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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:30 PM
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Al Gore wakes up from a nightmare
Al Gore had a nightmare where some Yokel had taken over the White House and totally and permanently wrecked America.

But, it was just a dream.

Al Gore then goes into the Oval Office and continues his second term as President.

All is good in the Nation.

Oil Prices are at a new low.
The Feelings of Democracy, Peace, and Calm are all over the world.
And, let's not forget that the Gore Administration easily stopped 19 Hijackers from trying to destroy the WTC back in 2001.

If only it were all just a dream.
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FDR33 Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:31 PM
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1. Thank-you Ralph Nader!!! (sarc)
Moron!
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Independent thinker Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:35 PM
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2. I totally agree
that things would obviously be different.

But to say 9/11 would have been prevented is a bit over the top
don't ya think?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:38 PM
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6. It depends
If you are a proponent of the LIHOP or MIHOP theories, then it isn't at all over the top.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:41 PM
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8. Not necessarily. Gore probably wouldn't have ignored the intelligence....
But then, per our MSM, that's why he's "boring," "wooden," a "policy wonk," etc. :grr:
http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html
<snip>
However, there was in fact a great deal of specific information that WAS available prior to 9/11 that probably could have been used to prevent the tragedy. A recent analysis by the Merkle foundation, (working with data from a software company that received venture capital from a CIA-sponsored firm) demonstrates this point in a startling way:

"In late August 2001, Nawaq Alhamzi and Khalid Al-Midhar bought tickets to fly on American Airlines Flight 77 (which was flown into the Pentagon). They bought the tickets using their real names. Both names were then on a State Department/INS watch list called TIPOFF. Both men were sought by the FBI and CIA as suspected terrorists, in part because they had been observed at a terrorist meeting in Malaysia.

These two passenger names would have been exact matches when checked against the TIPOFF list. But that would only have been the first step. Further data checks could then have begun.
<snip>
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:52 PM
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9. I strongly feel that 9/11 would not have happened if BushCo had not been
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 06:54 PM by BrklynLiberal
in the White House. It was part of their agenda..
The PNAC "Second Pearl Harbor".
If they did not make it happen, they certainly allowed it to happen.
There were many, many warnings...many opportunities to have averted that tragedy. None of them were taken.

Call it tinfoil hat, or whatever you want...but that is what I truly believe.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:54 PM
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10. I doubt President Gore would have
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 07:15 PM by DefenseLawyer
spent the entire month of August on vacation. I doubt his attorney general would have told Richard Clarke that he didn't want to hear any more about terrorism. And I doubt nuts like Wolfowitz and Perle would have been setting out foreign policy agenda and a hack like Rummy focusing our military on Star Wars instead of terrorism. Who can really say if a different leadership group at justice would have led to a follow up on the phoenix memo. I don't think it takes a conspiracy theory to say that a Gore administration probably wouldn't have made all the mistakes that these clowns did.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:37 PM
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16. Sept 11th and President Gore
I'm less optimistic that President Gore would have been able to prevent all of what happened on September 11th from happening. He might have sacked Louis Freeh, but it's iffy as to whether he would have finished squashing Freeh's FBI's penchant for withholding info.

At the very least, I am certain that President Gore would have had much stiffer airline security, at least a few of the September 11th hijackers in custody, and sky marshals on at least some US domestic flights.

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:01 PM
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12. Not so over the top.
Gore wouldn't have switched defense focus from counterterrorism back to ICBMs.

Gore would have read, AND understood, memos and briefs.

And remember Gore's 1996 airline security commission? It's not so far-fetched to think he'd have implemented at least some of its recommendations as president, especially with a Democratic Senate.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:13 PM
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13. About 9/11 and Gore.
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 07:17 PM by longship
But to say 9/11 would have been prevented is a bit over the top don't ya think?

There were clear warnings for 9/11. In particular, the "Al Qaeda determined to attack in US" security memo would certainly have raised eyebrows in a Gore White House. In hind sight the hijackers did little to really hide their activities. They even used their real names.

It might go something like this.

<AP -- Sept. 9, 2001>Terrorist organization Al Qaeda leader, Osama Bin Laden, was captured today in the mountains of Afghanistan by US Marines. Bin Laden is said to have planned the prospective attack on US buildings foiled by the FBI last week. Attorney General Patrick Fitzgerald said that Bin Laden will be brought back to the US to stand trial just like the other 20 defendents in what is now being called the "September 11 case". Additionally, Bin Laden is wanted for several other terrorist attacks to which Fitzgerald said he would have to answer.

In a related matter, President Gore released the majority of the text of the presidential security memorandum from last month that enabled the FBI to act so quickly in this matter. During questioning by press today, the White House also gave credit to the CIA, the FBI, and Congress who had the foresight to put together a comprehensive plan of interagency cooperation last spring.
...

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:35 PM
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3. Al Gore and the rest of the nation.
Imagine ...
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:35 PM
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4. If Gore was in his second term , hopefully
... the oil prices would be a nonissue, because we'd actually be actively pursuing alternative sources.

Just a thought. :shrug:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:36 PM
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5. "I won't rule out any future interest" Al Gore nm
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:41 PM
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7. Oh, that would wake ME up from a nightmare of 5 years duration! ..n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:46 PM
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18. Me too. In the last few days, I keep thinking about that line that he
said. "I won't rule out any future interest in it." Al Gore said that or something extremely close to that this year sometime. That line runs through my head often lately and I think...I wonder if he knows something that the rest of us don't?

Hmm? I wonder?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:00 AM
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19. Gosh I hope so! I want these thugs out of office NOW...not 2008. ..n/t
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 06:55 PM
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11. Condi=9/11. Worst National Security Advisor Ever. nt
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:19 PM
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14. And there would have been fewer deaths during Katrina
Heckuvajobbrownie would never have been in that post.
The economy would not be in such shambles.
Americans would not have been so screwed with the new bankruptcy law.
There would not be an Alito aspiring to the bench.
We would be more respected in the world...MUCH more respected.

I could go on and on.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:32 PM
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15. There Must Have Been Divine Intervention Somewhere...
There must have been divine intervention somewhere. Did the Almighty send a vision to Richard Scaife telling him to lay off liberals and Democrats and use his fortune for aiding such worthy causes like Habitat for Humanity, Doctors Without Borders, and the World Wildlife Fund? Did someone engineer a corporate takeover of Dow Jones and sacked the Wall Street Journal's editorial staff? Did the heads of Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council decide to reassess their earlier pronouncements? Did preacher Fallwell have a vision and entered a Christian religious order devoted to good works and silent contemplation?

For that matter, did that wild boar really nail Saddam Hussein?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:38 PM
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17. Hear hear
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 07:38 PM by FreedomAngel82
:cry: If only! Sometimes I have to pinch myself to make sure that I'm really in reality.
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