I said I would never do it, but.... I have a date with a * voter tonight.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

It's OK though, he said "I was so wrong. I think about it alot nowadays."

He said he just didn't like Kerry, and it sounds like the 'bullhorn' moment at WTC made him feel like * was the better choice.

Am I going to hell for this? I hope not, cause he's really HOT! :P

[Tesha]

1. Prob'ly not going to hell, but you understand that...

> "I was so wrong"

Prob'ly not going to hell, but you understand that he's probably not
intelligent enough for you, right?

Tesha

[Viva_La_Revolution]

4. He's no dummy...

Just uneducated about the ways of the political world. I explained a little about the way the media covered the campaign, and how he was never given all the information he needed to make a better decision.

He listened... that's sexy!

[WolverineDG]

75. is he listening because he's interested

or because he wants to, you know.... :blush:

good luck, Viva...you're a bigger person than i am...i know i couldn't date a republian, no matter how hot he is.

dg

[FreedomAngel82]

83. Wow

He listened? No talking points? Wow. Maybe you can get him to watch F911?? Make it a date!

[wakeme2008]

2. Off to the woodshed

Viva_La_Revolution :spank:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. No, you won't go to hell

Some of the most ardent workers for Dems that I know of are former Republicans who have realized they were conned. But I'd be cautious, and make sure the guy is sincere, and not just saying things because he thinks YOU are really hot! :)

[SpiralHawk]

31. Men saying things because they think you are hot ?

Well really, I never...I can't possibly imagine that ever happening (LOL).

[PowerToThePeople]

5. Sorry. He is probably real dense. But, any relationship is ...

completely your choice. Just don't bring up politics and you may have a good night.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. Politics is okay...

It better be, because nowadays that's all I talk about!

He sees the error of his ways, admits he made a very bad choice. how sweet!

[PowerToThePeople]

16. Guys have been known to say alot for a piece.

I know that I have even held back the full truth or worded something in a way that would behoove my chances a little if I felt it would help.

But, now I am older and don't care one way or another. Take it or leave it attitude.

[KansDem]

49. Yeah, I remember those days...

I often played the willing dummy for the little ventriloquist who lived in my pants...

[tenshi816]

116. I've always called that letting the little head

think for the big one!

[FreedomAngel82]

84. I know the perfect test

Ask him if he wants to watch F911 with you and if he says "no!!" and runs away than there you go. If he shows at least some intrest than you'll have your answer on him. :)

[seabeyond]

6. a lot of men vote bush cause it is the manly thing to do. my husband

voted bush in 2000. voted kerry 2004. changes can be made

[Skittles]

23. it's manly to vote for a f***ing idiot?

how does that work?

[KansDem]

47. I think the Election of 1994 would make an excellent study...

I recall it as the "I'm ignorant and proud of it" election.

[seabeyond]

57. was it back in 94? cause i really saw it in 2000 n/t

[seabeyond]

56. knuckle dragging, grab balls, spit and carry a beer

oooops bush too wussy to carry a beer. but he is so stupid, he throws over sobriety for image. is that what you are trying to spit out. hey, as i say, i love my girlie guys. i hvae two sons and a hubby totally embrace the girlie guy thing. awesome masculinity in its finest. especially when hubby wears toolbelt to put up the christmas lites.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

32. As one of MANY, MANY male Democrats...

...that was a rather sexist remark.

[seabeyond]

59. lol lol lol no it isnt. i will discuss it with you al over the place. an

it isnt even about me doing anyting. it is what the guys are doing. bah hahahaha. that is funny. listen to the males. listen to the male repug define what a repug male is. listen to what the christian right teach male that male is. listen to rush tell all the males what they are. not to mention all of fox news, with their poll climbing, humping, high heeled woman on all the time. i have two brothers and a father that continually tell me what their male is, not to mention arnie in calif telling all the male in that state what dem and repug male is

and i can keep on going

these are facts. what do you want from me. offended? talk to the guys

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

62. 44.6% of all men voted for Kerry in 2004.

That's roughly 25 million American males.

So yes, you made an EXTREMELY sexist remark. And it's not the first time.

[seabeyond]

64. ya ya y ay a ya..... or you just dont get it n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

70. Or you're just being sexist.

[seabeyond]

71. it doesnt have anything to do with me. it is fact....that repug says

this. this is yours, mine and everyone elses reality. i just have nothing to protect, to pretend

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

72. You're refuting sheer fact with absolutely no real evidence.

44.6% of men voted for Kerry, and yet you still insist what you said is in any way a valid statement. Only 51% of women voted for Kerry - so why are they any better in your estimation?

[seabeyond]

76. we are talking about men who voted bush. what does kerry

have to do with the subject? yea to all the men that voted kerry and didnt fall for that stupid shit that real men vote bush. they are the heroe's, the coolest, my fav. i dont know what the hell you are arguing. and nifty to alllll the women that voted for kerry too and didnt fall for the family value party of repug.....that still you can have family value, more so and vote dem

i do not even know what you are arguing.

[Protagoras]

60. I'm sure we'll somehow survive though

but hey why should that ever stop us from being shocked and outraged.

Anyone got some carmel covered popcorn? :party:

[marions ghost]

107. I agree

I think there is a crisis in confidence about what it means to be male in this culture, and identifying with sports figures, movie heroes, or political strong men can help boost one's sense of masculinity. SO many men are insecure about this that it was not surprizing to see the knee-jerk response to the bluster of the Chickenhawks.

Maybe along with the fall of Bushco can come a new definition of what it means to be a strong individual (male or female) and a good leader. Because the neanderthal breast-beating approach in politics AIN'T working.

[Brewman_Jax]

7. All I can say is...

good luck--you might need it. Anyone who can justify voting for Bush* is probably not a deep thinker.

P.S. If he's that hot, maybe you could just...borrow him for a while.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. LOL - don't think I wasn't considering just that!

"borrow him for a while" :rofl:

[Brewman_Jax]

21. Good call

at least you know that he's way too stupid to keep.

[leftchick]

8. my hubby was a repuke

until he met me 15 years ago. Now he proudly wears his NO "W" and "Liberal... It's a good Thing" T-Shirts!

:)

[FreedomAngel82]

88. Aww

How cute!

[zbdent]

11. Are you sure he's not "switching" just to get lucky?

and thinking that you might come around to him because he found out you're a thinking person instead of a sheep?

[Skittles]

12. I still think people who ever fell for such a moron are idiots

I can't help it

[Tesha]

17. I'm on your side. (NT)

[Skittles]

22. I mean, it's not like tons of research was necessary

the man's complete idiocy was on display every time he f***ing SPOKE

[Nay]

40. Too true, Skittles. How is it that we can see right through this

jerk as he fumbles his way through a "speech," and so many other people think he is just great?

Anyway, Viva, have a good time. Maybe he has already converted himself to our side and you can rest easy.

[cfield]

45. It's not being an idiot if you've never been educated

I have to tell my husband that about my infant nephew; he says the baby is dumb. The baby is not dumb, he just isn't educated. It works the same way with politics.

That's not to excuse those who don't bother to become educated, or to educate themselves. I'm just saying some don't know any better and need to be taught.

[shanti]

80. but you have to agree

it's hard to teach an old dog new trix.

[cfield]

102. I do

That's very true. Once they're set, it's hard to change them; I know from experience!!

At the same time, someone who doesn't know any better (like myself which I can explain if you'd like- but no, I wasn't stupid enough in 04 to vote for dip-shit) can't be called an idiot if they've never been taught/had the opportunity to learn.
I was just referring to IF this guy had never been interested in politics, if he'd never given any thought (which is no excuse!) or if he's like so many of my fellow Kansans who vote every election but are completely politically UN-inclined, then he may not be liable for his vote. I mean, he is still responsible, and I guess should be held liable to a degree, but we can't judge until we know more.
For example, I had a coworker at election time. She's 20 (at the time) doesn't know jack about politics or politicians. Ditzy little goofy girl, doesn't have a care in the world. Strong Bush supporter. Only at election time. Doesn't vote (because why bother, it doesn't affect her). But if she did, she'd vote *. Why? Because her life's alright, so he must be doing an okay job.
She's putting clothes on her back (thanks to her parents buying them for her), food on her table (thanks to living near a military base in a town that has very low cost of living so all she has to pay is 300 bucks rent and has no other bills), drives a car that she loves (which is an 80's Honda that she has pimped out thanks to friends at a stereo/speaker shop) and she has a job she can tolerate (that pays her less than 8 bucks an hour). And she's happy. She could be better off, especially now that she's pregnant and planning a wedding, but she's doing okay for herself considering (she knows Mommy and Daddy will pay for baby supplies/wedding/hospital bills). And, now she's going to buy a new house (for $40,000, with Mom and Dad's help). So, if she has all this under the current regime, why want anything to change? Oh! She can get better health care under Kerry? That's okay, she's still on her parents insurance so that doesn't affect her. Education could improve under Kerry? Well, by the time the baby's ready for school there will be a different president anyway, and he'll have time to improve things. Besides, school was okay for her so it can't be that bad. We could fund stem cell research and find a cure for many diseases? She doesn't have any of those diseases so that's not enough reason to change things from how they are. And, any way, the troops knew when they joined the military that they could end up in war, that's what soldiers do!
This girl doesn't care. She's never been inclined to care. When anything actually DOES affect her, it won't be the president's fault, because he doesn't have anything to do with the way things are in Kansas. Politicians don't have anything to do with us and our daily lives. And if you want to tell her how they DO, it doesn't matter, she's not really interested, now let her call her fiance to fight about why she didn't call him while she was at lunch.
If this girl had voted, and voted for *, I couldn't say I'd never speak to her again. I couldn't refuse to watch her baby who I treat as my nephew/son. I couldn't avoid having lunch with her. I couldn't blame her for the shit we're in because of her president. All I could blame her for is uncaring and ignorance and refusing to become educated.
It's the people who do understand politics, who look up 'credible' info, who incessantly spout right wing talking points and tell you to "shut up" when you can debunk those points because they don't care about the truth-they care about their party affiliation, that are idiots. They are the ones who I blame for * and for allowing him to put us where we are. It's those people, like my family, that will never change and they are the ones that are wrong with America today.
My coworker still has a chance. She can still be changed. There is hope for her, because she doesn't care and can be shown that it's good to care. She's not a repuke worth writing off. And she's not idiotic. She's uneducated. And stupid for not wanting to become educated; but I'm not giving up on her.

There are many people like her out there. They're not void of fault, but there is hope for them. It's hard not to give up on anyone in support of *. Very nearly impossible. And with my temper, even more near. But as long as there's a sliver of chance, I'll fight my temper and my anger at this administration, and I'll fight for Truth and Knowledge and Education.

[shanti]

117. they may be reachable

if you get them when they're young and malleable, like the 20 yr old. otherwise :shrug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

105. Worse than idiots, they are despicable especially if they voted for

the POS twice. 2000 would have been bad enough, but 2004 is really unforgivable, imo. No excuse! If they voted for him because they were afraid of the terrorists :eyes: even worse for being frightened little wimps!

[Mutley]

13. Hey, I'd look at it this way.

You have a chance to bring someone who clearly feels remourse over voting for W to our side. You can make this man a Democrat -- one more vote for our side in '06 and '08.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

25. I'm feeling less guilt already!

It's a Public Service, right? Taking one for the team! :rofl:

[Robert Cooper]

26. Just remember...

...he's from the -shallow- end of the gene pool ;-)

Anyone who needed -two- terms of Bush before getting a clue isn't abundantly bestowed with brains.

[Mutley]

27. Exactly!

;)

I salute you for the 'sacrifice' you're making for America. :D

[FreedomAngel82]

89. And if he is really cute

than it's not that bad of a public service eh? ;)

[Geek_Girl]

110. Exactly

Women need to start converting their men to liberals. I married an independent and even though he's still registered independent. He votes democrat and listens to AAR all the time now.

[demnan]

14. There are so few non-Republican men

that you would have to resign yourself to a life alone if that was your main stipulation.

Hope you can convert "Mr. Hot"

[many a good man]

19. You mean non-republican "WHITE" men !

They are the only demographic that consistently votes R.

[shanti]

81. works for me!

:cheesing :D

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

34. So the 24.5 million males that voted for Kerry in 2004 are "so few"?

44.6% of men voted for Kerry. Talk about an absolutely sexist and asinine statement on your behalf.

[demnan]

36. Well, they don't live in my state

wasn't meant as an insult, just an observation. Sorry you took it that way.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

37. It's a poor observation, at best.

[Clark2008]

55. Not in the red states, it's not.

It took me 35 years to find a good Dem man - and he's not originally from here.

Believe me, if you're attracted to white men, then there are slim pickings of single, Democratic men in the red states. Seriously.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

58. In the red states, women are Republicans too.

Here's a hint - that's why they're called "Red States"!

[Clark2008]

61. I'm in a red state and I'm a woman and I'm NOT a Republican.

In the South, there are 40-48 percent who vote Democratic. However, most of them are black voters of both sexes and white women voters.

So - take a hint - not everyone in the 'Red States' votes red.

:eyes:

[Nicole]

92. I'm a woman in a red state who is NOT a Republican

I don't know many women here who are.

[NYCGirl]

63. And they all live here in NYC!

:evilgrin:

[Porcupine]

78. Not so, I can't find a liberal woman to date in N. California....

all the women are listed as "middle of the road" on yahoo personals. Almost none of them are liberal or very liberal.

[DemonFighterLives]

15. The first step is admission

Be cautious though. My sister in law got sucked in by a guy who claimed he was attached to neither party and didn't know, blah, blah.
It didn't take me long to find out that he was an ardent fan of dubby. Dubby could do no wrong and this guy could not be reached. Now he is married and my sister in law is hanging on a string hoping for his divorce in a year. I told her to forget that lousy republican (sorry to any good ones). If he is going to lie about his politics and having a wife, he is not worth a crap. I told her he has a big "L" on his forehead for loser.

That said, some may be able to be reached. :scared:

[converted_democrat]

18. Do what makes you happy!

Sounds like he's sorry he voted for him...Maybe you can get him to undergo a full conversion, and get him to come and play on our team!! Seriously, life is so short, do what makes you happy!

edit-left out a word

[Dhalgren]

20. He voted for Bush in '04! Because he "didn't like Kerry"?!!

No way would I agree to go out with anyone like that. If someone like that wants to come back to being a small "d" democrat and make amends for having been a fascist supporter (at least), fine; help him along. But date him? No way! Being "hot" doesn't make up for supporting murder and oppression. At least not to me...

[Neecy]

51. I just couldn't do it either

I look at * voters and I automatically see the enablers of this immoral and illegal war, the looting of the middle class and the punishment of the working class, the corruption and chaos that defines today's GOP...the people who voted for this have a share of the responsibility for the shithole that our country is falling into. I hold them just as responsible as I do Bush. I just couldn't stomach dating one, no matter how "good" or "moderate" they claim to be. Just couldn't do it.

[cmd]

24. My daughter's problem, too

After the election she decided that she would go out with Bush supporters, but she would NEVER offer to pay for anything.

[Toots]

28. Some like em dumb

:shrug:

[Village Idiot]

29. Make sure HE pays for dinner!!!

[BlueManDude]

30. This guy ain't real bright n/t

[triguy46]

33. Use him, abuse him, throw him away, find a true believer!!

:dem:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

35. Politics should never determine whom you have relationships with.

It's one thing to have preferences, but it's another to exclude based on politics.

[Brewman_Jax]

39. I've found that

politics tends to spill into other areas. An older gentleman, who goes to my mother's church (a very liberal one, no less), has said that liberalism is the worst thing to have happened to this country. He would later reveal himself as a screaming freeper racist for all to see.

That's just one example (I have plenty more), but most freepers/republicans aren't people I'd want to spend much time around.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

41. There are millions and millions of non-hateful Republicans.

Party affiliation does NOT automatically make one hateful. Yeah, I'm sure you do have tons of examples, and I know I do too, but that is not enough to exactly formulate a scientific law, nor is it nearly enough to exclude all Republicans from your life without further evidence.

[Brewman_Jax]

43. I agree

party affiliation and the example above don't (and can't) meet the requirements of scientific law. Two questions: you're saying that all republicans should not be immediately dismissed just because they vote republican? Second, does the example above meet your definition of evidence?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

44. If his actions were definitely racist, sure that's enough evidence.

It's hard to say with limited knowledge, but I give you the benefit of the doubt.

As for your first question, I absolutely don't think people should be dismissed based on party affiliation. A lot of things go into one's political beliefs, but a lot of Republicans are still good people. You should judge people based on how they deal with those around them. Personally, I have a number of Republican friends that work on Capitol Hill, even a couple in less than desireable offices. One of my closest friends in particular. But he is not racist in any way, volunteers regularly for homeless charities, would do anything at all for any of his friends, and is genuinely a nice guy. We have VERY heated debates about politics, of course, but no matter how heated it gets, there is never any doubt of our ability to continue being friends, even if we are enemies professionally. Quite frankly, that's how life in DC used to be, before Republicans took over. It's sad, but our friendship has become an increasingly rare one around here.

[Brewman_Jax]

46. Thanks for the clarification

I see that you have a different view since you work in DC. The republicans you deal with seem to be intelligent and well-informed. That's good that you're still friends in spite of. The ones I see are the willfully ignorant, intellectually dishonest, kool-aid drinking freepers. They've been quiet lately because of the war and scandals, but a few still worship Bush*. Being a non-WASP, they sometimes feel free to tell me their "persecuted white guy" and other Limbaugh-generated tall tales. They don't get any sympathy. :nopity:

Yes, conditions were better before the republican takeover.

[FreedomAngel82]

90. Exactly

At my church in the college class all the kids there except my brother and I voted for Bush. Why? :shrug: My brother and I were the only Kerry supporters. But they're all great people and one is one of my best friends. Politics isn't the end of the world for why you're with someone. My dad is a republican and my mom used to be one (she became an indie back in April or so) and they've been married twenty-seven years now. My dad isn't a fundie nor a freeper and he, like me, loves the Daily show and Stephen Colbert's show.

[Tesha]

65. You just haven't met enough Republicans/Libertarians yet. (NT)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

74. I've met more than my share, thanks.

[shanti]

66. i definitely don't agree

it would cause great strife. who wants to live like that?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

73. Only if you can't be mature adults about it.

[shanti]

79. oh please

i'm not into drama, and it has nothing to do with being an "adult". at age 50, i know what works for me and what doesn't.

your mileage may vary.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

95. No, maturity has absolutely everything to do with it.

Two people can absolutely disagree philosophically and yet still be friends without any drama. I have accomplished this every single day. You must have a little humility and acknowledge that you don't know everything and be open to other points of view. You have to debate without getting personal. And that is ALL about being a mature human being. Age has nothing to do with being mature, as I know plenty of 50, 60, and 70 year olds that have the maturity of a 15 year old.

[Qibing Zero]

118. You're assuming some common ground.

I've met countless people where I can't even find that.

With no common ground, ANY potentially meaningful discussion turns on itself and dies. I don't care how civil the situation is, I don't care how open minded you are - if you cannot even agree on the basic parts of speech, you simply cannot have a conversation.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

38. He's probably saying "I was so wrong" to try and get some...

Especially if he knows you voted for Kerry.
I've turned extrememly callous, but I can't ever, ever trust anyone who voted for Bush again. And I sure as hell couldn't date anyone who didn't share my values.

[info being]

68. Exactly.

Ask him to talk politics in front of his friends and see where he stands.

[FreedomAngel82]

91. I would try to get him to watch F911

;) See how he reacts to that.

[neebob]

42. Well, I have a girlfriend who "appreciates how he handled 9/11,"

whatever the hell that means - I don't want to know - and would probably vote for him again. That works out all right because there are other things to love her for - as a friend, I mean. I just avoid President Shithead and other subjects where we disagree. But you couldn't pay me to date someone who didn't share my politics. That's just asking for it. No amount of physical hotness outweighs having ideological disagreements or even just the possibility of having them.

[GreenPartyVoter]

48. Good luck fixing him. I married a conservative and have yet to

win him over to our side. :(

[PassingFair]

50. To me, the real deal breaker would be the war.

I could not, just COULD NOT sleep with anyone who backed this Invasion of Iraq. Anyone who thinks its AOK to bomb the shit out of another country, kill innocent civilians and steal their natural resources would NEVER be allowed to mate with me. Dem or Pub!

Luckily, I'm happily married to a great dem and humanist.

[dennisnyc]

52. Hellbound? No! but be sure to subtly figure out if he has

progressive values. Family, protecting our nation, equality, etc...

good luck!

[Thtwudbeme]

53. and this is important enough for GD?

Why didn't you just put it in LBN?

[Jed Dilligan]

54. WATCH OUT

Dogs and small children can tell that Bush is evil through a TV screen. This person has either been traumatized horribly or has a truly evil soul.

[info being]

67. Guys say whatever it takes to get laid

That includes, "I was wrong about Bush." The first rule of seduction is say whatever the woman needs to hear.

[BJW]

69. So what happened on your date? Waiting for the new post w/updates!

[Ariana Celeste]

77. Nothing wrong with that.

We can't allow politics to rule every facet of our lives. :)

If you two are attracted to eachother, and have other things in common, then great! Have a good time! I'm sure even when it comes to politics you may find things you agree on, and anything else you can be civil about. Not every issue is necessarily D vs R.

My husband and I aren't as far apart on the political spectrum as you and your date, but we have a lot of issues we don't agree on. When in the mood (usually with a couple drinks ;)) we can discuss the issues, and if not end up agreeing one way or the other, at least come to a better understanding of eachother's perspective, and we both learn. It can be fun. :).

Have a great time!!

[FreedomAngel82]

82. As long as he regrets it

and you can get him to vote democratic at least next term. ;) And as long as he's nice to you and isn't a moron.

[Hubert Flottz]

85. Better take all your shots before you go!

Don't believe anything the dude says and keep a tight grip on your coin purse.

[NickB79]

86. Don't listen to all the negative comments here

I have a deep, dark secret: I.......voted for Bush in 2000. I was only 20, in college in a very conservative city in central Minnesota, and got swept up in the "vote Bush to save your guns and unborn babies" mantra of the NRA (I grew up in a very rural area with a very conservative, pro-gun, pro-life family). If it weren't for that issue, I would have been pretty much a straight-up Democrat.

By 2002, I was kicking myself for being so stupid. I was taking Human Relations and Social Justice classes and began to realize just how much damage the Republicans were doing to our nation. I did not renew my NRA membership.

By 2003, I was marching in protest rallies on campus against the invasion of Iraq and arguing with students from the College Republicans. Friends I'd had for years did a double-take when I began venting every time Bush's leadership was mentioned, blurting out "But I thought you were a Republican?"

By 2004 I voted for Kerry. To be honest, I didn't really like him either, but voted for him because I felt he was the lesser of two evils.

The moral of my story is that some people can change. Not all Republicans out there are beyond help; many were simply raised by Repub parents and were never exposed to any opposing arguments to challenge their adopted belief system. So go on the date, have fun, and see if you can convert him :-)

[cfield]

106. I too voted * in 2000

I didn't know better. No excuse, I know. But there was no other option for me. Being in reddest of red Kansas it didn't matter anyway but that's no comfort to me now. It's from my own experience that I don't judge too quickly if there's a hint of someone turning against * even this late in the game. Granted, I don't understand how anyone could have made it this far and not seen the light, but I do know it's possible (see my post #102).

I was 18, barely out of high school and had been raised in a fundie repuke home/family. (Again, no excuse, but I can't say I voted for * without giving an explanation.) I didn't know any different. Repubs are for life-no abortion, they're a hopeful party, they want things better for us, they won't raise our taxes, and they won't be caught involved in any sexual acts outside of marriage. AND, they're Christians.

Oh, and dems, don't even go there. Why, they want to stick their noses in our business, they want to raise our taxes and let women make their own choices. Dems have S-E-X, even with people they aren't married to and even when it's not just to procreate. Why, dems even do crude things like have s-e-x with their *mouths*. And they lie.

Besides, Jesus loves everyone but he loves repubs more because they follow His law. You know, His law about not swearing, or wanting S-E-X, and not murdering unborn babies, and obeying your parents under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And never questioning your parents. And never thinking that love and peace and acceptance is more honorable than voting for your party.
This was drilled into my head for EIGHTEEN years. And I never met anyone that questioned my belief in these ideas. No one ever said, 'hey Cindy, if they believe in life so much, why do they not hesitate, not even LOOK for a way to NOT send soldiers to certain death in wars that may not be necessary. And, Cindy, why is sex so bad if God created it? Because God doesn't make mistakes, isn't that what you believe? And why, just because you believe in Jesus, are you better qualified to determine that the lady in the other town who you've never met, why are you better able to determine that she is a murderer who doesn't deserve compassion because she aborted her baby when she was 17, and addicted to crack, and living with an abusive man who forced her to have sex with him and his friends every night while she cried and begged them to stop while they hit her and cursed her and spat on her. You really think, if she'd kept the baby, it would have lived to term and been born healthy and happy, and that she would have been able to give the baby to a loving family? Do you know, Cindy, that IF that baby HAD lived to term, and IF he had been born healthy; which is VERY VERY UNLIKELY; that no one would want him because of his dirty/nasty parentage and that the baby would have been in foster care for nearly his whole life, and grown up feeling unloved, and like there was something wrong with him. And most likely, he would have turned to the same drugs his mama did, and become the abusive man his father was. And your Christian family would have turned their backs on the likes of him because he's scum. Do you think that's what your Jesus wants? Shouldn't you evaluate Jesus' teachings yourself? Shouldn't *you* look into what each presidential candidate believes? Before you just go and vote?" NO ONE EVER ASKED ME TO REEVALUATE WHAT I HAD BEEN RAISED TO BELIEVE. That's the horrible part about Kansas. There aren't many here who *would* ask anyone to rethink things. And the ones that are, don't target high schoolers.

And so, never knowing any different, never realizing that I could find out different, I went to the polls on election day and I filled in the circle under *'s name. Because he was a republican. An honorable, Christian man. (Makes me gag to even type it.)
And I was proud of myself for doing my job as an American and voting for the Right Man For The Job. Now things could only get better in America. How wrong I was. And how I regret it. But, now I *do* know better. And I care. And I'm working to show others that they have options. They don't have to blindly follow, they don't have to believe just because someone tells them; they can go out and find out, for themselves. The truth is out there. And no matter how late in the game it is, they can change. They have until it's over. And, folks, it's not over yet. Being perilously close still isn't the end.

Edited because I wasn't finished yet and I hit the wrong button.

[OnionPatch]

112. Well, you figured it out ok

That's hopeful. Good for you.

You say there is no one there to suggest you re-evaluate your ideas. Well, now you're there. Maybe you can have some soul-seeking conversations with your friends who may be like you were. :shrug:

[cfield]

114. Absolutely

Except I have only a handful of friends, and they're already on my side. My husband (boyfriend at the time) helped me to open my mind and look at the whole picture. I was starting to feel uneasy about the things I had been buying into, and he's the one that assured me it was okay to take a step back and make my own decisions based off ALL the facts rather than ignore anything that went agaist what I believed and keep believing the same things. Now we've got just a few people we spend time with, partly because we aren't big on going out and meeting new people, and partly because there aren't many people around that we'd enjoy being with. So, the friends we have that haven't seen the light yet, we're working on. It may never happen, but at least I know I'm trying.

[sendero]

87. At any point in life..

... people can see the light. I was a Republican once. It wasn't because I was stupid, it was because I was seduced with half the story.

Don't hold the past against this guy. Listen carefully and see if he is sincere NOW and go on that.

I believe in redemption, people can and do change. :)

[Leeny]

93. Bring a voter registration card

on your date and make him re-register.

I can think of one * hottie I met years ago on a state Senate campaign. He was a friend of the also-hottie press secretary for the Dem candidate. He was about as left as you could get for a *. Although *'s those days were different than they are today.

I guess it's okay, but just this one time!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

94. All I can say is you must be pretty hard-up to date a Bush-supporter....

...and if you think I'm being rude now, let me tell you that I had to restrain myself from even harsher language.

[DistressedAmerican]

96. Once He Has A Taste O' The The Old Liberal Lovin' He Will Never Go Back!

I Say flip him and flip him good!:evilgrin:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

120. .....

post #119

:evilgrin:

[leesa]

97. I'm sorry, but the bullhorn moment??? Is he a teeny bopper?

Sounds pretty shallow because that was a pretty empty moment. Good luck.

[DemonFighterLives]

98. There's got to be a morning after!

We're all ready for the details.
Do we need to do a exorcism or deprogramming? You just let us know.
:freak:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

99. Never dated a Democrat. I think opposites attract and this one

sounds like a winner - since he was willing to admit he was wrong. Have fun !

[peekaloo]

100. Ask him his views on abstinence vs. "con-dems".

:rofl:

[Hubert Flottz]

101. After sex, tell him you have V D.

And that now, he probably will have a dose of it too!

You will be able to tell by his response, if he's a typical woman beating, Gawd Fearin' Freeper type!

[patdem]

103. Viva...I demand an UPDATE! You set up all these people and then

leave them (me) without an update! I saw this post yesterday and did not respond because I figured it was YOUR business...now it is MY business cause, well, cause it is! :evilgrin:

[Dem Agog]

104. At best, have sex with the retarded loser and dump him..

No matter how pretty he is, he sounds stupid and retarded to me. I was always about the brains, though... I couldn't swap spit with this pretty fool, personally, without puking down his throat.

Then again, a Republican deserves that... so try to do that instead.

[leftofthedial]

108. don't breed with it

make it pay for everything

[Geek_Girl]

109. As long as he's a reformed Bush Supporter

It sounds like it could be a cool relationship. Good luck!

[davekriss]

111. I know in my case...

...a woman can be the most physically beautiful woman in the world, but as soon as she espoused conservative politics and philosophy she'd be entirely unattractive to me. I could not date a Bush conservative, no way no how.

[the_real_38]

113. so, did she sleep with him or what?

n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

115. LOL!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

119. Okay, anybody want to know how it went?

We didn't talk much politics, but we talked for hours. He's no Repug!

The only details you're gonna get are that I just got home an hour ago, and we both had big smiles on our faces.

:P

On edit: I couldn't leave with just that...

We could have spent hours getting a little drunk and talking about our lives, our kids, our histories, music, and sports; fallen asleep at 4am, got up gone to breakfast and parted ways with a kiss and plans to get together again very soon....


Or....












Maybe we got a little drunk, talked for hours about our lives, our kids, our histories, music, and sports; spent a few hours making mad, sweaty, head-board-banging-while-the-phone-is-ringing-cause-the-neighbors-called-the-front-desk whoopie till 4 in the morning. Gotten up, had breakfast, and parted ways with a intense knee-weakin-kiss and with plans to get together again very soon....



:rofl: serves you right for wondering! :evilgrin: