Why Bush cannot quit Iraq

[jmatthan]

It is pretty obvious that if Bush quits Iraq, then his stand on the "War on Terror" comes to a halt. That means all the terror phobia that is being used to control the US public has to also end.

That would mean the control of war powers would return to the elected members and away from the pResident.

That means a virtual end to the Bush / Cheney cabal of running the US.

It is impossible for Bush to even think of withdrawing from Iraq because the War pResident reign comes to an END!!

That means he has no ability to try to start a war with Iran or Syria without going back to the Congress and Senate.

[lildreamer316]

1. Here's what it also means;

NO MORE OIL.
=we are going to be FORCED to find alternative fuel sources.
NOW.
Oh, damn, there go the large investments our SAUDI neighbors made in our OIL BASED ECONOMY.
OOPS.

Follow the money; follow the money...........

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[newyawker99]

19. Hi MindMatter!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[marylanddem]

2. Then we'll have to impeach his sorry ass.

I'm afraid you're right - he is so into this & all the war power it gives him. I do not think he is capable of reversing course. That leaves it to we the people and our elected representatives in Congress to raise holy hell until this bloodbath is ended

[hwmnbn]

3. You mean then we would see this was all a ......

dog and pony show? That these guys were lying from the get-go?

[Erika]

4. Iraq is now in a civil war

So how is W going to justify staying there and killing our troops? See www.icasualties.org

[marylanddem]

5. He believes he does not have to justify anything

He deals in rhetoric not human lives, big phony abstractions about
loving "freedom" (I have no idea what he means by that) and fighting a "war on terror" (which of course would never have an end). There is no changing Bush's head, we can only demand an end to his terrible reign.

[mtowngman]

Simply by saying...

"we must stay the course until the job is done" heard it a hundred times during the debate last night.

[begin_within]

6. Here's why they cannot quit Iraq...

[don954]

7. there in lies the trap

Dems call for the end of the war, we pull out. weeks later, a "terrorist" attack hits the usa, all the talking heads will be saying the Dems allowed it to happen & with a panic taking hold in the populance, they will buy it. The republicans will then use it to expand their power even more.

PNAC part II.

[unblock]

8. he COULD send the troops back to afghanistan

and/or actually try to find the 'folks' responsible for 9/11....

but there's no real oil in THAT war....

[jmatthan]

12. Osama has been dead for years!!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December (2001) and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.

[unblock]

14. i don't buy the fixation on osama anyway

it reeks of america's penchant for personalizing evil.

i tend to believe the that al qaeda is a loose organization, with osama simply being the top guy/financer/inspirational leader. i don't think he necessarily had much to do with 9/11 itself, or the planning thereof, any more than the a mafia boss necessarily knows much about the planning of any particular crime within his 'family'.

that doesn't make him any less responsible, but it does imply that there's a much more directly involved middle layer that hasn't been publicly identified or held accountable.

[Broken_Hero]

18. Good point...

[DemInDistress]

9. Iraq ... the "centerpiece on dimson's war on terror"

centerpiece because Iraq has vast oilfields (212 billion bbls) guaranteed plus half the country (Iraq) is unexplored. As we learned
recently Big Oil sat in with prick cheney during the march 2001 Energy
Task Force meetings divvying up Iraq into 14 parcels for exploration.
Its about oil,oil,oil,oil,oil,oil,oil,oil,oil,oil,oil,oil has nothing
to do with WMD's,nothing to do with a free and Democratic Iraq although that would be a feather in king george's cap.Its all about
the frigging oil............
At least 30 yrs worth of OIL,OIL,OIL,OIL,OIL,

[mtnsnake]

11. If he quits, he gets blamed for losing, & this imbecile can't accept blame

not even a shred of it. He'd rather be responsible for an additional 100,000 deaths than accept any blame for a failure in Iraq. That is why he's staying the course. No good fucker

[MadisonProgressive]

13. If Bush leaves Iraq a mess - a failure

then his oneupmanship of his Daddy goes in the toilet. He cannot allow that.

[NJCher]

15. then there's the matter of air bases

"...the military has more than $1.2 billion in construction under way or on the drawing board to upgrade 16 air bases throughout the Middle East and Southwest Asia."

from the NY Times.




Cher

[gratuitous]

16. Aesop had a fable

A man tells his boy to reach into a pitcher and grab some walnuts. The boy, greedily, grabs the biggest handful he possibly can. But the neck of the pitcher doesn't allow him to pull his hand out. Unwilling to let loose of any of the walnuts, but unable to get his hand out, the boy begins to cry.

Now, in the fable, the father gently tells his son to release some of the walnuts, that is, settle for less than all he can grab. Unfortunately for our nation, its military personnel, its Treasury, and just about everything good in the world, the little boy in the White House won't turn loose and he can't get his hand out.

[Marr]

17. If the boy hadn't let go, I expect his dad would've had to make him let go

Which is where we're going. People are waking up here. I just hope they realize soon that they have the power to smack the walnuts out of this greedy little bastards hand's anytime they choose.

[jmatthan]

20. That is why Bush is not

on speaking terms with his Dad!