I Have Questions About The Happy Holidays Nonsense

[ProfessorGAC]

With Falwell encouraging people to sue, and Idiot O'Reilly talking about the "war on Christmas", i have a question. Maybe it will take some Jewish DU'ers to clarify.

Hasn't Hannukah always been at this time of year? Haven't the Jewish folks been celebrating Hannukah since before Christ was even born? So, wasn't it a religious holiday of some sort before Christmas?

Leaving aside the incorrect date and the whole pagan winter solstice or Saturnalian celebrations, isn't the whole move to strike Happy Holidays in favor of having to SAY christmas rooted in anti-semitism?
The Professor

[Branjor]

1. I think it's rooted in anti-everything except Christianity....

n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Yeah, But The Ant-Semitism Charge Is A Hammer We Can Wield

To put this nonsense down, i think we should question the anti-Jewish motivation behind it. Nobody, and i mean nobody, can take a charge of anti-Semitism lightly. Not Idiot O'Reilly, not Fail-Well, nobody.

The Professor

[VaYallaDawg]

12. I think you've got a strategy there, Prof.

That's what the whole thing is about with the RW anyway, they're just looking for a straw man to whinge about the "liberals imposing their evil atheist will on the population."

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. Amen

[Ioo]

3. That is it! You are so Sued!!!!

Stop with your crazy talk, you are shaking my faith with your words (Because it is only hanging on by some tape)

Yes, JESUS most-likly went to a many Hannukah dinners!

[DougieZero]

4. this has always been a fake war

I don't want my fellow DU'ers to fall for the "war on Christmas" thing. who cares if the Wal-Mart door person says Christmas... 95% of the store is Christmas items this time of the year anyways.

O'Reilly is fighting with these "anonymous secular liberals" trying to save Christmas... who are these people?.... answer: they don't exist. He does this EVERY year.

[ProfessorGAC]

6. I Guess I'm Proposing A Way To Fight Back

Merely the fear of being labeled anti-Semitic might make some of these idiots shut up.
The Professor

[Hobarticus]

5. It's rooted in a playground punching-bag mentality...

Christians apparently don't feel like they're true soldiers for Christ unless they suffer for their faith. And in these modern times, the nasty things that made Christians like getting tossed to lions, burned at the stake, cruxifiction, etc. just doesn't happen...unless the CIA gets ahold of you. So they have to invent their "suffering". Instead of doing something like, oh, volunteering for combat duty in Iraq or working for months on end doing hurricane clean-up in our wn Gulf Coast, and REALLY suffering, they have to whip up a non-existing "Christmas under attack" line.

Pretty pathetic, actually.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. Pathetic Indeed. But:

I'm looking for a way to make most folks know that while they're claiming persecution, they are harming another religion that's been celebrating a holiday at the same time of year for 2500 years longer! (Or whatever time Hannukah actually began to be celebrated. I don't know.)

The Professor

[Gidney N Cloyd]

8. I have two opinions that I'm trying to reconcile.

One: A Christmas Tree is a Christmas Tree. An evergreen tree with lights and decorations on it today represents a key holiday of the Christian faith regardless how many druids or whoever used to dance around something similar. Calling it a "Holiday Tree" is just as silly as calling a menorah a candelabra. Put it up in the town square, call it what it is and take your lumps.

Two: Christians who object to "Happy Holidays" are intolerant idiots trying to co-opt the entire season. They are mental dinosaurs desperately fighting against inclusiveness and diversity.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. I Would Say I Think You're Right On Both Counts

The Professor

[AValdoux]

9. Its the fund raising issue right now

I thought we had this whole thing worked out years ago. If it was a government funded display it couldn't have any religious references. Cities, schools, etc were free to have Santa, Rudolph & elves but no Jesus or Menorrah. Private organizations like churches, stores, etc could do whatever they wanted because it wasn't paid for with taxes.

This issue is just to sell books, raise money at the church offerings and it gives FOX something to bitch about because everything that is really wrong was caused by the TIIC.

AValdoux

[Greyhound]

13. TIIC? n/t

[teenagebambam]

11. Correct me if I'm wrong....

...but isn't Channukah a really MINOR Jewish holiday, that we only hear about because of the rampant commercialism surrounding Christmas? What I mean is, since Channukah DID coincidentally fall near Christmas, it was sort of beefed up so that Jewish people would feel compelled to buy stuff too?

[ProfessorGAC]

15. Could Be!

But, it's still a holiday that pre-dates christmas. So, the point is still the same. There are two holidays there, so saying Happy Holidays is inclusive. Rebelling against it is exclusionary and is directed at Jewish folks.

Besides, do the idiots that are complaining know that the 1st of January is a high holyday in some chrisitan sects. (RC, for one.) So, there are two holidays within 8 days even for many, many christians.

And, both Christmas and New Year's day are national holidays.

My point is to find a way to mute the complaints by accusing them of anti-Semitism, which i believe is a contributing element to their whining.
The Professor

[TahitiNut]

16. I think it has to do with the "Christmas Spirit"

If a Jew or other non-Christian generously wishes Falwell a "happy holidays" then Falwell's response is a "Fuck you!" It's not about generosity of spirit any more; it's about Scrooging others. No longer is any KKKristo-fascist obliged to acknowledge those of differing faiths and greet them with respect and good will. "Good Will Towards Men*" now has an expanded footnote: "* White Christian Protestant Men Who Vote Republican Only - Irrespective Of Any Law or Constitutional Prohibition."

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Then We Should Call Them On It

We should call them on the lack of the spirit. We should question whether it's rooted in hatred for the Jewish. I'm looking for tactics to get them to STFU.
The Professor

[TahitiNut]

18. It makes me wonder when Protestants began celebrating ...

... "Christ's Mass." Last month? Is it a high mass? Why do they no longer regard it as a "holy day"? :eyes:

Yes, I do think it's immersed in anti-semitism, in part. But even more, it's all manner of xenophobia and sociopathic attitudes. They're claiming an exclusive entitlement to impose a narrow sectarian dogma upon secular people and institutions.

Personally, I simply reply "Bah! Falwellbug!" In my opinion, they're demonstrating the "Antichrist's Mass."

[Loonman]

19. The thing is, Jews aren't assholes

Unlike the fascist Fundie fucks.