hardly "cruel and unusual punishment!")

[cmf]

85. Hey! Rapists and Murderers!!!

There's going to be a woman all alone in Lake County Metropark all night November 23!!

I hope she brings something to protect herself with. A walkie talkie wouldn't bring me comfort.

[Lex]

86. A glock, a flashlight, and a cell phone.

Maybe a thermos of coffee.

I could make it, no problem.

[entanglement]

109. Ok, this is plain evil, but

thanks for the info :evilgrin:




/sorry for my sick sense of humor

[neebob]

87. I don't like these kinds of sentences

like this 25-year-old guy I saw yesterday who chose to stand on a street corner wearing a sandwich board that said "I am a thief" instead of jail or community service time - I can't remember which. He was waving at traffic, too, so I'm guessing that was a stipulation. It's as if the judges are trying to get attention for themselves. They're supposed to administer the law, not act like abusive parents.

[Dances with Cats]

89. Hope she freezes

Obviously, "Dances With Cats" hopes she freezes her ass off.

[seabeyond]

94. but not dies right. i mean surely you arent hoping she dies n/t

[Dances with Cats]

95. seabeyond

Ya can't take everything old "Dances With Cats" sez literally ;-)

[seabeyond]

97. good. because there are some on this thread advocating death

to this woman. personally i think that is a little extreme in punishment. go figure

thank you dances with cats, i am sure with your name, this story hurts your heart

[Dances with Cats]

99. hi

heck, nearly everyting hurts my heart. There is no wall between my head and my heart. Blessing or curse?

[Raine]

91. TERRIFIC...

more people who abandon animals should suffer the same fate. Here in the Los Angeles area we got an alligator that a former cop abandoned in a lake at a local park. Experts have been trying to catch that gator for months and months and can't get him cause he is scared and takes off. I wish they would dump that former cop in the island that's in the middle of the lake and make him find his own way out and have to scrounge for food.

[ecstatic]

92. This woman's life is in danger --based on the responses here alone

"hope she freezes..." "hope she gets eaten by coyotes..."

I think based on the responses here that she might be attacked or even killed by some extreme PETA member or cat lover.

[Dances with Cats]

96. Cat killers

Every cat killers life is in danger. (But I love your avatar!)
Friends,
Dances With Cats :-)

[lonestarnot]

98. Nagh... Wrong sentence. They should have just put her big ass in the

slammer for 30 days. That would have taught her just fine.

[dusmcj]

106. nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition (in the Repubican psycho kingdom)

more bread and circuses (cathartic shadow play) for the rabble. When we're all ignorami or psychopaths, and they start throwing people in water to see if they float or sink, let me know and we'll burn the mother down.

(Translation: this is yet another effect of the conservative verminocracy/cultural vandals. A civil society ? I think not. Not to speak of a modern one.)

[seabeyond]

107. perfectly stated. and how well so many on this board jumped

right in