L.Ron nutjobs secret underground New Mexico bunker

[QuettaKid]

A resting place for the collected writings of the 20th centuries greatest flim-flam man....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/26/AR2005112601065.html

[Tace]

1. It's Amazing How Short-Sighted Are People Like Hubbard

Few people know that Hubbard was a Satanist, and his organization is Satanic, quite literally.

Do a little Googling on Hubbard Satanist. You'll learn about all the crazy stuff he was into in the early part of the last century. By the way, he was rejected by the Satanists for being nuts.

I don't have issue with Satanists in general. Their motto: "Do what you will." I'll take an honest Satanist over a corrupt Christian any day of the week.

[Shadder]

3. And far fewer people know the true story

That the entire thing came about as a result of a bar bet between several famous science fiction writers.

[formercia]

7. Just like the Dead Sea scrolls

what survives becomes a benchmark for History.

[insane_cratic_gal]

12. the 100 dollar bet?

I read here that was a rumor not a factual bar bet at all?

But it sure does sound like the truth, at least more truthful then aliens in volcanoes and such.

[Richard Steele]

6. Yeah, some of the stuff Ron Jr. has said about his dad is amazing.

Real "WTF !?!?" kind of stuff.

Scientology is much worse than just a moneymaking scam.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

14. random Scientology teaching #28 - Jesus was a paedophile

"For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting."

OT VIII "Student Briefing" from the Fishman affadavit:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/fishman/ot8b.html

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

13. If you're referring to Jack Parsons, I'm sorry but I have to correct you

"Hubbard broke up black magic in America . . . because he was well known as a writer and philosopher and had friends among the physicists, he was sent in to handle the situation (of black magic being practised in a house in Pasadena occupied by nuclear physicists). He went to live at the house and investigated the black magic rites and the general situation and found them very bad . . . Hubbard's mission was successful far beyond anyone's expectations. The house was torn down. Hubbard rescued a girl they were using. The black magic group was dispersed and never recovered."
- (Statement by the Church of Scientology, December 1969)


(seriously though, Russell Miller's chapter on this in "Bare Faced Messiah" is very good:
http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfm07.htm ) It was written before the "Fishman Affadavit" gave us details of OT VIII

[jim3775]

16. The source material for Scientology is so stupid too

It is so badly written. I have read that Hubbard was taking barbiturates and drinking heavily when he wrote most of this.

(1) capture (being shot),
(2) freezing,
(3) transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point),
(4) being placed near a volcano,
(5) beginning implant up to "the pilot",
(6) various picture sequences,
(7) the 7s and C.C. and OT II materials,
(8) 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of materials and three explanations for the bombing,
(9) transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into clusters.

The pictures contain God, the Devil, angels, space opera, theaters, helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, trains and various scenes very like modern England. You name it, it's in this implant we call in its entirely "R6".

When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development.

http://www.spaink.net/fishman/ot3.html

[tanyev]

2. Oh, dear God.

Thousands of years from now someone will find the Mission Earth novels and believe that is a reflection of our society.

[QuettaKid]

4. a bar bet?

I had never heard that...true story?

[immoderate]

10. I've heard it also.

Hubbard bet some other writers that he could invent a religion that would attract followers. It's as good an explanation as any for Scientology. Maybe the only one that makes sense.

Maybe it's not the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but...:shrug:

--IMM

[SteppingRazor]

11. Not true.

The bar bet story is a hoax... though, given the nature of scientology, an easily believed one

[LisaLynne]

5. Oh, that's just great.

How embarassing for all of us! :blush:

[yellowcanine]

8. Aren't John Revolting and Tom Cruise Scientologists?

[yellowcanine]

9. Ok I found the list of Scientologist Hollywood types here.

http://www.bible.ca/scientology-poor-famous-members.htm

"Nearly 40 years later, Scientology has arrived in Hollywood in a big way. The list of celebrity Scientologists now includes Cruise, Kidman, Priscilla Presley, Lisa Marie Presley, Anne Archer, Juliette Lewis, Kelly Preston, John Travolta, Mimi Rogers, Karen Black, and Kirstie Alley."

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

15. If you missed it, the South Park Scientology episode

http://www.xenutv.com/

(If you just want to know the OT III lesson, which reveals the true story of Xenu, here's another (350k) cartoon:
http://whyaretheydead.net/Sten/galacticfederation.homeip.net/Xenu.rm )