Mark Warner is running for President

[Renew Deal]

Count on it. He's in. Watch his C-Span appearance in front of the New Hampshire Democrats. Here's how I know he's running.

1. He's in NH.
2. He's talking to Democrats.
3. He's talking about national issues. (Deficits, jobs, security)
4. He said "It's all going to come out anyway."

Yep, he's running and I like what he's saying. He's very straight forward, calm and had a good presence.

EDIT: He also said that NH has the first primary and should always have it. Yup, he's running.

[Captain Hilts]

1. He just said NEW-cue-ler. GRRRRRRRR nt

[ultraist]

2. That's odd, he grew up in CT n/t

[Duer 157099]

5. Never seen him, never heard him, but if he really said that

He's already disqualified in my mind.

It's my litmus test for the minimal intelligence required of *anyone* living in the NUKULAR age

[Renew Deal]

7. I heard that

:hide:

[SharonRB]

71. That's it, I can't vote for him

I can't take another 4 or 8 years of hearing it mispronounced.

[elsiesummers]

84. A theory: "nucuelar" or "nucahluhr" are poll tested...really

Reasons I believe this: first, remarkably, when Bush addressed the British House of Commons he said "nuclear" correctly!

Secondly, I too have heard many educated politicians come out with "nucahluhr" and I truely think they have poll tested this pronunciation and found that it polls well. There must be a significant group of people who don't like it when politicians sound all uppity and say "nuclear," like they're better than us when they talk all fancy, or sumpin'.

Anyway, that's what I think.

[Captain Hilts]

85. My dad was a submariner, and if we said that, we got slapped! nt

[soleft]

3. I won't vote for him and I won't support him

[Renew Deal]

10. Good.

That's the bold Democrat hating vision I expect at DU.

[skipos]

42. Funny! nt

[geek tragedy]

54. Lol! eom

[soleft]

60. I meant to reply to your post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5416399&mesg_id=5418932

[soleft]

59. I would support Gore, Edwards, Dean, Clark, Feingold

I would support Kerry, and probably Hillary.

Warner is probably the one candidate I would not support.

Wait, I wouldn't support Leiberman.

God, I hate Dems.

[AuntPatsy]

4. I'm watching, it is wise for all of us to begin taking a closer

look at all democratic individuals, he does have prescence, but I will have to learn much more....

So far he seems interesting..

[Renew Deal]

12. A year from now

the circus of Democratic challengers begins. We're not that far off and that's frightening.

[Kahuna]

15. LOL! Don't remind me...

:scared:

[AuntPatsy]

28. Very true..

[Straight Shooter]

43. Well, there you go.

We honestly need someone with charisma. It always seems to work for Democrats. Unfortunately, competence and intellect just don't seem to matter much to the American public anymore. If Warner has charisma, competence and intellect, then I'll support him.

But I still want Governor Schweitzer of Montana for president 2008. :)

[FreedomAngel82]

45. Right

I want to learn more too. I'm slowly starting to like him but I'm not going to totally make a decision on who to support until 2008 when all the canidates are in. Who knows who will emerge.

[Kahuna]

6. He's giving all the signals. I wonder if Hillary is watching him..

tonight. Hopefully he will be her biggest competition. She SHOULD be very concerned. He said a couple of weeks ago on CSPAN Q&A that he would be willing to spend some of his own money if it came down to that.

[northzax]

16. he really can't spend his own money

under campaign finance rules, he can't give any more to the campaign than you or I can. He can, however, loan money to the campaign (Kerry did it in 04, he mortgaged his house) with no expectation of being paid back.

[elsiesummers]

89. I think he's running for veep.

It seems to me that if the nominee picks the veep based on geography or voting constituencies, the obvious choices will be Warner, Bayh and Richardson.

I think Warner is hoping that he'll be picked as Veep based on the idea of Democrats winning VA.

My one thought on this is that the top of the ticket will also have to be of the New Democrat variety if the Dems ever hope to win VA.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Hillary Clinton/Mark Warner ticket.

I'm not endorsing any of these possibilities - just standing back and looking at what's going on and making speculative predictions. (In fact I hope for Edwards/Feingold, though I'm flexible and somewhat undecided on support).

[bluestateguy]

8. I'm sure he's just in New Hampshire to scout for moose

Seriously, isn't this guy still a little green, like Edwards? How many elections has he won? One. Hardly a tested candidate.

Maybe he should run for John Warner's senate seat in 2008 instead.

[Renew Deal]

13. You were correct about John Warners term

Allen would be a better challenge in 2006. And didn't you support Clark in 2004?

[bluestateguy]

34. I did support Clark

and his rookie campaign skills showed, as did Edwards for that matter.

Clark is not a rookie anymore, so we'll see.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Not a rookie?

LOL. So what office has Clark held? :eyes:

[Clark2008]

88. Does that matter?

Who the fuck cares? It's about leadership and Clark has oodles of that.

I, for one, don't want anymore pandering politicians who attend nearly all-white, all-male secret societies that may or may not use the working class as pawns.

I want a LEADER

[Renew Deal]

99. Like speaking at a Republican Party fundraiser?

[Clark2008]

100. So what?

He was a public speaker at the time. He also spoke at a Democratic Fundraiser that same month. Speaking on military matters to all sorts of people was how he made money.

Big deal.

If that's your best shot, then "boo-ya." Because Independent and mushy middle and swing voters in the general election won't give a flying flip about that.

[Renew Deal]

101. I know.

It's just the hypocrisy of it all that's astounding.

[Clark2008]

104. It's hypocritical to reach out?

Man.. you really don't want to win any elections, do you?

[Renew Deal]

108. How many elections has Clark won?

I'll give him Oklahoma. That's one of the most conservative states in the union. What does that say for Clark?

[Penndems]

9. Mark has a new website, too - "Forward Together"

Got an E-mail from him last Thursday.

Website address is: http://www.forwardtogetherpac.com/

Sure sounds Presidential to me! :)

[DavidBowman]

11. He's good

As for nuke-u-lar, I've always believed that this was an affectation of folksiness. Everyone knows how to pronounce the word, and enough hay is made about it in the media, so that anyone in public should pronounce it the correct way- unless they know that there is a political advantage in saying it wrong.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Maybe it's his accent

:shrug: And could be for Bush too. Who knows. It is weird though.

[elsiesummers]

90. "unless they know that there is a political advantage in saying it wrong."

Bingo.

My theory: the incorrect pronunciation is poll tested and it is done deliberately by politicians on both side of the aisle.

Don't want them uppity politicians soundin' too edjumuhcated! Ah likes mah presnut a little rough round de edges - kina guy who'd buy me a beyur and watch NASCAR. Know whut ah mean?

[DavidBowman]

111. That's exactly right

And that's the world we live in. Sigh.

[Clark2008]

14. Bilderberger.

:puke:

[Renew Deal]

17. It amazes me that Clark people would be averse to Warner.

I find it ironic.

[Clark2008]

24. Why?

Warner has no foreign policy gravitas and, if you haven't noticed, we're in a fucked-up war.

Warner would be good if it were 1992 or if Shrub hadn't screwed our foreign policy up so much, but he did and now we need someone who knows the international ropes and has respect in the international community to clean up Shrub's mess.

The only thing Warner and Clark truly have in common is that they're from red states - but Warner's much more of a corporist than Clark and much more conservative.

[Renew Deal]

36. And Clark

has no Domestic Policy gravitas. The funny thing is that we're not doing so well here either. No one will have the foreign policy experience of a guy like Clark. Some will say McCain does, but no one really does. This country doesn't care about it too much.

What do you base Warner being more conservative on? How can you make that comparison? Is ti based on Clark's long progressive and Democratic record?

[Clark2008]

87. Oh, yes, he does.

You just don't read very much:

http://clark04.com/issues/

People forget that Clark has a master's in economics, worked in the White House Office of Management and Budget and ran a freakin' small country, basically, as head of NATO. He also is a succuessful businessman and knows what it's like to live on less thann $50,000 and raise a kid.

Stop showing your ignorance.

Warner's, what? The head of the Virginia National Guard? What war did Warner win? How does he feel about the war in Iraq? Does Warner know how to reflexively deal with heads of state from countries with very different cultures than ours? Does Warner know the first thing about international diplomacy?

He might know some of that, but, when comparing the two, I'd say Clark has much more domestic gravitas than Warner has foreign policy ones.

[Renew Deal]

94. I appreciate the insults.

Do you know I am one of the original Draft Clark people. I know the Draft Clark movement from the inside, so spare me the insults. You don't have to give me the issue positions on Clark. I was one of the people that did the research and put them together. My words were used on some of the Draft Clark websites including your small country reference.

Your comparison is bizarre. They are not equals on foreign or domestic policy. Clark is better on foreign, Warner is better on domestic based on experience alone.

What budgets has Clark pushed through the state legislature? What programs has he created for the poor? Other than managing his small country aka a military base in another country, the answer is none. Stop showing your ignorance.

[Clark2008]

102. Budgets...

Clark ran them for NATO and had to go through the United States CONGRESS to get them passed - a bit tougher than a state general assembly.

Programs he created for the poor - let's see... he got more money for the education of the poorest in our society: the children of the men and women of our armed services, many of whom live off welfare. The schools, the roads, the housing and the health care of the servicemen and women and their families were his responsibility.


And, obviously, you didn't do much more than sign a draft petition, because you don't know much more than that about his background. I bet you didn't even know he worked in the White House Office of Management and Budget on special projects concerning the economy.

And, until you stop acting like Clark has NO domestic background, I will continue to think you're showing your ignorance. The point is, again, that Clark has more domestic policy background than Warner does foreign policy background.

[Renew Deal]

107. I'm not acting.

Clark has no domestic background.

You know how you know that Clark got budgets passed through Congress? It came out of his book. That talking point came from me amongst others. I was the one up late at night working on that section. I don't care what you say about me, believe about my background or whatever. I know Clark better than you think. That's why I can see through the talking points that I wrote to a degree.

Saying Clark has more domestic policy background than Warner has foreign policy background is truly ignorant. Clark has 0 domestic policy background and what do you get when you multiply by 0? 0.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Oh give me a break!

You think foreign policey is everything? LOL! Oh please. When I look at a canidate I want to see what they will do for me and everyone. Not just foreign policey. Bill Clinton didn't have foreign policey but he still was a really great president. He's a freakin governor! Governor's don't have foreign policey! This is why it's important on who you put in your cabinet. Doy! And what the hell else does Clark have? He has never held any other sort of office seating, so how do I know he's not going to bankrupt the country or make huge mistakes all over the place? Clark should sink his teeth into politics before jumping into the big leagues. Same with anyone else. Only time I support a rookie is for Congress or the Senate and if they don't do the job I think they should than I vote them out.

[Clark2008]

86. Grow up and look around you.

Do you think someone would win our very military (the Volunteer) state without it? Bush was perceived to have had it and Gore was perceived not to - even though the opposite was true. Who won?

Please.

We are in a war and will be in a war or getting out of a war by 2008. A military history and/or foreign policy history would be a coup for us - Clark has both.

Foreign policy DOES directly effect domestic policy - look at outsourcing and China and the worldwide economy. It's not just about wars - and Clark's fully aware of the military-industrial-complex and how to most effectively combat that.

And, if you don't think being a four-star general, campaigning for the likes of John Kerry, Tim Kaine and Paul Hackett, along with running for office for himself, isn't "big-time" politics, then you need to pay more attention.

I don't like Warner for the head of the ticket because he's a corporist - and that bugs me. When Warner was attending the secret Bilderberg, Clark was attending a truly international meeting that included Arabs, Israeli's, Africans and others who would never be invited to Bilderberg. That's the difference.

[Renew Deal]

96. Doesn't Clark sit on over 30 boards of directors?

The hypocrisy is astounding.

[Clark2008]

105. So - I pointed out he was a good businessman

But he didn't attend some big secret society meeting of nearly all-white, all-male attendees, either.

He's up-front about the boards on which he sits: many of which involve diplomacy, caring for the environment, working to make the world a better place.

Not hypocritical at all.

[ruggerson]

41. You'll find here on DU that the biggest bashers of Warner

are Clark supporters. Funny thing is, they were bashing him even before they knew anything about him.

It's almost reflexive, it seems.

[FreedomAngel82]

49. With me personally

I like to learn about someone before I bash them. Oh and after Tim Kaine won the governorship I remember listening to Rhandi Rhodes and in the first hour I believe she told that Virgina had the best economy in the country and was raited number one. Any Virginian's know about that?

[elsiesummers]

93. Allen rescinded the car property tax and left an unbalanced budget mess.

Warner cleaned up the fiscal disaster that Allen left behind. This is why he is well liked in VA. My parents, Democrats, of course were pro Warner. But what I find interesting is a close friend who is a pro-Business, objectivist, George Bush Republican also voted for Mark Warner.

I do know that apparently the VA budget was a train wreck and Warner managed to work with the State Legislature to actually pragmatically create a working budget.

Of course, they never should have killed the car tax, but that's done.

I get the impression that Warner could possibly bring VA (which is why it was so important for him to see Tim Kaine win) and this is what he really brings. Can't imagine that he's really running for anything but veep, though.

[Crunchy Frog]

57. That's just plain bullshit.

There are some supporters of individual candidates who bash other candidates, but the vast majority of them don't. And Clark supporters don't do it any more than any other group of supporters.

There are just some groups of people on here who like to reflexively bash Clark supporters for some reason.

I'm a Clark supporter and I haven't said a fucking word about Warner and don't like being subject to baseless accusations.

[ruggerson]

58. Didn't say all, or even most, Clark supporters were

I said the biggest Warner bashers happened to be Clark supporters. I've seen it in tons of Warner threads. And I'm not the only one to notice it. And I would hope most Clark supporters are not bashers of MW.

[Clark2008]

92. Hon, my family is from Virginia.

They like Warner. Warner's OK - but I'm tired of corporists, which Warner is.

That's what I bash him on - not his only four years as governor or whatever - but the fact that he attended Bilderberg, a secret society, whilst Clark was at a very public and more international - in terms of who was invited - event trying to shape policy in the OPEN and not behind some money-protected closed door.

[geek tragedy]

55. That's better than being a Fox News Democrat?

I'd actually be enthusiastic for either candidate, and them together as a ticket would be lights out.

[AuntPatsy]

18. Interesting, a man just asked Mark Warner next time he comes there

to please not just talk about a good health plan, show them a plan...he just nodded his head and said he had one?

[Renew Deal]

20. He said that he had some ideas.

But he shouldn't talk about a plan until early 2007 the earliest.

[AuntPatsy]

22. Why? Honestly I am attempting to be more knowledgeable on

politics so why should he wait to present a plan?

Does this have to do with the fact that if he is running, he doesn't want to show his hand too soon?

[Renew Deal]

26. Because he's technically not running now.

I would think it would have to do with showing his hand. Also, Hillary and crew know that he's probably the strongest challenger.

[AuntPatsy]

29. Your right than, smart move to wait.

[FreedomAngel82]

50. What I see going on with the democrats

Is nobody is talking about 2008 now but focusing on 2006. I saw the part where he was talking to people and answering question's and he got asked a few times about 2008 and he just kept saying he wasn't going to say anything about 2008 but work on helping other canidates in 2006. The democrats seem unified with that. When Dean was recently on "Meet the Press" I believe it was he was asked about plans and replied they weren't going to start talking about plans till next year. And no you don't want to give away your plans because anyone could take them (even a republican).

[LostinVA]

19. Wish he would run against that idiot George Allen first

Serve a term or two, then run for Prez. I'd vote for him. But, first PLEASE get rid of the other fake cowboy... George Allen.

[geek tragedy]

56. If you want to be President, do NOT run for Senate.

Senators are almost unelectable for the big chair.

[AuntPatsy]

21. A must watch to show how he interacts with real people asking

real questions on real issues, much better than a solo speech.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Oh yes

I love watching that too because, to me, it shows how they are as a person by how they are with people. I enjoyed watching him. He joked with some and whenever he was asked a question, no matter what it was, he took it seriously and treated the person with respect and made eye contact. That's important I think about a person.

[Catherine Vincent]

23. How old is he?

He's too young looking.

[AuntPatsy]

25. I would guess early forties but I have no idea.

[Kahuna]

27. He's 50.

nt

[FreedomAngel82]

52. Seriously?

He looks younger than that.

[Penndems]

30. Mark is 51

Born on December 15, 1954.

[Ignacio Upton]

40. He will be the exact

Same age Bush was in 2000 if he runs.

[AuntPatsy]

31. Hes being asked questions about iraq and what he would do

He was asked if he was running for presidnet, he said he doesn't have time right now? Or maybe I didn't hear him right?

[AuntPatsy]

32. Democrats need to have an approach....

[AuntPatsy]

33. A woman asked if she could have a picture with the future president

he said sure, I guess he is thinking about it.

[Kahuna]

35. You didn't hear him right. In response to a question about..

when he will make a decision about running he said, I don't have a "timeframe."

[AuntPatsy]

39. Ahh, thank you for clarifying...

[Renew Deal]

37. I thought he said that he didn't have a timeline.

But I didn't hear it well.

[wisteria]

38. I saw the C-Span show too, I'll keep an open mind, but I still like

Kerry.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. Same here

But anything could happen and Kerry might not run again or win the primaries again.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. I think so too

Call it a "gut feeling". I knew when I first saw him a few months ago I knew he was running. I also remember back in March or around there reading he went to Bilderberg and had a good indictation. I saw the last minutes of him on CSPAN earlier this evening (I'm going to tape the re-run later tonight) and saw him answering question's from people. I liked what he said about Iraq and the UN and he said that New Hampshire should still be a major part of the process but also let all the other states have a say too and agreed with Dean on that too. Does he support Dean and the DNC anybody know?

[Nye Bevan]

61. Of course he is running

Moderate Southern governor... young, charismatic, energetic, a refreshing contrast to the discredited and incompetent republican administration... does any of this ring a bell?

This is his opportunity and he would be stupid not to jump on it. Check out the tradesports line-- if Hillary (probability 43%) doesn't make it, he is the overwhelming second favorite (21% probability).

http://www.tradesports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?evID=23190&eventSelect=23190&updateList=true&showExpired=false

[Renew Deal]

62. He will be the anti-Hillary.

Is that the setup, because that's the way it appears. Did you notice the republican side? George Allen, the senator from Virginia is #2 for them. Where is that coming from? I bet the pukes would want to run Allen. Warner might win his own state in the General Election. http://www.tradesports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?evID=23190&eventSelect=23190&updateList=true&showExpired=false

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. Let him run. His "Sensible Center" approach isn't going to win

the nomination. I'll work my behind off for ANYONE who isn't the RW of the Democratic Party. This party needs to get away from the DLC "sensible center" politics.

[Nye Bevan]

65. The "sensible center" approach....

may lose him some fans on this board, but it is "real world" votes that win the nomination.

And in the real world, a young, handsome, charismatic southern governor, with a full head of hair, reaching out to the sensible center, has an excellent chance of winning more votes than a Kucinich or Dean style firebrand.

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Handsome?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: IMCPO, He's U-G-L-Y. He's not even CLOSE to handsome.:puke:

And what exactly IS the "real world?" 70,000 Democrats on DU who worked their asses off for the Democratic Party AREN'T the "real world?" I beg to differ.

[Renew Deal]

69. That's just wrong.

Shameful

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. Shameful? Why is that shameful?

He /she said he was handsome and I think he's UGLY. WTF is so Shameful about an opinion? Just because YOU think one way it does not make everyone else's opinions wrong or shameful. IMCPO, the man is UGLY.

[Renew Deal]

74. Saying he's ugly

On DU is completely inappropriate. Political attacks are OK, but that's just wrong.

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. Why? Someone can make a complimentary comment about his looks, but

I can't give my honest opinion? That's crap. I, PERSONALLY, think the man is ugly. Since when is an opinion on someone's looks taboo on DU? :eyes:

[Renew Deal]

78. Calling fellow Democrats ugly

is not appropriate. At least we all know what you base your support for a candidate on.

[in_cog_ni_to]

79. I base my support on the fact the man says the Democratic Party needs to

have a "sensible center" to win. I call BULLSHIT on that statement and yours...accusing me of choosing my candidates on looks. How ludicrous.

[Renew Deal]

81. You said it

Not me. I call BULLSHIT on you bashing Warner when you support Clark. Warner was a Dem party chair when Clark was doing Republican fundraisers, so spare me the liberal purity crap.

[elsiesummers]

103. Well, he's not handsome (IMO), but that's not all bad.

While I am an Edwards fan, I certainly think that being "pretty" actually hurt him as much as helped him. It's created a situation where because he looks young and handsome his opinions are sometimes taken less seriously.

Seems like being too good looking, Ken Doll good looking, like Edwards or Bayh, can come across as not "manly".

I don't think they'll be calling Warner "the breck girl". That's not necessarily a bad thing.

Seems like being handsome is a two sided coin. Sometimes the ugly guy (think of Fred Thompson, as an example) gets taken more seriously.

[Renew Deal]

68. Clark polls at 4% in the "real world."

And Clark ran 4 years ago. A popular governor from a red state that makes a whole lot of sense will be a good challenger for Hillary.

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. Bullshit. He's way too moderate.

Why the hell do you think we are now a MINORITY PARTY? Because we're TOO LIBERAL? NO. It's because we don't give the voters a CHOICE. There is VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE between the RWers and the DLC "sensible center." We need a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT to be our nominee.

[Renew Deal]

80. I also think we need a liberal Democrat

I'm just not sure what you are basing it on. There is nothing to judge Clark on besides his flirtation with the Republicans. There is no such thing for Warner, so don't preach your purity bullshit. It's hypocritical.

[Renew Deal]

66. Another Clark person bashing Warner

"Sensible Center"? What is Clark? A progressive hero of the left?

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. If I recall, you use to be a Clark supporter too....for a while.

you should know the answer to that question. He's more LIBERAL than Warner. That's for damn sure.

[Renew Deal]

73. I was a Clark person till the say he dropped

And hoped he would get VP. I am just making an observation that the Clark crowd as bashing him reflexively. You're basing Clark's liberalness on what? He has no record.

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. LOL! Wow...love the "support" for Clark.

:eyes: With support like that, who needs....?

He was one of THE MOST LIBERAL CANDIDATES in the Primary. Where were you? His policies are still up on the web if you need to refresh your memory.

[Renew Deal]

82. Right, his website.

There's not much else.

[Clark2008]

95. "They?"

Who's "they?"

Clark dropped because he didn't want to strap his workers after the media made the race between Kerry and that pipsqueak Edwards. He was being honorable.

[Renew Deal]

97. Right... It wasn't Clarks fault he lost.

It was the big evil media that lost if for him. What happened in Iowa? How did Kerry and Dean know that the entire race was Iowa?

[Clark2008]

106. The media didn't even mention Clark won Oklahoma

for a fucking WEEK!! They so wanted that pipsqueak Edwards to eventually be awarded it.

They only mentioned his driver got fined for speeding.

Give me a break and wake up! The media did a number on both Clark AND Dean.

They put Dean under a microscope so harsh, that a scream over a rally was made to sound like the musings of an insane man and they completely ignored Clark. Both were the darlings of the grassroots and the media didn't like that they were garnering support. Oh - and both Dean and Clark were on record as being against media conglomeration and for the return of the Fairness Doctrine. Go figure.

[Nye Bevan]

83. I think that Clark might be an excellent VP choice for Warner

With Warner's lack of foreign policy experience, he absolutely needs a rock-solid, no-nonsense war-on-terrorism running mate. General Clark is one obvious choice. It would make a lot of sense for him to agree with Clark that he would be his VP choice, and to announce this publicly, ahead of the primaries. Then he would have a ready-made answer to critics questioning his foreign policy credentials ("General Clark and I will work as a team on this").

The "handsome" description was actually courtesy of my wife (given that she married me, her judgment on this front might be questionable).

[Clark2008]

91. Flip it.

The guy with military experience should be the CinC. The guy with governor experience should be the head of the Senate.

Makes more sense that way.

[Renew Deal]

98. Who was the last Democratic president that was a General?

Now you're going to tell me that you didn't vote for Clinton because he didn't have military experience, right?

[Nye Bevan]

109. Mark Warner is the guy with experience of winning elections

and managing a state. Clark is a great guy but I don't think he's the right man for the top of the ticket. I would love to see him as VP though.

[keta11]

64. Two recommendations

1) He should stop his bi-partisan BS
2) I want to see a more definite position on the Iraq war. He didnt seem to know what he was talking about (looked lost) on the Iraq war question.

[ruggerson]

110. The "bi partisan BS"

wins elections. The base is going to vote for him because he will nominate progressive Supreme Court Justices and will eventually get us out of Iraq sooner rather than later and will attempt to finally fix healthcare.

The center will vote for him because of the "Bi Partisan BS". They like to hear talk about bringing the country together. They are not rabid partisans like you and I. Remember "I am a uniter not a divider"? That helped dimwit a lot in the polls. The difference is Warner means it, has done it, and will do it in Washington.