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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:00 PM Original message |
Yes, Americans WOULD Take These Jobs: thoughts on immigration |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Kicked and Recommended. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. you got it- |
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LSparkle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. GREAT post! |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Thanks. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. It's a "Black Market" in labor. |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. kicked |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. No, they're not to blame..... |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I agree |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Thank you! |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. yeah, same here basically... |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
64. As I've always said, corporations employ foreign workers not |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
7. When labor is (illegally and immorally) treated as a commodity ... |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. "The labor of a human being is not a commodity or an article of commerce." |
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NorCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 09:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Your argument can be used for healthcare as well |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Any profit gleaned from the very threat to a human's survival is illicit. |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #24 |
60. And construction crews, which used to be a really good job. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well said. |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. There's another thing: paying off those loans is gonna suck, big time.... |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Yup. We got the bulk of the loans |
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. "if it actually paid the bills" |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. If we'd do two things, employment would surge immediately: |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Add to that a Federal Living Wage requirement and I'll agree. |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Yes, and it would kill off most of the racist sentiment currently |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Preach on! |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. While there're certainly 'racists' opposed to immigration (of any kind) .. |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. The GM layoffs are proof of that. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
37. Or as the Italians put it-- |
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demgurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
15. I feel illegals are, now, what blacks were at one point. |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. It's McKinleyism all over again. |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 02:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
36. In addition to your excellent points, I would like to add: |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
62. Our government is much the same as the Mexican government. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
54. To be fair, there are a few other "next blacks" candidates out there too |
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wovenpaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
22. Well said-nominated! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
25. One of my great uncles was a school janitor |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
28. Excellent post! |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. This is an EXCELLENT post, RKZ!! |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-29-05 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
30. the era of a one paycheck household |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
31. fantastic post...saved, and nominated...:) |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
33. Always say "Why don't you finish the sentence?" |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Excellent re-framing, Fred. And welcome to DU! nm |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
34. Never did |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
35. Glad to see this thread. |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
38. great post! |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
39. This is the kind of post I wish I could recommend more than once |
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nightperson (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
40. Thank you. |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
41. Agreed. I'd rather mow lawns than do what I do... |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
42. Great rant! Kicked and recomended.. |
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KayLaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
43. Same old, same old. |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
44. Frickin' NPR was on today with the lie |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 01:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. I know, I heard them use it yesterday. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
45. Too, too true. |
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Loonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
46. The problem is illegal aliens, not immigrants per se |
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progmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
47. great post, RKZ |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
48. It's another big lie. Immigrants where I live work in construction |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Sending a lot of money back is an important issue |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. And don't forget the currency asymmetry |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I like Thom Hartman's reply to those who want to build a wall |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
53. Immigration and Healthcare -- framing jujjitsu |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
56. Sure, we're being victimized, but fighting back requires empowering rhetor |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Interesting ideas.....you've been reading Lakoff, haven't you? |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-30-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yep, read Moral Politics couple years ago. Important ideas. |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
59. We need to go from this Supply-Side lie to a Demand-Side, people-based |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Thanks, butt-puncher! |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Indeed it is my friend - like Yip Harburg before me |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
65. Excellent post!! |
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Roxy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
66. I have been saying that here for some time...and always get flamed!! |
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