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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:56 PM
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An answer to not having enough forces in Iraq
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 02:09 PM by ChipperbackDemocrat
My fellow Americans. To quote Morgan Freeman in Glory "It's time to ante up and kick in."

We don't have enough troops in Iraq and we do have a lot of voice clamoring for and against this war.

For those who believe that we have some "noble higher purpose". When in reality, that noble higher purpose is really something lower.

Others say "War is not the answer" when its really the only answer we have because of what we need to keep running everyday.

My answer is that we change the Selective Service system to form the United States Strategic Material Defense Selective Service System.

Every American with a driver license and a vehicle registered in the USA will be a part of this system and this process.

Your right to purchase and consume fossil fuels will be dependent on service to our nation's efforts to secure reliable access to petroleum.

All Americans with a driver license and vehicle registered between the ages of 18 and 45 will be subjected to mandatory military service in the U.S. Armed Forces if they wish to maintain their vehicle registrations and access to the purchase of petroleum fuels for said vehicles. In exchange for serving an 18 month tour of duty in which no less than 12 months of that tour will be spent in a defined combat theatre, the conscript will be allowed by law to maintain a vehicle registration and the right to purchase fuel for said vehicle, providing the means to pay for said fuel, for a period of 6 years for each tour of duty manned.

All Americans between 18 and 45, with a driver's license who register a hybrid vehicle that still use a form of petroleum power will serve a tour of duty 18 months in which no more than 6 months will be spend in a define combat theatre. Also, said conscript who falls under this criterion is exempted from any form of stop-loss action of postponement of the end of their tour of duty committment.

All Americans between the ages of 45 and 64, with a driver's license and a vehicle registered will serve a tour of duty of 18 months in a non-combat operation either in-or-out of theatre depending on need.

All Americans aged 65 or older with a driver's license and a vehicle registered will serve a 12-month tour of duty in non-combat operations at installations within the borders of the United States of America, its commonwealths and/or territories thereof.

All Americans with a driver license who register a vehicle that uses no petroleum or choses not to register a petroleum-powered vehicle will be exempted from this Selective Service as long as they chose not to register a petroleum-powered vehicle.

Any Selective Service-eligible American who does not register their car and is caught operating a petroleum powered vehicle and/or purchasing petroleum fuels without said registration will be considered in violation of Selective Service statues and will face penalities for the same.

In short. Are you willing to pay the REAL price of fueling your car?

I wonder how many of us would take this deal? Freeper and non-freeper alike?


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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:57 PM
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1. Wait, Are You Saying If I Buy Gas I Should Fight The War?
Please tell me that's not what you are saying.

Hey, I'll tell ya what, tell everyone to quit their jobs too since their taxes fund the war also.

:eyes:
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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:08 PM
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3. Hello Mindcrime
I'm not saying that exactly the way you are putting it.

What I'm saying is, if you wish to register a vehicle and wish to buy fuel for it, your name will be put in the pool. If your draft number comes up, you do have a choice.

You give up that registration or you get drafted.

Now the taxes issue in this particular instance is not the same thing.

Your taxes pay for a myriad of things, including unfortunately this war. You render onto Caesar what is Caesar's.

However, we don't have to render onto Amoco or King Faud, and there's no legal penalty for not serving. What you give up staying out of the system is the right to purchase a petroleum-powered automobile.

Now, if you get a car that runs on 100% moonshine, just invite me over for a drink and we'll toast to not having to go to Iraq.

Buy a 100% electric car. You aren't going.
Choose mass transit. You aren't going.

Rent a car, no biggie. But do you really want to give National or Budget all your money. Because believe me, if they get a lot of Oil Draft Dogders, they'll jack up the price real quick because they can make a buck.

I'm not trying to be a wisenheimer, a flamer, and I'm sure as hell not a freeper. I'm just looking to get people thinking because that is the #1 reason why are opponent are winning, because they depend on people not thinking.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:13 PM
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4. Ok, I appreciate your sentiment, and agree with the need
to decrease our dependance on oil. I also completely condone hybrids or fully electric vehicles.

But some of use do not yet have the opportunity to purchase one, and shouldn't be told they should fight a war because of that.

And sorry, but the tax analogy is accurate. Not all of the money for fuel goes to them either.

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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:33 PM
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6. The American Choice.
"But some of use do not yet have the opportunity to purchase one, and shouldn't be told they should fight a war because of that.

We have a lot of people in those uniforms because it was either that, no opportunity for higher education and advancement. We have a lot people in uniform because oil companies just have to make that dollar. That's why we are there.

Our opposition seek a society where we socialize the risk but privatize the profits from those risks. In this venture, we've all taken the risk and we are seeing the risk. The profit is major for them, but isn't a profit at all for me. But many average Americans believe it is because ultimately for them, it comes down to what keep us running everyday.


The point to what I'm proposing is you do have a choice. If you don't want to go, you can purchase a bus ticket, which means you'll be actively voting for candidates who want to expand mass transit.

This plan is part of a whole myriad things that we need to discussing and putting on the table to the American people, especially in the coming election year.

I'll agree this plan is pretty off-the-cuff, but lets consider what we need to put around it.

For starters, how about putting forth an initative to rebuild our nation's rail system? I don't want to use the cliche, but this is the country that put a man on the moon, you mean we can't build American Shinkansens that blanket our country, save fuel AND save us from the spoke-and-hub nightmare that our bankrupt air system is becoming.
Why not an American return to the rails? Our nation grew up on tracks, not trucks.

How about exchanging all those tax cuts (in time of war) for reinvestment in mass transit at the municipal and regional levels?

I like my car, and I'll admit it. But I also understand what it means. This plan is more geared towards the people who feel that "The American Way Of Life Is Non-Negotiable" and interpret that way as gluttony.

If its really non-negotiable, here's your M-16.


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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:14 PM
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5. Yeah but what I'm thinking is that this plan
is a lot like the mice's plan to bell the cat. Logical, in a way, but 100% undoable.

Still I guess I'm thinking.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:59 PM
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2. My husband will be making ours an electric tonight eom
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