Murtha is kicking juniors butt on Meet the Press

[spanone]

Russert has thrown every possible RW talking point at him and he has intelligently refuted each and every one of them.

[Tennessee Gal]

1. Murtha was fabulous!

He speaks for me .................

I want a transcript!

[spanone]

2. Cheneys my friend...BUT HE'S WRONG.

Loved that. Wolfowitz should have been fired...loved that.
Russert pulled some qoutes of his from 2004 trying to 'catch him' and he just said 'I was wrong, I changed my mind'...loved that.

[gratuitous]

16. "I was wrong, I changed my mind"

That must have made Timmeh's head spin around from shock. Nobody ever admits making a mistake in his little world. Even if you're clearly, demonstrably, totally wrong, Timmeh and his ilk simply deny the clear evidence before their very eyes and stick to their guns.

Admitting that you can make a mistake or that you were wrong in the past -- without, please note, blaming everyone else in sight for your mistake -- is remarkably freeing. I'll bet Timmeh didn't know what to say in the face of Murtha's candor.

But by Tuesday, I'm sure the RNC will have supplied him with a whole passel of talking points.

[blue neen]

17. Murtha didn't even hesitate.

I'll bet Timmy was disappointed, because he was clearly salivating when he asked Murtha that question.

I love it.

[Road Scholar]

43. Timmy was out manned! nt

[WiseButAngrySara]

87. "Cheney's my Friend?" I DON'T love that, and I didn't when I heard Murtth

say it Friday evening. Too bad. More lost points of respect from me.

[liveoaktx]

13. VIDEO

WMV

[wryter2000]

19. Thank you! n/t

n/t

[Straight Shooter]

23. liveoaktx, I don't know what I would do without you.

:toast:

[madokie]

88. you and a bunch of us would be doing without

thanks Liveoaktx, You're doing a good service for us. Have a great thanksgiving.:toast:

[mzmolly]

28. Ya rock!

Thanks again.

[Cha]

29. Thank you!

For later.

[DemExpat]

37. Many thanks! He was fabulous - didn't waver at ALL....

:kick:

DemEx

[FreedomAngel82]

91. I loved that about the door and Bejing

LOL. How funny.

[Turn CO Blue]

44. Great. Thank you for hosting that vid. Deserves it's own thread.

n/t

[mikita]

49. thanks for this ... n/t

[tjdee]

51. Much appreciated.

Thank you so much.

[LunaC]

54. Your videos make a tremendous contribution

to those of us who missed the actual event but want to stay current. THANK YOU!

[DarbyUSMC]

55. Thanks so much. Why can't he run for President? He can put words

together in sentences. :applause: What a treat to hear someone speak and actually say something.

Semper Fidelis,

Darby

[NightHawk63]

62. Thanx!!

Just watched it. I am so proud of Rep. Murtha.

[MelissaB]

65. Thanks so much!

Watching now.

[Blue_In_AK]

68. Excellent - thanks for the link.

[Cleita]

69. Thanks for the link. I'm downloading now (dial-up).

It will be worth it. I guess football, NASCAR and golf are more important in my TV market than the killing and mayhem perpetrated by BushCo.

[spanone]

70. Thanks !!!!

[IronLionZion]

71. I love you!

:yourock: :loveya:

[chiffon]

76. Wow. Just wow. Thanks for the video.

I had to work, so I missed it.

[King_Crimson]

83. BRAVO...

John Murtha...and THANK YOU liveoaktx for the vid. :headbang:

[calimary]

93. Thank you for the clips!!!

You're making a few adjustments? What you had available was MOST satisfying.

This is a public service you've got there. MANY thanks!

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. CT zone...it starts here in 5 minutes! Thanks for the heads up!

:bounce:

[Democrat 4 Ever]

4. Straight after Murtha's interview Little Timmy switches to the bird flu

Apparently the GOP has realized that their smear campaigns aren't working anymore so they are falling back on their tried and true standard of scaring the hell out of people.

Timmy led with a quote from Cat Killer Frist about millions of bodies piling up on the streets, undertakers unable to bury all of the dead, production falls off, the world as we know it will end, yadda, yadda, yadda from a talk he gave on Friday or Saturday concerning bird flu. The ol' terraists under Chimpy's desk isn't going to work anymore so let's fall back to bone chilling theories of rampant, rolling waves of deaths due to the bird flu. Their next talking point for the 2006 elections will be "who do you trust to protect your children from bird flu?"

Timmy, so far, hasn't addressed Woodward, the CIA leak, a new Grand Jury, - guess he can't afford another week of shilling for the prezident and expect to maintain a shred of credibility.

I miss the real Meet The Press and not this lukewarm dish of pap that Russert serves up each Sunday.

[spanone]

6. I saw that Frist qoute and yawned. I don't believe a word Frist says.

[wildeyed]

45. I think that after Katrina,

the "who do you trust to protect your children from bird flu?" argument will not be a good one for the GOP.

You know who I trust to protect us? Scientists and accomplished bureaucrats. Both are in short supply in the GOP these days.

[SPKrazy]

48. Frist the video diagnostician's views aside

I think that there is real reason to be concerned about the so called "bird flu".

1. There is an epidemic of bird flu among birds.
2. Over 60 people have died of bird flu after contact with birds.
3. If a person with a human form of influenza were to also contract bird flu, then it becomes a very real possibility that the two viruses would exchange DNA (or whatever) and a new human to human virus could be a problem.
4. This has been a fear of scientists long before * or Fristie became worried about it.

I don't advocate panic, but I also think it is something that we should be supporting the spending of lots of money to develop a vaccine, and more medications that can reduce the severity of the disease. (Even though we don't know exactly what disease will emerge from "bird flu")

5. The likelihood is there that whether it is bird flu, or some other virus, there will be another worldwide pandemic at some point.

thanks

[stevietheman]

56. Viruses exchange DNA? I don't think so.

I think the real concern is that the bird flu _could_ mutate into a virus that can be spread in an airborne manner.

As far as I know, there have been no reports of the virus mutating in such a way as of yet. So, unless you are intimately acquainted with live birds, you shouldn't have to worry.

[kestrel91316]

80. Yep, flu viruses can do this gene sharing/trading thing ................

it's called either genetic shift or genetic drift, I forget which. One of those things about virology I have chosen not to remember. It is not one of my favorite subjects. Immunology sucks too.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

58. Sadly, I believe the only approach the WH posse is taking with avian flu

is the "how would an epidemic be politically exploitable?"
MKJ

[dalaigh lllama]

75. There was an excellent thread on this earlier today

They linked to an article with some very good info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5412351

[tenshi816]

97. Do you think Frist has been reading "The Stand"? n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Why hasn't any politico mentioned the permanent bases being built in Iraq?

[spanone]

7. shhhhhh....we'll be ashamed of those in some future time.

[dogday]

11. They are calling them Camps

remember terminology is what keeps a camp from becoming a base....

[blm]

10. Kerry says get rid of the permanent bases in every Iraq speech for 2yrs

already.

Amazing how media doesn't want to discuss it further.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

21. You are 100% right on this, and he even mentioned it in his first debate

with the Shrub. It is being deliberately ignored by the media. Every Dem has to take to the floor and mention this! If they continue to remain silent on this, their complicity will also be condemned. It will also show that Bushco has no desire to leave Iraq, ever.

[mmonk]

33. The same reason no one mentions

the OSP. It will help give away what the invasion of Iraq is all about.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

103. Or allowing for a full discussion of PNAC. nt

[dogday]

8. Murtha For President

I like a candidate that knows exactly what is best for the American People and America. Please run for President!

[Catchawave]

9. Murtha was fabulous !

We need that transcript, those are our talking points :applause: :applause: :applause:

And what a gentleman, no "wingnut" playbook name calling, truly respectful of the very serious nature of the topic.

Congressman Murtha speaks for me :)

[blue neen]

12. Murtha didn't get caught up by Russert's talking points.

He answered honestly and forcefully. He talked about the Geneva Convention, Abu Graib.

Russert acted like he was going in for the kill when he asked Murtha if his original vote on the war was wrong, like he was catching him in something :eyes:. Murtha just very simply stated that yes he was wrong.

This guy is the MAN. He's not afraid to admit a mistake, and he's not afraid to speak the truth.

[spanone]

14. Boy, Junior must REALLY hate this guy, he tells the truth.

That's really unfair against *, cause when it comes to truth, junior is fucked.

[blue neen]

15. Yep. Murtha doesn't stutter, he doesn't smirk,

he doesn't blame someone else. He just tells it like it is.

I love this guy. I'm happy to say he's my rep.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. but: they did not vote to go to war

Why do the dems continue to allow that right-wing talking point to stand?

[blue neen]

24. You're absolutely correct.

IMHO, Murtha thought his time was better spent talking about getting out of Iraq. The Republicans are trying to frame it as, "Wah, but you voted to go to war" even though that's not true. Meanwhile, more soldiers are dying and being injured while they fight about who voted for what.

We just have to get them out of there.

[mondo joe]

27. I don't think Murtha wants to play your BS game.

Everyone knew the IWR authorized war, because everyone knew that's what Bush would do with it.

Playing your game about the technicalities reminds me of the worst sort of defense kids play when they get caught.

[ProSense]

31. Murtha is doing an excellent job pointing to the failures in Iraq

Having said that, pointing out the truth is not playing a game. Holding Bush accountable for violating the resolution and manipulating the evidence is not a game.

[mondo joe]

34. But pretending no one had any idea what he'd do IS a game.

"I didn't LET the dog out. I only opened the door. How was I to know HE would choose to run outside?"

[bvar22]

42. I'm with you, mondo joe.

If they didn't know bush* would "take the money and run", they have shockingly bad judgment, or weren't paying attention.

To claim NOW that they didn't really vote for the WAR dishonors the Dems (over 100) that took a principled stand AGAINST the IRW regardless of the political consequences. There were many passionate speeches from the floor in BOTH houses by Democrats with INTEGRITY who said the IRW was the same as a Declaration of War on Iraq.
I won't FORGET the Democrats who STOOD UP to bush* on the IRW.

Murtha SHOWED the Pro-War Democrats how to handle this situation.
"I was WRONG".

[ProSense]

50. Wrong analogy

The door was unlocked (in case of an emergency---like a fire exit), not open, with specific instructions not to open it until one could prove that the dog needed to be let out (as in the fire exit in the event of a real fire).

The last time I checked, dogs can't open and unlocked doors by themselves. Bush faked the proof and opened the door. Bush is the culprit.

[Old and In the Way]

60. I agree.....no one held a gun to Bush's head and say invade.

Democrats, like Kerry, very clearly explained their rationale for supporting the 'Office of President' to give the UN the leverage to locate the WMD. The facts that (1) this administration lied about the causus belli and (2) Bush abused the spirit of the IWR is not the fault of the Democrats.

The fault lies with the majority party that refuses to hold their pResident accountable for this illegal war.

[mondo joe]

64. Again, this is a technical excuse. It does not absolve dems of their

terribly poor judgment.

[Old and In the Way]

72. Again, you are apologizing and diffusing the actions of Bush.

Only one person had the authority to place troops in Iraq. George Bush.
Because Democrats trusted the POTUS to be telling the truth about a 'gathering threat' to this nation, you are holding them accountable for the turpitude of this administration. If it had been Gore or Kerry and they had intel that indicated an immediate threat to this country, wouldn't you want and expect the Republicans to support a Democratic President?

Sorry, it is Bush that damaged his Office by using bogus/manufactured intel to get his war goig. It is his problem, and his alone, to explain to the American people why 2100+ American lives, 300BB dollars, and 10's of thousands of Iragis were wasted over a big lie. And the majority Party, who could have challenged and stopped the action, can also take credit for enabling this travesty.

[mondo joe]

85. Not at all. Bush did wrong. So did Congress.

If they trusted Bush it demonstrates why they in turn should not be trusted.

There's a reason CONGRESS alone can declare war. If they're simply to trust the POTUS any time he says, why not just let the PTUS have the power?

Answer: Balance of powers and oversight.

And Congress failed THEIR function just as much as the POTUS failed his.

[Old and In the Way]

94. Baloney

If the POTUS, who controls the intelligence (Bush did cut off intelligence to the Senate in Oct. '01), they have to rely on information coming through the Executive Branch. Bush played a game of poker with the Democrats.

Again, you want to take a chance with your constituents lives? Hey, I'm glad you're just a poster on DU.

Hindsight is a great thing, but you ought to consider that this is 1 year after 9/11 (no investigation) and he's got a 75% approval rating. If he's telling the truth and Democrats are all lined up against supporting him, how do you think the Republican Corporate Media spins this? Hell, what if there's another "event" like 9/11? We go to war with Iraq anyway, martial law is declared, and the Democrats are toast for the next generation or so.

[mondo joe]

98. And they could have said until access to intell is restored, no vote

will be placed.

NO MATTER WHAT THEY DECIDE THEY ARE TAKING A CHANCE WITH THE LIVES OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS. It's a mystery that you don't understand that.

[Old and In the Way]

105. You obviously can't remember the 'gathering threat' and

immenent mushroom clouds. Keep blaming the Democrats, mondo joe...let Bush and the maority Republicans, who forced this binary vote weeks before the mid-terms, off the hook.

Odd, I'm hearing lots of Republicans, like George Bush, making the exact same talking points you are here.

[mondo joe]

108. I do remember. And I remember how many people spotted it as BS.

And this doesn't let Bush off the hook - he lied and he fucked up royally -- is that the Bush talking points you imagine?

If congresss wants to play the game that they didn't know any better, fine, they can play it. I don't mind. But I'm not playing it myself.

[Old and In the Way]

110. They provided Bush a loaded gun...with warning labels.

He didn't read the warning labels. Bush and the Republican majority own the Iraq debacle.

[mondo joe]

111. They both own the debacle.

They can't pass it all off. They gave Bush a blank check when it is constitutionally THEIR right alone to declare war.

[Old and In the Way]

114. OK, Joe...keep seeding the Democrats = Republicans meme

here. Whatever flaots your swiftboat.

[mondo joe]

116. Can't defend them so you disparage me? Nice.

Dems don't = repubs.

But dems have to own up to their own failures.

I'm sorry you don't believe in accountability.

[mondo joe]

66. That Bush did wrong does not mitigate the poor judgment of the dems

who acted out of political fear.

[stepnw1f]

38. Can Ya Prove EVERYONE Knew?

Did everyone really know what Bush and his people were up to? Did they expect Bush to illegally invade a sovereign nation. Were they aware of the Downing Street Minutes? Did they also believe Bush would rip off the Treasury? Didn't Bush cancel talks at the UN before EVERY UN Representative voted? Did they expect this from Bush and his people?

Uh uh... not even rational.

[mondo joe]

63. If DU could see it they could too. Shockingly bad judgment either

way.

[Old and In the Way]

73. Do DU members have constituents?

I believe most of us are accountable only to ourselves. Our opinions, while informed, were of no consequence to anyone but ourselves.

If you were in Congress and your "no" was ultimately wrong, how would you explain that to your constituents? You need to separate a private opinion from a public opinion. I suspect most Democrats thought the IWR vote was bullshit and timed to provide a Hobson's Choice to the Congressional Democrats. But we were told that Iraq had WMD that could do up mushroom clouds on US soil in less than 45 minutes. That there were barges off the Eastern seaboard from which missles could be launched. If you were Kerry, you're pretty sure...maybe 99% sure that's it's total BS. But if that 1% provided Hussein with the opportunity to launch/detonate a nuke and say, wasted, Worcester....how'd Kerry be able to explain his vote to his constituents?

This is why what Bush did is incredibly damaging to this country. Future Presidents will be hamstrung by this precedent Bush hatched on this country. There was no compelling national interest to invade...it was done to promote an agenda that furthered Bush-Big Oil-Republican interests. How will future Presidents (particularly minority party Presidents) be able to argue national interests without the opposition Party using the Bush precedent to justify reluctance to provide bi-partisan support? Considering modern weapon technology, that could have dire consequences for this country, sometime in the future.

[dalaigh lllama]

77. Yup. Those pesky constituents

Just to add to your argument: we must remember the vote on the Iraq war resolution was in October 2002, right before elections. I'm guessing most constituents at the time were expecting their reps and senators to be helping to "fight the terrorists" who had those WMD's in Iraq!1!1!

[mondo joe]

86. If you were in Congress and your "yes" vote was ultimately wrong how

would you explain THAT to your constituents?

Ooops, that's what happened!

So now they say "Oh oh, we were deceived!"

Presidents are SUPPOSED to be hamstrung by Congress on this matter. But Congress abdicated its responsibility by giving Bush a blank check.

They could have called for more evidence. They could have required Bush to do what he said he'd do. They could have required a lot - but they didn't. They failed their own due diligence.

[Old and In the Way]

95. Nothing to explain. Bush is the one that needs to explain why he

took this country to war based on cooked intel. What is so difficult in understanding that concept? It was always the last option for the Democrats. Why not go read what Kerry actually said with regards to his IWR vote?

"Presidents are SUPPOSED to be hamstrung by Congress on this matter." No, I don't think there's any civic's argument that says Congress should assume the worst of its Presidents and hamstring them on decisions that can effect the national security of the country. What Congress should do is hold Presidents who lie to take us to war accountable. I'd impeach him and hang him. Then, future dictators might have second thoughts about starting a war for political gain.

When it comes to making a case for war, a President shouldn't be lying to the Congress and the American people.

I suspect that, had the Democrats been in the majority in Congress, Bush would have thought really long and hard as to whether he'd have marched this country into this quagmire. But he had his rubberstamping Republican Congress who have rolled on everything this administration has done. And the American people should recognize this and elect Democrats who will demand this accountability.

[mondo joe]

99. Blame isn't limited to one party.

And if it was REALLY the last resort as far as the dems were concerned they could have said "come back when it's the last resort and we'll vote on it it then."

No. Instead they abdicated their responsibility by giving Bush a blank check.

[Old and In the Way]

104. Hey, Bush and Rove appreciate your support

Keep diffusing the responsibility away from those who actually have ownership of committing our troops to Iraq.

[mondo joe]

107. What support is that? I already said THEY are responsible for what THEY

did.

I don't know why you think only one person or party can be accountable.

[Old and In the Way]

109. Your point is to hold Democrats to the same level of accountability

as Republicans. That's what the Republicans are selling today and I'm not buying it.

[mondo joe]

112. I'm sorry you can't bear to be honest even with your own party.

But I can.

Bush fucked up, Bush lied, Bush should be impeached.

The dems in congress showed extraordinarily poor judgment and abdicated their own responsibility.

[Old and In the Way]

115. We'll have to agree to disagree.

They didn't abdicate any responsibility, though. Nothing they could have done would have changed the outcome.

[mondo joe]

117. They could have voted AGAINST the IWR.

But you already established you don't believe in Congress's responsibility over declaration of war.

[stepnw1f]

36. I Agree (nt)

[54anickel]

25. I think Russert was looking for the "misled" answer and didn't get it.

So he had to ask it straight out, and Murtha's response was the intelligence was "exaggerated". Same term being used by Germany in the LBN article on Curveball.

The part I liked the most was when Murtha was comparing Bush to Poppy cuz you just KNOW that's got to really rile up Jr. Can't remember the exact phrase but basically said Poppy knew what he was doing while implying Jr is a clueless boy-wonder going it alone.

[bvar22]

40. "exaggerating" IS "misleading"

From Merriam Webster:
"To enlarge beyond the bounds of truth"

[54anickel]

57. True, but mislead implies known intent. Exaggerated

doesn't seem to imply any intent. It states the fact that you've gone "beyond the bounds of truth" without implying why you did it.

I guess if you're going to try to avoid using the term lied, if you're trying to remain objective, then exaggerated might be the better choice.

No matter how you make the statement, it is damning for Bushco.

Exaggerated just seems to come off as more objective and less partisan. It will be interesting to see if more critics of the war start to use the term - that's about the only point I was trying to convey.

[shooga]

32. Corporate Timmy ....

..... was caught with his corporate GE tail wrapped around his ADM legs.

[wildeyed]

46. Wasn't it refreshing to hear a politician say "I was wrong"?

And why has it taken the dems so long to do it?

I also liked the way he handled the quotes from Pelosi and the others by saying this is a non-partisan issue, a serious issue and it needs to be addressed. Cut right through the spin.

[wryter2000]

18. Awesome

To tell you the truth, it looks as if Russert is deliberately feeding him straight lines to riff on.

[Webster Green]

20. Just watched it on the left coast...

Murtha is simply amazing! He's a bunker buster to the heart of the neo-con agenda. :nuke:

I know my hopelessly brainwashed repuke mom watches Timmy every week, and I'm relishing the thought of her seeing Murtha tell the truth about the war-chimp and his idiotic adventures. }(

[Stephanie]

26. When he said 2000 dead, 30,000 wounded, 15,000 of those gravely injured

and then went on to talk about the guy who was blinded and lost a leg and they sent him to a different hospital to see if they could save his sight and he started getting BILLS. The HORRIBLE debilitating injuries they are suffering.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

30. It was a great interview. Murtha can become a real problem for Jr.

[buddysmellgood]

35. Russert: Did Bushco deliberately mislead us with the intelligence? Murtha:

Yes and no.
That's obviously not a direct quote, but Murtha said he couldn't believe a president would deliberately mislead us into war, and then said that the administration clearly exaggerated. I say exaggeration is misleading.

[SammyWinstonJack]

41. And I say misleading=LYING!

Why can't the L word be used? :banghead:

[buddysmellgood]

84. Good point. Misleading, misleading pants are bleeding, just doesn't carry

the same weight.

[Old and In the Way]

74. Sounds like a good reason to call for an Independent Investigation.

How can anyone state "Bush mislead" or "Bush didn't mislead" with any certainty? Obviously, Republicans won't investigate Bush....unless, of course, evidence of oral sex is introduced. But this country needs to know the truth. Seems that a bogus case for war is a damn good reason to have a truely independent commission (one that Bush does not get to pick the captains) to get to the truth.

[rman]

102. misleading is deliberate by definition (see your dictionary)

[stepnw1f]

39. Murtha Does Not Believe Bush Intentionally Misled Country

I disagree with him there. And he should have stated, that he did not vote for an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation, which was no imminent threat to us.

[spanone]

47. I disagree with him too, but I'm glad he's using this tactic.

It shuts up those who call it all politics, and those that say he is only out to get the chimp. It makes it harder for the right to dismiss him.

[thebigidea]

52. since when does it shut them up? They've been attacking him for days.

[WinkyDink]

53. Yes. FITZGERALD will eventually give his tacit imprimatur

to our using the "L" word.
And the evidence will be there for the world to see.

[54anickel]

61. I agree, for now let the facts speak for themselves. It was a good

answer to the way the question was worded. "Did Bush mislead..." You can't really say yes, as you don't know what was going on in that empty skull. But the data so far shows that the facts were exaggerated, for what purpose - no one can say at this time. (It's a pretty safe supposition, but not yet proven.) It needs to be investigated.

Look how the Repubs play the word games, about things not being illegal, didn't break any laws, etc. Doesn't matter to them if it was immoral on unethical. Face it, they can spin and lie their way out of calling them liars and cheats, it's a gift. Hell, the can avoid testifying under oath, and make it sound reasonable! They play on emotions and we need to avoid feeding into that. That's how they think, that's their defense, it's what they excel at. But they cannot deal with hard facts - never could.

[OzarkDem]

59. A fundamental weakness in our party

If we are ever to regain democracy in the US we must insist our Dem leaders abandon the "old boy network" and hold members of both parties to higher standards of ethics and accountability.

Having our Dem leaders with "blind spots" this large when it comes to bipartisan leadership and quality policy development is an incredibly serious concern.

[Cleita]

67. ...

wrong post, sorry.

[alfredo]

78. Damn, he's good.

whether the pentagon generals are talking through him, or he is speaking from his heart, it doesn't matter, he is telling the truth well.

[spanone]

79. Why should the truth sound sooo good? Cause we NEVER hear it

from Washington types.

[alfredo]

82. We need more soldiers and less corporate shills.

There's a different ethos with the soldier.

[OzarkDem]

89. Not good enough

He should have figured this out from the beginning instead of letting Cheney dupe him.

He sounds as though he's still willing to forgive and forget when it comes to the likes of Bushco and the neocons.

I'm glad he's seen the light, but once this is finished, this should be the end of his career. No Dem should ever allow himself to be played that way again.

[0007]

81. Rummy just coppered him on FAUX

[FreedomAngel82]

90. He does great

:)

[jzodda]

92. I was lurking

over at Freeperville and there is a long thread there asking if he is a traitor. The hate they are spewing at this man was hard to stomach. It is sometimes hard for me to believe that there are people who really think like that.

Living in insulated NY I do not ever meet people in person with nutty views like that, so I guess its why I get so surprised. They call him scum, traitor, dishonor his service- the whole thing. I think I will try to stay away from that hate site till right after the 06 election when we slam them into the ground. Then I can go there to gloat :)

[nicknameless]

96. Too bad he's so tepid on why we went to war:

Russert: "Last question. Was the intelligence provided by the administration deliberately misleading?"

Murtha: "I wouldn’t say that. I don’t think any President would mislead the public on the intelligence. They certainly exaggerated, but I don’t think they deliberately mislead us."

[spanone]

100. I think the public can read through that statement.

So we were exaggerated into war...

[Tarc]

101. Keep in mind

That while his current blistering criticism skewering The Bush War is quite welcome, Murtha is stilll a conservative through and through. The man is going to have plenty of positions and beliefs that conflict with the majroity of the DU here, so just keep up the support on this issue.

[nicknameless]

113. We were LIED into war.

The yellow cake line alone was KNOWN to be patently false.

[Supersedeas]

106. Timmie' was showing his true colors