So who sold out...Jon Stewart or The White Stripes?

[Atman]

Mass media exposure will be the creative death-nell for the Whites. Teevee ads promoting their new album, just like the newest Litewate Fluffman CD now available at Tar-zjay. An appearance on TDS? I can't tell who looked more out of place, Jon or the Whites. Which leads me to...wtf is Jon doing having a band on, after a re-run sketch? Oh, yeah...late in the season. The writers must have been at the annual Christmas Party.

[DesEtoiles]

1. My 3 yr old just asked: "Is that a man or a lady?"

[Atman]

3. My 43 year old asked...

what is your three-year-old doing still up at this hour?

[seabeyond]

10. you are funny n/t

[DesEtoiles]

30. west coasters...she's a night owl also

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I am an old fogey, and I've never heard of the White Stripes.

But as I listen to them now, I must say that they deeply suck.

[LincolnMcGrath]

4. I know a Coal Miner's daughter who disagrees with you.

:)

[classof56]

25. I bought Loretta and Jack's CD "Van Lear Rose"

First LL album I ever bought, but their video "Portland, Oregon" just blew this old gal away, so I got the album. Might be I especially like the song 'cause I live in Oregon, but the other cuts make for some pretty good company on my occasional road trip. As always, I'll try to stay awake to watch Jon's show, but after reading this thread, not quite as interested in seeing White Stripes perform as I was about 10 minutes ago!

[BlueJazz]

7. They do suck..They play and sound very unusual.. ...

..Like a blown transistor Radio.
His chords are cornball and her playing is Grade School.

They're the kind of group that people who don't know shit about Music think are "Cool" when in truth they are like the GOP.. Phony.

[MuseRider]

I was going to say

that I have heard 3 year olds that can play like that. Did you notice that his piano solo(?) on the second song was the exact same solo (?) that he played on the guitar on the first song? 5 or 6 notes randomly played within the complex and compelling I, IV, V, I sequence.

[Atman]

13. Wasn't the first song they played actually by the Black Crowes?

Revelie, I think it was. I'm not a Black Crowes fan, either, but man...I've heard that riff before! I have two or three WS tunes on my iPod, from a few years ago, downloaded from epitonic.com, back when they were an unknown act. MUCH better then. I think the studio heads and marketing people got to them.

[MuseRider]

19. I'm sorry but that was not a riff

it was a couple of badly placed random notes. Riffs at least make a little sense.

I heard them once before several years ago and laughed my ass off. I was hoping that a few years of practice might have helped but not everyone can do it and apparently they can't.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

40. i don't think Jack White needs guitar lessons.

you're free to hate them, but the dude can wail on a guitar.

[...of J.Temperance]

43. Oh yes, even the blues musicians like him, he's good with the slide

I actually think Jack White's pretty cool as a person. It's a shame that The White Stripes suck so much now, it is.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

67. i don't mind their experimental stuff so much.

they probably got tired of the straightforwardish earlier stuff. i guess I just have a completely different suckiness threshold.

[MuseRider]

50. I don't hate them

I hate their "so called" music. There is a difference.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

64. thank you for explaining that difference to me.

i had no idea.

[Chicago Democrat]

96. Another jazz fan evaluating a rock band...

Please!

I saw them live and it was electrifying. Every single person in the entire stadium was completely entrance, seduced and conquered by an amazing virtuoso. Then we all had sex.

White Stripes single handedly saved American Music, all other opinions are sour grapes.

[MuseRider]

98. You must be responding to someone else

I am not a jazz fan. I tolerate it, some of it I like but I am not a fan of jazz. I am a classical musician who is trained and working and this may be electrifying to some but to a lot of us who live this music life it was plain simple and boring crap. Music is highly subjective in what you like or don't like but objectively it was very simple in it's structure and music that any middle schooler could accomplish.

Please yourself!

[Al Dente]

99. Did either of them study music in school or anything? Just curious. n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

100. doubtful

does any popular musician?


Trent Reznor did. Rock n Roll is based in something very base, like sex. Like birds, do birds need music lessons? no They learn to make music by listening to other birds.



Instructions not too needed and in fact I believe music school will probably ruin any capacity for creativity or joy in music. Go to music school and teach music in HS or work in some orchestra paid by old fuddy duddies.

[Al Dente]

101. Music school is something that did not used to exist

people learned by apprenticship. You are right about that, but it does not ruin the capacity for creativity, it in fact does exactly the opposite. It gives you the tools you need to allow your creativity to flourish. But that's because they were taught it through apprenticeship. You cannot no matter who you are, play music without any grasp of theory, harmony, or melody. Jack White nor Meg has displayed that they have any clue about this in any of their music. You can argue that its based on a feeling, but there is no feeling. No intensity. Always know that there is a vast difference between intensity, and playing loud. It is not the same thing.

[Chicago Democrat]

107. I doubt that the thousands of people who were at his concert would

agree with you. It was like a spell. No it was like one of Africa chanting things that puts everyone into the same state of mind. I brought people who were non-rock people and they were in extacy. So whatever he's doing wrong, I like it. It may be wrong or whatever, but I know what I like, and I determine what is great to me, not some objective standard.

Let me give you an example of how music 'training' ruins a person vis a vis popular music. Vibratto.(sp) that insane sound opera singers make. Is that supposed to be pleasant? It always sounded like a elephant in heat or something non-human.

Singers educated in Opera have a real hard time singing "normally". Like rock people do. They are effectively ruined by their training for the music that 90% of the world actually listens to.

[Al Dente]

109. It makes me happy to hear that you are getting so much joy out of his

music. That is what its all about, thats not whats bothering me here. And this has nothing to do with Rock. Styles of music don't exist, its all human classification, there is nothing there to determine what style a piece of music is. It's all 12 notes. Now that that's out of the way, vibrato is not just an opera technique, everyone who plays music uses vibrato. Jack White uses it when he plays guitar, when he wiggles his hand around on one note, that's vibrato. You don't have to like it, the fact is, it is present in every "style" of music, and you obviously don't really understand what it is. You may as well have just said, I don't like opera. That's fine. And what is singing normally? Music is art, opera is a form of that art. Its also alot older than you or me or any of the music Jack White plays. Haven't you ever heard of the phrase respect your elders? That goes for everything, art, music, people, anything.

[Chicago Democrat]

120. Ok grandpa,

You're still a snob and out of touch.

[MuseRider]

126. Grandpa? He is not quite 20.

HaHa.

[Chicago Democrat]

136. Then he should get out more!

exactly! they were all like that. A million years older than they should be.

[MuseRider]

140. Oh but if you could hear him play

you would be transported.

Perhaps not.

[MuseRider]

110. A comment about Opera

this is what they have to do to do their craft. I doubt they really care if they ever sing popular music. Some do sing it and it is odd sounding but their craft is what means something to them so everything else does not matter. They are not ruined, they are perfect for what they have chosen to do. I happen to love opera, it took me many years of studying it to love it. The biggest crowds I have ever been in were at the Opera and they sold out 3 a day for weeks so there are more than 10% who enjoy it. It is like I said above and you stated here, objective. There is a place for all of it and that does not make any of it bad but some is not what a studied musician would consider truly music because it has no understanding of what music is made of. Again, that does not mean people are not fans. Hell Kenny G holds people in a spell just like the Stripes, or he once did. Total crappola, there is no there there for anyone who knows anything about music.

Do you do music or have you? Your understanding of it makes me think not. That is OK but you can't really talk about people being ruined by it without understanding it.

[MuseRider]

102. Ahhahahaha

Enlightened much?

[Chicago Democrat]

103. I'm sorry, really I am...Major love to all liberals and heck if we

can't appreciate different things musically, we are doomed.


I'm sorry I offended. Living near a Music School has made me totally jaded.

[MuseRider]

104. Peace.

I do this and get paid for it and it did offend but eh? Big deal.

Why did living near a music school jade you? I loved it, it was and is my life.

[Chicago Democrat]

118. Endless listening to them play...

stuff i hate. Being freinds and going with them to operas, and jazz shows etc and just being totally bored and wanting to leave. Eventually I realised it was really hard to be freinds with them because they were always TRASHING my music and when I expressed my opinion about their boring old music, they would give me some line like. "You don't know shit about music"


Seeing the total competition and elitism and snobbery in how music students view popular music. For me, it seems they were missing out on the good stuff and wasting energy on old crappo. Plus, its the opposite of sexy as far as I see. Who wants to play un-sexy, old music listened to by old rich people?

[MuseRider]

123. OK one more before I sleep.

Could it possibly be that by being educated in it they actually understand music? There is way more to it that you can even comprehend it seems. I am not calling you stupid nor am I being an elitist, it is a fact. People spend their entire lives learning it, it is vast. I love all kinds of music from the stupid (Carpenters, yes I said it) to the sublime Ariadne auf Naxos because I UNDERSTAND it. You speak of something you do not understand. You enjoy it at the level of most people and that is fine but it does not make you expert enough to trash what other people love and spend their lives working at.

Those friends dropped you didn't they? It is tough to work as hard as they did to have it trashed constantly by someone who has not a clue. Your music can be understood by the masses, nothing wrong with that, but there is a vast world of all different kinds of music and all different kinds of people who love it and work at it constantly. You do not seem to understand that it is much much more than you are aware of. Give it a rest and please stop insulting people when you do not understand what you are talking about.

Remember peace? Let's make it. Good night.

[Chicago Democrat]

135. "those freinds dropped me" - that's just hurtful...

now i'm crying.


Well letsee.. Opera Asshole#1 I lived with for 8 fucking years. You know what opera does to people? It turns them into jerks. Total jerks. I don't wanna go to his stupid operas! Why do have to go to your stupid opera. I hate opera. No i have to fuking go even tho i hate it. Plus they mostly have a ego the size of Texas. Plus their always SINGING! Warming up LOUDLY! And I have to live with him and his stupid Grand Piano my living room! Plus he wont let me play my music and I can't even hear it for all the Opera singing! Why is my liking your 'carreer' have anything to do with being freinds. So anyway this goes on and on and me and another 'opera victim' bug out at the intermission and he has a cow and I'm like fuck off. So then I kick him out and his fucking grand piano caused 1000 dollars damages to the floor and he wont pay and he's an asshole. Plus he has to suck up to alll these opera benefactors. I'm like opera is like being a prostitute for rich opera fans, invariable 100 years old tryingto keep some antique atomiton going for increasingly ossified crowds.

That's Opera Man Number 1

Then there's Piano Freaky dude #1: Wher to begin. Well basically he stalked me and is really creepy but actually much nicer than the Opera people. OMG the Opera people are so crazy. anyway the opera people use the Piano Freaky dude all the time so he's over allthe time. Playing the grand piano driving me insane. We go out to dinner and he talks about music stuff that allthe time. A little interest in Art, maybe? Other music? Impossible. How about just go out to a movie? They separate themselves in a rare world that only they see.

I could go on and on...

Opera people and Classical music people and jazz people are so so insular and I've had more than my share. So I'm jaded. And opinionated.

[MuseRider]

138. And THEY are the jerks?

OK, I get it.

Perhaps it is because some of us think it should not be easy junk and it should mean something to us and to others who have the intellectual capacity to understand it or at least attempt to understand it instead of insisting that our work is interfering with their lives.

Does it make any sense to you that we play for rich people because they pay for it? Do you know how poor most of us are doing this? Then does it make sense to you that there must be more to it than just doing the job to make the money?

It is also obvious that you do not understand that this is something you have to keep at every day. You don't learn one skill, go to work and repeat it over and over. Every day and during a string of rehearsal time it needs doing most of the time of most of your days or you will not be able to accomplish the performance even if you have been doing it for 50 years.

Read the above thread in the morning and tell me if you don't think that there were more than 2 assholes in the post.

BTW, do you think many of the bands you enjoy are doing it without pay?

[Chicago Democrat]

141. I just wanted a normal relationship, They were the ones always

insisting I be a fan. I thought just being gay was enough. Or the fact that I let you live with me. No they get all offended if I'm not a fan. Insecure people in a horrible competition for low paid impossibly difficult jobs turn are not good freindship or relationship material. That was how it was.

I assume its the same now. I'm trying to remember the name of the music school now. Its in Chicago near 35th and Michigan.Its well known. something academy of music. I was freinds with alot of students there. Mostly they teach, but quite a few make it to orchestras, operas etc.

Opera asshole number 1 was an asshole. A raving egomaniacal asshole with huge overestimation of himself as a 'star' and someone to be worshipped and basically would brook no relationship that isn't sychophantic. Meanwhile having to totally stroke and cojol the 'money people' who seem as interested in a pretty face as a good voice. A nest of vipers basically. Why? Nature of Opera,IMO. They live their life like an opera and the rest of us aren't interested.

[MuseRider]

145. We are not all nice.

I guess, lol. I have known some major assholes in music but no more than in the horse business or the farm business or anything else. It has to be this way for them though, they have to sing and sing all the time like I have to practice all the time, even something I have played before, it is just the way it is.

Opera people are different. My brother was one. He did not sing but conducted and accompanied and produced and directed. He was the nicest man I have ever known but totally consumed by it because he had to be to get the best performance possible. He was the one who taught me about it and I miss visiting him and going to as many as we can. I have played in Opera orchestras on a few occasions and it was by far the most consuming job I ever had. Know how much I got paid? About $20 a day for around 8 hours of work. Opera chorus people get nothing in most cases, or at least that is what it was several years ago, NOTHING for all that time and work. It is a killer so my best advice is don't date opera people, god knows I wouldn't but I love them.

Can we make a little peace here? I hate this contentious stuff but I get all fired up and on and on I go, I was going to sleep about an hour ago and here I am. Please don't hold us all to the standards set by your former friends. We do know what we are talking about but normally this is the last thing I would ever be talking about. I love that you love music. Hell, I paid $200 to go see the Stones for the 3rd time. Nothing better than feeling it bounce in your chest and jumping up and down and being all into it. Been to a lot of concerts like that and I love it. Fact is it is a different beast than other music in many ways, not lesser but different and much simpler. I just simply found White Stripes to be laughable partly because between the first time I heard them and now I see no progress in the music and I find it stilted. My opinion only.

Peace? Please, this old lady has to go to rehearsal tomorrow and I have to sleep lol.

BTW, I am with you on liberalism, treatment of animals and National health care...I think there might have been one more but I simply can't remember.

[Chicago Democrat]

142. I support many starving musicians...

and shop online preferably to get them the most money. Plus i tell everyone when I love one.


Here's one I love: Le Tigre

http://www.letigreworld.com/sweepstakes/index.html

[MuseRider]

148. OK I can go there sort of.

I liked it just fine. I probably would not buy a CD of theirs but they actually have a much better product, to my ear, than the White Stripes.

They are cute too, not that that matters but they are.

[Al Dente]

106. Living near one?

Try going to one before you speak so harshly of something so far away from your trade. I appreciate all styles of music no matter what the genre. I have heard things that you will never even know were possible to accomplish musically. Shit, I didn't even know they were possible until I heard it with my own two ears. But the only reason I have heard these things? Music school...Conservatory. Music is something that takes an entire lifetime to learn. My teacher has been playing and studying for over 40 years, and he tells me he learns something new every day. He also happens to be a legendary musician. Just a little comaprison for you to try out. Try screwing around with a bunch of rockets without going to "Rocket Science School" and see how long it takes you to blow up the world.

[Chicago Democrat]

108. but is it popular?

Warhol taught us that a tree falling in a forest makes no sound. Its about impact. Art is about stirring something in the other. I'm glad for your teacher learning something new every day, but if that is as far as it goes, it is of no use.

Music that is not popular is not good. Nero learned that with his life. Theory matters not a jot when people think it sucks.

[Al Dente]

111. Ignorance is bliss i suppose...

And by the way, that's the most ignorant thing I've ever read. That's why you were so blissful when listening to the performance.

[Chicago Democrat]

113. You would know, trashing the White Stripes

Music snobbery masked as intellectualism. Hate me, thanks.

Its important to know what you aren't.

[Chicago Democrat]

112. I did so 'go to one'

I told you I lived near that stupid music school with students for 4 fucking years! Endlessly having to listen to the crappo music they play. They don't even learn instruments that people want to hear. The Bassoon?! Ugh. Burn them for firewood. I don't wanna hear it. but I'm glad u have some music you like. The music school people ruined jazz and opera and most classical music for me. God, what a little clique they are. Like Showtune people, a whole wierd little world. Like Ballroom dancing. Like theologans discussing how many angels can fit on a pin.

For me is about Rockn Roll. Its about something that reflects the PRESENT DAY!The baser the better, these are base times. The louder the better. The MORE SCREAMING THE BETTER. The mark of a good concert is a riot or an orgy at the end. and a quivering feeling like you've been conquered.


But maybe my experience is not valid somehow? How can that be. How can millions be wrong and the thousand be right? I have no idea.

[Al Dente]

114. Ok, I've tried to do this one way, but you wont have it so...

You are full of shit.

[Chicago Democrat]

119. You're an out of touch music snob

so there

[Al Dente]

122. Haha

I have trouble understanding how I am the snob here. Trying to have a rational conversation where both sides are open minded has become impossible, and I have no use for being called a music snob. So I am going to bed because I have to get up and learn about fun stuff like how to superimpose different chord changes on top of standard II-V-I's in all 12 keys. I have to be able to understand form and harmony. Then go home and write a piece for my composition class. Then I have to go rehearse with once of the bands I'm in for a recording session tommorrow morning. Then go to another rehearsal with another band for another recording session. I have to spend a few hours with my teacher while she shows me music from all parts of the world from all "styles" and all eras. I have to disect and anazlyze and 4 page classical piece. And then after I do all that, I go to my freinds house for a few hours to use what I learned to unleash my creativity and express myself using more than 4 triadic chords. Oh, and a 4 hour show that night. Man, I am so out of touch...

[Chicago Democrat]

125. Man you are...

like an accountant. Money is fun but accounting is horrible.

I live for music. Right now is the best time for music ever. Whatever you do I do hope you are happy and enjoy it. Truly. But whatever the hell you just said, was like jibberish to me.

Ok so you get off on nuclear physics and I just wanna see a A-Bomb.

Ok so you are interested in decontructing gasoline molecules and I just wanna drive the car!


Can you possibly even see my point of view from your rarified stratisphere you inhabit? Can you possibly see how your view sucks all the joy in a simple tune?

[MuseRider]

130. And that was exactly the point

that he and I have been trying to make. It is jibberish to you. It all makes sense to me but not to you.

Nothing is wrong with you liking what and whoever you like, nothing. When someone actually has experience in the field you go off on them and get all huffy and insulting and then say it is jibberish to you and they are a snob. Now that is funny.

God, I have to get some sleep.

Edit to add There is great joy in understanding everything he was saying. I am certain accountants find their jobs quite fascinating as well. Should we ask them and then say they are sucking all the joy out of numbers?

[Chicago Democrat]

137. Actually I am an accountant and an historian and

Yes! Accounting sucks the joy out of everything. That's a fact.


When accounting is 'fun' you get Enron and World Comm.

[MuseRider]

139. LOL

Maybe you should try learning an instrument?:hide:

[Chicago Democrat]

143. I do! I sing along alot! All the time i sing.. I sing in the car!

I just wrote a song.. Here it is:



Everybody sing the "Hillary is an Asshole" Song! -comeon singalong!
(sing to "broken hearts are for assholes, by Frank Zappa)

Hillary! Do you know what you are? You're an ASSHOLE!


AN ASSHOLE!

Some of you might not agree
'Cause you probably likes a lot of misery
But think a while and you will see...
Hillary bitch is an asshole!
An sellout DLC Asshole?
Are you an asshole?
DLC bitch is an asshole
Are you an asshole too?
Whatcha gonna do, 'cause you're an asshole.. .

Maybe you think you're a liberal guy
Maybe you think you're too tough to cry
So listened to Hillary
Just to give her a try

And HILLARY
Without a doubt, the most undemocratic Democrat
Was her name...
One Two Three Four!
She was lying about Iraq to pander pycho neocons thru her
Pancake make-up
And yet he was a beautiful lady
Nearly drove you insane
Let's talk about Violent Video games: Booooo!
And so you kissed a little Chalabi
ExBaathist shiites, starring in the latest Shepperton Production:
Who had just blew up Spain
"Sir Achmed Pump-A-Loaf"
You sniffed the reeking buns of Lieberman
The story of a demented Defense co-boffer
And acted like it was cocaine
Rumsfeld pud annexed to a fine whole-wheat loaf
You were dazzled by the exciting neocon money
Then on Tuesday night,
Clintonism back in town
In a way you can't explain
Facing off in a no-holds-barred tag team grudge match With Casto. .
And so you worked the torture cell in Romania
Three-hundred-seventy-nine pounds of Venezuelan crude oil
Which gave your back an awful strain
US Torture is HELL
But you came back on Sunday for the Talking Head shows
Next Thursday, raping little boys for fun
But you forgot what I was sayin'
'Cause you're an asshole,
You're an asshole
That's right
You're an ass

[MuseRider]

146. COMMON GROUND!!!

HooRaaay!

I love Zappa, sat about 6 feet from the stage in 1972 or 73. The warm up band was Steely Dan. Great concert.

I am not crazy about Hillary.

[Chicago Democrat]

147. Ok you are a god or goddess!

zappa,wow...


you've seen this gem of course then...

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2658805?htv=12

zappa on crossfire.

why did he die so young?! life is unfair.

[MuseRider]

149. You gotta love the blue socks!

He was a genius and a really decent man. Funny, when I clicked on it I expected the long haired Zappa. Damn, he was pretty cute and I had forgotten him like that. Thanks for that.

Finally we have common ground and I feel better and I AM going to sleep now with Peaches and Regalia in my head. :crazy:

Good night!

[Al Dente]

132. I see your viewpoint

and it is a very simple one. You are not a musician, correct? You just listen, so for what you need music for, you get what you want. For those of us who want to play it, we have to understand it. We have to break it apart and work our asses off our whole lives to be able to do it. That is the one side of it, then the side you are choosing, the joy, comes in. Like I said, after the day is done, I have gigs, I work, playing music for a living, shit, I go to jam sessions every saturday night from midnight to 7 or 8 in the morning just to play, for me. And thats sometimes after a 4 hour hit at a club somewhere playing for laymen like yourself. I always come home feeling gratified, like I am doing what I love. But I couldn't do it with any conscience at all if I was bullshitting it like Jack White and many others. My view sucks NONE of the joy out of it, you have no idea how vast the joy I get from music is. From playing, and composing it. Do not diminish what you do not understand. If you don't want to learn about it, thats fine, the music I study for and learn about is so I can play for people like you, and have you enjoy it without having any clue what I am doing. DON'T knock my shit again. Cool?

[MuseRider]

117. Now you are just tooling

people around or insulting them. Your experience can certainly be valid if a little immature perhaps but insulting people like you are is very immature. What is it? Tooling or insulting?

If you are really so bound to the Stripes that is fine but this has got to be one big fucking joke.

It seems there is no way to speak of deep things seriously here in this thread anyway. So I will take my old, fuddy duddy, musical self to bed.

Really, you made peace once what the hell is this all about?

[Chicago Democrat]

121. I made peace with the other person.

you music mavens started this thread and keep pushing it so I push back.

[MuseRider]

124. No, you actually made peace with me.

That is OK. Knowing something does not make one a snob, it makes them knowledgeable. I have always found that it is important to try to learn from people who know what they are talking about.

[Chicago Democrat]

128. Mostly yes, but music is all a matter of taste...

exactly like say, sexual preference or non-meat eating..

A topic to be avoided if harmony is desired.


Actually what i do is find someone who has similar tastes and then mine them for good music bands. The problem with indi-music (modern music) is that there are so many bands its very hard to weed out the bad ones.

So we can have a relationship based on something else, okay?

Other interests: Liberalism. Wine. Gourmet food. Ethical treatment of animals. National Health Care. Peace.

[MuseRider]

133. See that is where we have a problem

it is much more than taste when you live it and that is NOT a bad thing. If people had never done that music would all still be Gregorian chanting.

[BlueJazz]

20. LOL!..I caught part of that but i was in a daze wondering what is...

..the next "Big Group"...A Guy playing the Kazoo while his Dog Farts ? :)

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LincolnMcGrath]

35. "and weren't stuck between a bunch of cunts and assholes"

:shrug:

[Atman]

41. Look it up

:7

[LincolnMcGrath]

42. Is it in the Girls thread?

[...of J.Temperance]

44. Hey I've giving you one of THESE for that comment

:spank:

[Atman]

60. HARDER BABY, HARDER!

I love it when you spank me to the beat of Jimmy The Exploder!

[...of J.Temperance]

62. Jimmy The Exploder spank-a-long then!

:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:

[LandOLincoln]

77. I get it! What do I win? n/t

[...of J.Temperance]

26. Their first two LPs were good "The White Stripes" and "De Stijl"

I gave up on them after those two LPs. I think Jack White is okay as a person because he really likes Son House and Blind Willie Johnson etc.

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Are they performing on the show tonight?

Or is it just an interview?? :shrug:

[LincolnMcGrath]

36. Performing

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

61. Dude or dudette, I've jammed with folks from Earl Scruggs to

Lary Byrom (Steppenwolf) and these two people are so refreshing and full of raw talent that I will proudly call myself a fan.

[...of J.Temperance]

65. When John Peel first saw The White Stripes live he said that it was like

When he saw Jimi Hendrix for the first time in the late 1960s...he said that they were THAT exciting live.

Uncle John ADORED them, even had them do music sessions for him at his own house. And I always trusted John Peel, he always knew when a band was playing and releasing records because they LOVED doing it and they WEREN'T doing it for the money.

So I'll have to say that Jon Stewart has sold out, in response to the OP question.

[Gregorian]

71. I think neither sold out. By the way, I'm also an old fogey.

But I opened my mind. It sounds like some posters here are like white farm boys commenting on hearing their first blues musician in 1930.

I heard the White Stripes since the day their first album was released.

Lately I've been using them as an example of how short the disposal rate of musicians is now.

And I've also had arguments revolving around their validity. You either love them or hate them. What I mean is that with the voice of Roger Daltry, and the guitar ability of very few, and the writing capacity of even fewer, this group would have had a 15 year high. But instead the turnaround is 15 months. Although, I think their career is far from over.

I say they are vastly underrated.

Many people say they are a one trick pony. I disagree. My rockometer says otherwise. And my rockometer is dead accurate.

But who am I do defend? I'm only listening.

[...of J.Temperance]

78. Well yes I do agree

I have to admit that...I kind of lost The White Stripes after "De Stijl" because they stopped being as...raucous. Although I LOVE "Hotel Yorba" because it's just so crazy.

Their career is far from over, but I bet they go back to how they were before...actually I can see Jack White just ending up someplace in Mississippi just playing Delta Blues tunes...it's so OBVIOUS that he hates the thought of being famous per se.

I wonder what people thought the FIRST time they heard something like Mississippi John Hurt or Leadbelly...imagine living in...Utah, and hearing that type of stuff for the first time.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

75. John gives plenty of inteviews to plenty of writers and actors...

what's wrong with him doing the same thing for what he (or I, consider a musician that fuels the truth?).

[...of J.Temperance]

80. Well the question in the OP is "Who sold out...Jon Stewart or The White

Stripes", so if one takes that in its literal sense, then I'd say that Stewart sold out...because even though The White Stripes in my opinion aren't as good as they USED to be...they will never sell out, the non-sell out thing is part of the concept of the band as defined by Jack White.

[frylock]

72. you jammed with earl scruggs?!!

I'm a card-carrying backpacker, and I love Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs!! That must have been a blast!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

76. Yes. With his wife Louise standing right beside me as I pitched my songs.

She's the one who got me there.

[Chicago Democrat]

97. He really is amazing.. tonights performance was not the best i've

seen of them. The Berkely concert was truly the best I've seen in a decade.

[Swamp Rat]

84. LOL!

I couldn't hit the mute button fast enough! :D ... Long live Jelly Roll Morton!!!

[...of J.Temperance]

93. Jelly Roll Morton and Albert Ammons!

:)

[Chicago Democrat]

90. Stewart needs guests like this EVERY NIGHT!

His interviews SUCK! I always turn them off. No I don't wanna see another Hollywood shill selling a crappo movie. No I don't wanna see another BLASE reporter selling a book. Either have TOP RATED guests that are RELEVANT and HAPPENING or just have NO guest!


I LOVE THE NEW FORMAT! Throw out Hollywood! Nobody's going anyway!

GO WHITE STRIPES!

[Chicago Democrat]

94. "people who don't know shit about music"

That's pretty harsh but the same sentence comes out of everysingle music major/professional that i know. You can't even recognise good music your mind is totally closed by studying whatever dusty old crap 'serious' musicians study. Its like youve ruined your taste buds and you can't even recognise was music is anymore.

Having lived with many such people, I wanna say that as someone 'who doesn't know shit about music' the music -they- listen to sucks ass.


Like jazz. I hate Jazz. Its pretentious and awful. Basically jazz players are people who could make it in 'real music'. Its a has-been art form that peaked 50 years ago and its boring or cacaphonous. Appreciable only by those who have studied all the joy out of music.

The only thing that is worse than Jazz is Opera! What a pompous and stupid art form. What an incredible waste of money. Rich old pompous people living in a world that should have died 100 years ago. So much money is wasted, especially PUBLIC MONEY, on stupid crappy opera. People are dragged to these things and half the crowd doesn't want to be there, falling asleep and getting drunk during the 3 hours of boredom. Ala Spike Jones' 'Pagyacci'

'when we listen to palyacci. we get ichy and scratchy'
'7 hours later, were stillin the dern theatre, taking turns a nappin
waiting for somethign to happen'


White Stripes are simply the best Rock n Roll out there, sorry your opinion of them is ill informed.

[tamtam]

105. Umm... Ok

So people who have a different taste in music than you know nothing about music? Now that sounds GOP to me. Calling people out who happen to have a different opinion than you is a GOP tactic. BTW, I'm not a White Stripes fan. I just think music is art and just like any other art form taste is usually acquired. Someone could easily look at the type of bands you like and say the same about you. I know quite a few people who like the White Stripes and they know quite a bit about music. In the world of cookie cutter, alternative bands I think the White Stripes bring a unique sound to the table. Even though that sound is not for me I can understand why others are drawn to it. I'm not a country fan but since I have a deep love for music I can understand why others like country. That type of music is not for me; of course I'm not like everyone else and I don't expect everyone else to be like me when it comes to my taste in music. That hardly makes those who have a different taste of music ignorant about music.

[Chicago Democrat]

129. Are you Tam Trutwin?

stab in the dark

[Atman]

9. They're not bad with studio help

They make a lot of music for a two-piece "band." I don't dislike the Whites, I'm just wondering who the hell got the payola. Ads for The White Stripes new album are all over the teevee. Like Josh Brolin's, whoever the hell he is.

So...I don't think The White Stripes suck nearly as much as I think TDS sucks for becoming a corporate advertising vehicle. What's next...Katie Couric selling her new childrens book, "Color My Colon?"

[...of J.Temperance]

45. They don't actually have MUCH studio help

Jack White usually records him and Meg kinda just bashing away. Jack also only uses recording equipment that pre-dates the 1960s.

I think this is like a one-off thing they'll do...they're NOT really commercial at all...and they also turned down $5 million a few years ago from GAP who asked them to appear in an ad, and Jack said "No."

On Edit: Spelling error.

[Protagoras]

134. "TDS sucks for becoming a corporate advertising vehicle"

Hasn't the interview segment of TDS (what probably pays for it to be on the air) always been 90% this? Is there some functional or philosophical difference between interviewing every actor pimping their new movie (including utter crap like Garfield)...every author pushing a book etc? Because even 90% of the politicians and pundits that come on for interview are only doing it as part of the circuit for selling whatever it is they are selling.

A musicial act isn't any different. The one small difference was they played on the set...which I think is just the equivalent of TDS showing a clip from the latest jennifer garner movie (which they did).

Or have I missed some new and evil facet of what's going on?

[TomInTib]

14. You got that right ocelot. And they are packaged as "blues"

I don't know if ANYONE sucks as badly as these posers.

[MuseRider]

23. Gave me the blues.

:puke:

[...of J.Temperance]

32. Hey Mr. Tom

On their second LP they do a good version of "Death Letter" and on their first LP they do a good version of "St. James Infirmary Blues"

Oh on the second LP they also do "Your Southern Can Is Mine"

Of course, anything AFTER those two LPs is crap.

[TomInTib]

38. OK, I'll check out those cuts .

Only because you say so.

But everything I have heard from them hurt my ears and sensibility.

[...of J.Temperance]

51. Jack White's a HUGE blues fan

They have another couple of blues type tunes on their first LP "The White Stripes", well the songs have REALLY good bluesy guitar..."Suzy Lee", "When I Hear My Name" and "I Fought Piranhas", some FAB bottleneck stuff going on Mr. Tom. The first album Jack White dedicated to Son House :)

On the second LP "De Stijl" is a another really good bluesy tune "Little Bird". Jack White dedicated the second album to Blind Willie McTell and Gerrit Rietveld...the latter being a Dutch artist from the De Stijl art movement.

[TomInTib]

58. Well OK. What are you doing up so late/early?

[...of J.Temperance]

68. I'll go to bed

In about half an hour, like I usually do and get my four hours sleep and then get up and go and work for Dad.

[frylock]

49. deconstructed blues

[...of J.Temperance]

53. Yes that's EXACTLY it...it's deconstructed blues n/t

[SlavesandBulldozers]

63. posers?

you don't think Jack White can play the blues, so that means he can't play the blues?

[TahitiNut]

18. If they sucked ...

... they'd have something going for them. :puke: What a waste of electricity. :eyes:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

48. As a 50 year old, I have loved them ever since I heard them do

St. James Infirmary Blues...

I really like them.

[...of J.Temperance]

59. You're just darn hip AREN'T ya? "St. James Infirmary Blues" is a

FANTASTIC song and they do a REALLY good version of it. Actually I mentioned this song in my answer above to TominTib :)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

66. LOL.... Fuck that.... To paraphrase whatshisface: "If it sounds good,

it is good." ... Or something like that. Hell one too many glasses of wine. :toast:

[...of J.Temperance]

81. You hipster you!

:toast:

[TahitiNut]

79. Better than Janis?

I doubt it. (I'll take it by Janis, The Doors, or Satchmo depending on my mood.)

[rainy]

5. just posting so I can find out what everyone thinks in the morning

[MuseRider]

6. Mass media exposure will kill them because

they are the worst musicians I have ever had the displeasure of hearing. Good lord what a nothing experience that was.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. I agree they suck

And why were they on TDS? Is he going to have bands on now?

[...of J.Temperance]

39. You OBVIOUSLY haven't heard "Spread Your Legs And Release The Bats"

By Die Monitr Batts, I've got it on "7, they can't really play, but it's a really weird thing and I find it rather charming.

I like stuff sometimes where the band can't play...maybe that's just me, John Peel caused me to be like this :)

[MuseRider]

47. Now that is an honest answer

and I agree. I have not always had the best taste either but I guess being in the music business for over 30 years makes it very hard to hear simplistic crap and see people rave over bad voices and mediocre or worse playing. My tastes are varied and some of the things I love are not necessarily what I would call good but at least the people making it could be called musicians and not cause a snicker.

[...of J.Temperance]

74. Well you know

60% of my record collection a lot of people would term "noisy stuff...bordering on the unlistenable", stuff like Sonic Youth and Melt Banana and The Fall OF COURSE (because of my screen name)etc.

Then the other 40% of my record collection is divided between blues records, free jazz records and avant-garde classical music records.

So my tastes are varied, but I've always had this ability to hear a "tune" within something that on the surface ISN'T a tune. It's like Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music" which is just constant feedback the ENTIRE thing...and yet I can hear tunes contained in that feedback.

99.9% of the music I like would be termed "radio unfriendly", so it would.

You worked in the music business for over 30 years? How fab...you're a musician? Is it the trumpet you play?

[MuseRider]

83. Clarinet

in our symphony and free lance stuff when I can find it. I have taught as well but not for a long time. Both of my sons are jazz musicians, still in school but very talented and recording and their father plays a little jazz trumpet. I hate jazz unless it is live and then it has to be really good or I have no patience for it.

I have always had varied tastes from the strange to even a liking for old 50's pop stuff and I have no idea why that. :shrug: My most favorite right now is regional Mexican music, Latin music and my Ozomatli CDs.

I also like music that simply creates a mood or a feeling or colors without any discernible line to listen to.

Most music on the radio is not worth listening to and hasn't been for quite some time.

I am much older than you but that does not stop me from really liking some of the new music. The only group you mentioned that I have ever heard is Sonic Youth, the others I have no idea about.

My oldest just turned me onto Garage a Trois last week. I had heard the members separately but never the group together. Their latest, Etienne is pretty cool.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

Sorry, I really like his retro voice....

I'm buying Get Behind Me Satan...



(You know, if you leave one "a" out of that title it comes out: "get Behind me Stan?'

[niyad]

8. if emeril can have musicians on his show, without any loss of popularity

to the musicians, why not on TDS?

I haven't heard of this group, either. guess I will have to catch them on the rerun tonight.

[TomInTib]

16. Key word "musicians". If they are musicians I am burning my

guitars.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

57. Jack White is a musician.

might want to go burn those guitars. :P

[TomInTib]

87. Yeah, so is Kenny G

Just kidding. We all have our on take. Mine is just older.

You would have to know from whence I came.

[Skip Intro]

12. I don't think either sold out. They tried something and

it could have gone better.

And the Stripes rock - I crank "Seven Nation Army" still - excellent music, imho.

They tried something and it kinda fell flat. I think the next TDS musical guest will be a long way off.

[LincolnMcGrath]

15. The Stripes did a cover of a Tegan and Sara song recently

Have you heard it?

[Gold Metal Flake]

17. Look, dude, you have no idea how much money it takes...

... to get one of those Silvertone 1484 amps to sound halfway decent. If the guy is using one of the amp shops in Hollywood, the labor costs are gonna send him to play on any venue that will turn on the lights.











No shit! :-)

[NWHarkness]

21. Gee, I can't imagine whay anyone thinks we are elitists...

Most of the people on this thread sound like Mitch Miller in 1965, bitching about that damn noise the kids call rock and roll.

[LincolnMcGrath]

22. Thank You

:hi:

[MuseRider]

24. Not bitching about noise

bitching that people with less talent than the squirrel in the tree out front have everyone getting in such a tizzy. Not elitist, just an opinion from someone who knows music well enough to know the difference between good music that I don't care for and crap.

[...of J.Temperance]

82. Hey have you heard any Roscoe Mitchell stuff? And Sun Ra?

Have you heard the "Sound" LP? It's free jazz, the FIRST track on it when they get going...it sounds EXACTLY like a farmyard...oh yeah, it does...it's FAB! Ah love mah free jazz.

Oh heck, Sun Ra's "The Magic City" is one of my FAVORITE LPs EVER.

On Edit: To add Sun Ra.

[MuseRider]

86. Sun Ra of course

but not Roscoe Mitchell. I will have to ask about him. I have to admit that free jazz is difficult for me. Although at the New Orleans Jazz Festival I had several wonderful experiences with what I would call avant-garde jazz, not certain it would fit into the definition of free jazz. I really only like jazz if one of my kids is playing ;) or if it is live. Jazz on CD just makes me nervous lol, I have no idea why.

[Atman]

34. Hey...I didn't say I didn't like 'em!

I have some of their stuff. I just wonder what the hell they're doing on TDS! Mitch Miller...bwhahahaha! My parents listened to that shit...and I'm fort...er...old!

[frylock]

54. word up!

[WindRavenX]

69. AMEN

Jesus, there is NO pleasing people.

I LOVE the White Stripes. I LOVE Jon.

Christ on a cracker.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

70. Fucking A! n/t

[conflictgirl]

85. Yes! I totally agree, thanks. nt

[FreedomAngel82]

27. Dolly Parton was on not too long ago

So? :shrug: I like the White Stripes.

[niyad]

37. I don't recall that dolly sang, though

[WCGreen]

31. Neither.... Why must anyone attaining any kind of success

be deemed a sell out... Enjoy the music or don't... But don't accuse someone of selling out because they happen to change formats...

[Atman]

46. I disagree

As an artist, once you "go mainstream," it's pretty tough to remain hip. You become just another account for some corporate dude in navy blue suit. It doesn't mean you aren't "successful."

I had this discussion with a painter friend of mine who landed a few big publishing deals with poster companies. She was afraid of being labeled "a sell-out." We agreed that if it means another million people find and dig your work, that's great...that's what we create art for, to reach people. But don't expect to be anything but a mall commodity afterwards. Ever seen that Thomas Kinkaid "painter of light" shit? Probably cute when Kinkaid actually painted them himself and toured art shows. Now they're created by an assembly line of poorly paid interns and apprentices, probably in China, and there is nothing hip or cool or even creative about that.

The Whites aren't yet "musicians of light." (That would have been The Carpenters). But going corporate like this...I hope they're putting a lot of their royalties into savings, because their fifteen minutes is about 15 seconds from up.

[WCGreen]

52. I think they are the best thing to happen to rock in a long time..

They haven;t changed their music... To sell out would be to sit down and consiously decide you are going to do something that you know will please the corporate masters...

Populatity doesn;t mean selling out....

[meisje]

33. Neither, but I do think DU has Jumped the Shark

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

55. jack is writing music for a coke commercial as we speak

so i say the white stripes

[Neil Lisst]

56. Most of the guests SUCK.

The guest segment is always the weakest part of the show. He can't be tough face to face, at least not on his own show. He's an entertainer with good comedic insights.

His job is to sell the show, and he's doing that. White Stripes job is to sell themselves. I loved it. Good tune, reminds of Led Zepplin. Yeah, I'll buy it.

I didn't see it as a sellout by anyone. Advertising to coincide with the appearance? Just business.

[Atman]

73. Wow...I would have been surprised if my post got 10 responses

Yet, it's a flamer!

I like the White Stripes. But the recent teevee commercials for their new album just strike me as...ugh...crass commercialism, like the ads for the crappy "world famous" "beloved" pop-stars that pop up all over the tube this time of year. "Flim Flamish has sold eleventy zillion albums in Eastern Europe...now his haunting spoon playing is available in America, just in time for Christmas (or is that holiday?), exclusively at Target!"

[MuseRider]

95. LOL that is where I first heard of

Slim Whitman! Who would have ever guessed he would be in a famous movie and as the hero!

[gulfcoastliberal]

88. Didn't Jack White assault another musician?

That's about all I know of them, is that the dude attacked some other musician because the guy criticized him in an interview or something. I wonder if it was a publicity stunt. Nvermind, I googled it and it does not seem like it was a stunt:

Duggan said his office investigated White’s claim of self-defense but all the witnesses said Stollsteimer did not provoke the attack or even attempt to fight back.

“We concluded that Mr. White did in fact bruise his hand on Mr. Stollsteimer’s face, but that does not constitute a valid charge,’’ Duggan said at a news conference.

Duggan said the two Detroit residents had a long disagreement that began after a magazine interview in which Stollsteimer criticized White’s role in producing the Von Bondies’ first album.
http://www.ent-today.com/music/mu122603_jw.htm

I found it odd that TDS would have a band on the show so I listened figuring they had to be something totally great - I think the sounds I heard were pretty commercial.

[killbotfactory]

89. Because they did a full week on Conan O'Brian, and Stewert was jealous

Especially after seeing Conan in their new video.

[Al Dente]

91. Did either of the white stripes ever attend school to study music?n/t

[LSdemocrat]

92. I don't think The White Stripes have to worry about mass exposure

Quite frankly, their music just doesn't come close to having a mainstream sound that appeals to a wide audience. They're basically a niche band that has and will have a devoted following, but won't quite get anything beyond occasional moderate airplay.

[blogslut]

115. LOL

All this hating reminds me of an old joke:

Q: How many lead guitarists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Four. One to screw it in and three to stand by and say "I can do that!"

I dig the stripes. They're fun. I dig Jon. He's funny.

[MrSlayer]

116. I just have to say that The White Stripes suck.

Major league moose cock suck. But I'm sure they're laughing all the way to the bank.

[last_texas_dem]

127. I say neither

"The Daily Show" having a band on doesn't have much to do with them selling out or not.

As far as the White Stripes are concerned, I do think they've been over-hyped and they don't really do all that much for me in general (although "Seven Nation Army" is a great song IMHO), I don't think they've particularly changed their style to become popular. They're still a pretty raw, basic sounding band.
And doing a commercial to promote your own album doesn't bother me as much as bands (*cough* The Who *cough*) who let what seems like their entire catalog be used to sell other products. (And yeah, I know there are situations like John Fogerty's where the songs being used in commercials are out of their control, but I know this isn't the case for many).

[MirrorAshes]

131. Wow... so much hate for one of the few genuinely great bands of our time

in the mainstream world, anyway.

You folks should ease up. You don't know it all, even though you think you do.

:patriot:

[Peter Frank]

144. Get the joke & get over it...

Don't you get that Jon doesn't do anything w/o an underlying reason?

This show had nothing to do with ratings. The "White Stripes" were on only because of their name. Jon was poking fun at traditional "white" supporters.

Anyone else get this?