I met an 81 yr old WWII vet today.

[Sapphire Blue]

Upon reading my bumper stickers, one of which is this one



he approached me & said, "The goddam son of a bitch isn't my president either. I'm a WWII vet, 81 years old. I fought the goddam nazis. I didn't fight that war for my country to have a goddam nazi president."

[medeak]

1. 90 yr old Dad feels the same way n/t

[MarianJack]

2. My 81 YO WWII Vet Father,...

...a devoted life long Democrat who always regretted not making the military his career, was passionately opposed to Vietnam from the first day.

We no longer associate, but I can't fathom him feeling any different.

[bmbmd]

39. My dear departed daddy

a double silver star winner-opposed the action in Viet Nam. When my older brother asked him what he would think if he went to Canada, Dad said "I thought I fought a war so my kids wouldn't have to."

[Sapphire Blue]

40. "I thought I fought a war so my kids wouldn't have to." Strong words!

May your dear departed daddy RIP.

[MarianJack]

47. WOW, bmbmd!

Those were my father's words EXACTLY!

The corporate media VASTLY overplays the supposed knee jerk pro-war stance of those who've served.

My father was sorry that he didn't make the military his career, but a life long Democrat who passionately opposed the abuse of the military in situations like Vietnam or "**'s Big Adventure"!

[VPStoltz]

3. Too bad we can't a couple of these wise men into one of the Chimp's

closed "town meetings." Wouldn't it be wonderful to see
My Pet Goat" stare into the headlights after having been spoken to by someone with this experience?

[Sapphire Blue]

4. Yes, it would! Can you imagine?!?!

He'd have a pretty hard time explaining having the SS haul off WWII vets for speaking out, wouldn't he?

[rwenos]

5. My 85-Year Old Dad, Retired Navy Lt.(jg) . . .

Can't utter Bush's name without saying "that bastard!" first.

My parents, Nixon-haters from the days of the 1948 Nixon "pink lady" propaganda campaign against Helen Douglass, have seen Joe McCarthy come and go; Dollars for Democrats (1958); Jack Kennedy's election in 1960; the Great Society; the Civil Rights Act of 1964; the Chicago Convention; "that bastard" Nixon's inauguration; Viet Nam; Reagan; Big Bill Clinton (whose face my mother wanted sorely to slap), and all in all have seen 70 years of Democratic politics.

And my Dad, 85 years old, posted to a floating drydock in Pearl Harbor about six months after the attack, in 1942 -- can't speak this president's name without saying "that bastard" first.

Pathetic. Pathetic.

[Sapphire Blue]

6. Seems to be somewhat common to hear that type of terminology...

... from many in that age group in reference to bush... at least that's been my experience.

[Skittles]

23. tell your dad I love him

indeed I DO :thumbsup:

[The Traveler]

7. Those would have been Dad's words

a man who fought WWII and voted for Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, McGovern and Carter. Ike wasn't the only Republican he trusted, but was one of the few. I have recently re-read Ike's farewell address. I can only imagine what Ike would be saying now, if only he could speak.

For my part, I spent 10 years of my life fighting Soviet Communism. Maybe that is why I think Bush resembles Lenin more than Hitler ... but indeed the difference between them is in one resepct small. Both were practicioners of the Big Lie theory ... and Bush and Rove have clearly followed their advice.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. I think Ike knew

It's just way too creepy to not think other wise. Plus he did know Prescott.

[proud patriot]

8. Right On

:D

[TahitiNut]

9. My 86-year-old WW2 veteran uncle feels exactly the same way.

... and so do I.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Wow

He called Bush a Nazi like I do. :D Nice!!

[seabeyond]

11. wow.............. did you just give him a hug

i would have been totally overwhelmed and in love and given him a huge hug

[Sapphire Blue]

12. We went for coffee! My treat.

[seabeyond]

13. aaaaahhhh, that is too lovely. thank you for sharing

and thank you for buying him a cup of coffee

[Sapphire Blue]

16. It was my pleasure. We had a good conversation.

He was exceptionally politically well-informed... talked about quite a bit... Brewster Jennings, the Wilsons, the DSM, PNAC!!! (he brought it up), and the "namby pamby son of a bitch play soldier's" AWOL time, among other things.

[Blue Belle]

15. That's fabulous...

I would have done the same thing. That's great.

[Autonomy]

17. I was just about to laugh at the hilarity of that image...

when I realized that a lot of these WWII vets who risked their lives to bring down fascism will die of old age under a semi-fascist regime in their very own country. It's a classic soldier's story. Surviving war only to be betrayed by leaders at home. I feel even worse for them than for the children whose futures this regime is selling out at this moment. The levels of heartbreak caused by this administration are deeper than the levels of Hell in Dante's 'Inferno'.

[Sapphire Blue]

18. I know the image seems hilarious, but he was seriously pissed.

Especially pissed about "that namby pamby son of a bitch play soldier" going AWOL when he was supposed to be in the NG, and now playing dressup while he sends our boys & girls off to get killed halfway around the world. For what? His goddam lies. That's when he brought up the PNAC & their goals. And got even more pissed.

If this country has a revolution, I want people like him to head it up!!!

[ConsAreLiars]

19. 100 year old listener to AAR and Mike Webb says the same thing

in milder words. She was a call-in guest on the Mike Webb show today (monday) for most of the second hour. (Archives at whiterosesociety.org)

[Sapphire Blue]

20. I'll have to listen to that tomorrow!

[ConsAreLiars]

21. There was a short newspaper article on her,

but it only hints at her very cogent political views: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/249867_grace26.html

[Sapphire Blue]

22. I read that story... I didn't know that she was the caller! Quite a woman!

[GrpCaptMandrake]

24. Coulda been my Dad

but I doubt you were in rural West Virginia, Sapphire.

Just the same, Dad can barely abide to see Chimpy McDeath's face on the TV screen.

One day he said "He's almost enough to make me wish me and my brothers hadn't gone. This wasn't worth dying for."

[nutsnberries]

35. mine too - it all makes him mad and sad. -eom

[Abelman]

25. Ha!

I would have PAID to talk to this man.

Grizzled old men are the coolest people in the world, second only to grizzled old women.

[roguevalley]

26. my dad, 78, cancer survivor twice, navy vet of wwII feels the same

way. good old best generation. love them dearly. Hug them. they die at a rate of 3000 a week or so.

[MarianJack]

48. Sadly, WWII Vets are dying so fast...

...that it's difficult to get Honor Guards to all of the funerals to do the salutes.

Honor must be paid and attention must be given to those to whom we owe so much!

[The Witch]

27. listen to the wisdom of the elders!

and may that man be blessed for his service!

[leesa]

28. My 90 year old Dad recognized him as a Nazi very quickly as well.

They fought against it, they know.

[Sapphire Blue]

37. Yes... they know.

[jmm]

29. Soon after the 2000 elections my grandfather said

he hadn't felt that worried for our nation since Nixon. By the 2004 elections he said the Democrats could run Osama and he'd still vote for them because even he couldn't set this nation back further than Bush. WWII ended when he was in basic training so he served in the occupational forces in Japan. All of his older brothers served and they pretty much feel the same way.

[Sapphire Blue]

36. I hope that the overwhelming majority of Amvericans agree w/him in 2006...

... and 2008. Such a massive, overwhelming majority that all of the Diebold machines explode, never to be heard from again.

We are going to need Democratic leadership for the rest of this century to have any chance of recovering from the damage of the past 5 years.

No more neo-confederates!

Hugs to your grandfather!

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. Goddam, he's right!

[StellaBlue]

31. Awesome.

I wish my 80-year-old grandpa WWII vet saw things that way. He's more the 'Support the Troops' and 'Jesus Loves You' and 'NRA' bumper sticker type. Very, very sweet man... and one of the few genuine Christians I have ever met... but just too old and too naive to watch anything but Faux... or think about things for himself. It's sad. He thinks he's doing what's right.

[applegrove]

32. For sure the neocons had to wait until that generation got seemingly

to old to fight back before they could take over the world and remake it in their image.

[mmonk]

33. My dad was a WW II vet, now deceased.

He would be very angry at what our country has become (he fought the Nazis as well). In a way, I'm glad he never got to see this. It would have broken him.

[mtnester]

34. My Grandpa, 84 years young, WWII CB, fought in Pacific Theater

and did not vote for the turd either. Hates him.

He is just now starting to tell stories from WWII, for years he would not speak of it. He helped build runways in the islands. He tried a few bombing missions, but standing on that thin rail when the load bay opens was NOT his cup of tea apparently!

He still will not talk about the really bad stuff, mostly just what they did, and some of the hijinks his buddies and he had. The bearable stuff.

The worst he ever did say, in the quietest voice, was just how bad the Japanese soldiers were...he said this just this past summer...you did NOT want to be caught by them, ever...many guys committed suicide rather than be taken if it was imminent, it was so bad.

Remind anyone of anything?

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

38. My dad is a WW II vet too,

and a Republican, but he told me that he felt from the start that the Iraq war was wrong and a huge mistake. He was not for the Vietnam war either, he told my older brothers that he would not let them go and get killed for a wrong war.

He's a smart old guy and a very well-read person. There were always books around our house about history and especially WW II history. He believes in what they did after WW II with the Marshall Plan, the UN and the Nuremberg trials and the other international policies like that. He is a Republican because he believes in small government.

Those Bush people are radicals and it seems like a lot of these older guys see right them.

[AuntiBush]

41. Every Elderly Person I've Met in Recent Times Says the Samething, too.

It's like they want to talk about it, ranting & raving. They detest bush&co. No matter if they're male or female.

Even middle-aged guys, from sales to redneck types.

Some with old * bumper-stickers on their trucks.

No one likes these jerks. No one. Who does the neo-con press think they're kidding. Certainly not this American.

[Sapphire Blue]

42. I've noticed this among young people (hs students), too.

And many of them will be voting in the next presidential election!

[AuntiBush]

43. All Walks of Life. Trust me.

Amazing. All types. They gravitate toward me everywhere I go. They speak to me about Bush & CO and the disgusting state our country is in, because of "them." Never, ever do I bring anything of this up.

I could be shopping, gassing-up, whatever.

Seems an awfully lot of people are extremely fed-up and need venting. Compared to the venting out here, you should here these people.

It's comforting to know I'm not alone w/my viewpoints, yet so deeply troubling.

Miss my country so badly.

[MarianJack]

50. My Mother used to LOVE pResident Moron,...

...but was strangely silent when I referred to him as the "Idiot In Chief" when we were down for Thanksgiving.

Even she may be starting to see through the asshole!

[walldude]

44. The WWII Vets in my family were all Dems...

Too bad they don't talk anymore:

[MarianJack]

51. Hi, walldude!

What a touching photo in your sig line.

May I join you in honoring their memory?

I'll say again, the corporate media vastly overrates the republicanism of those who have served in the military. Ever wonder how Patton would have felt about **?

[Itchinjim]

45. My late father was a Korean war vet.

His oldest brother fought in Germany in WWII and his youngest brother left the service in 1963 (He was in Berlin when the wall went up). Their father, my grandfather, was a WWI doughboy who fought in the trenches of France. Together they served from 1917 to the beginning of the Viet Nam war. Each and everyone of them was a proud and active Democrat. With the exception of Eisenhower, I don't think I ever heard a positive word about any Republican from them in my life.

On edit; God how they all hated Nixon!

[kineneb]

46. My "uncle" was a Pearl Harbor survivor

and before he died in Aug. 2004, he used to call me up and fulminate over how corrupt and fascistic the bunch in Wash.DC were. He was really angry about what they were doing.

(I was never sure of the formal relationship, I called him Uncle, but he was my grandfather's nephew. Cool dude.)

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. My WWII vet dad felt the same way. He HATED Bush

with a passion. May He Rest In Peace and know we're still fighting the GOOD FIGHT for him and his WWII Comrades. :hug:

We'll save what they fought for.