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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:32 PM
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A Short List Of The Stupid Untruths That Freepers Believe About Me.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 04:08 PM by DistressedAmerican
After my posting on vetwife's issues yesterday,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5494125

it was correctly pointed out by the freeps (yes, I know that name STARTED at freerepuglic but, Freeps are all the same crawling vermin to me regardless of where they post. Too bad these freeps chose the less popular freep site to post at) that I have never bothered to deny most of the things that they say about me out in freep land.

That is true enough.

So, for all the freeps who spew and those of you that want some more insight into how these folks operate (as if it is needed), here is a short list of things that freeps believe to be facts about me that are either outright lies started by one of their own or misunderstandings mostly based on half-assed googling of my info:

1) That I ever wrote the following text:

DistressedAmerican (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-25-05 04:14 PM
Original message
Just How Much "Not Blaming The Troops" Is TOO MUCH Not Blaming Them?
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 04:20 PM by DistressedAmerican

I fully believe that our troops are in a terrible situation. I also believe that many get immoral orders from their commanders.

But, I am really starting to wonder what the hell is up with troops themselves. Why are they so regularly killing innocents and babies . Why do they not refuse immoral and illegal orders?

I know after Vietnam everyone is leary of blaming the troops. But, lets face it folks. Someone is pulling the damn trigger. Someone is torturing our detainees.

Does anyone know (besides the Abu Ghraib 8) what individuals have been held accountable for illegal actions in this war?

I am beginning to think that we Liberal Democrats may be cutting these babykillers TOO MUCH SLACK.

Do not get me wrong, I do not advocate spitting on returning troops and calling them baby killers ,Ok, well maybe in the absence of Cameras (their emphasis) ,but we liberal Democrats need to call a spade a spade

But, who among us can sit here knowing about the torture of detainees and widespread death and destruction that has befallen many innocent Iraqis and not want to see some court martials and jail time for those that are out of line?


This ALTERED text of something I posted here was reposted in freepland on Aug 17 just prior to my trip to Crawford. The stuff about spitting on the troops and calling them baby killers was the bulk of the added material. At the time the freeps were worked up by a thread I posted with a graphic of the guy than ran over the crosses down there by a poster from grand rapids. They have repeated it over and over at the site like a mantra ever since to discredit me and justify my banning.

Here I do have an apology to make. I have accused a certain poster at that site of doing the rewrite. I was wrong about that so to "Q" I say I am sorry. In fact it was from poster "CC" in reply 333 who first did the post and therefore the most likely person lying to your whole site.

Note that the original post never had a link to the post that I DID write (which you can read here):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4188184

That is because it would have been immediately clear to anyone that read it that it had been changed. I have noted this before and I have been accused of editing the post to clean it up later. It is true that I edited the post for some typos WITHIN 1 HOUR OF POSTING AS RESTRICTED BY DU'S "EDITING PERIOD" ITSELF. The date stamp on the real post clearly indicates that the edit occurred well before the posting took place in freep land. This is easily verifiable to ANY FREEP that chooses to take a simple look at the links above and compare the real text to what was uncritically accepted at the time and since. It is regularly alleged it the reason I am banned there.

Should the mods like to check this all out and reinstate me, I'll be waiting.

2) That Distressed Sis and I were kicked out of Crawford's Camp Casey while I was on my trip down.

This too it easily debunked. I think it is actually based on simple misunderstanding blown up by endless repetition with no details. In their defense, they have provided a link to some local paper write up that mentions the incident that occurred while I was there where several socialists that were selling their paper were removed. it refers to some bad info that was posted here by Darby (I'm sure quite innocently).

What DID occur was this, at first there was some confusion about where we would be allowed to set up a tent for DUers to meet. There was a good amount of confusion among the coordinators about whether and where it would be placed. The space was limited and they were obviously interested in highlighting the five organizations that were on the ground sponsoring the event.

A few people of the various organizers did express concern that the message on our posters may be a bit "extreme" for the tone that they were trying to set or were off message (specifically the Crawford Coward poster). Another odd incident occurred when someone that had not read our signs confused us with freeps because we had flags. That ceased to be a problem pretty quickly as folks started pouring in with all manner of signage. We fit right in. They just did not want the stuff right next to the gold star mothers. Fair enough. In the end, the tent was placed and there was never any talk of us being "kicked out".

The tent did get set up, but we left signs off it and mainly stayed inside the big tent with the stage. It did become a little DU spot later on and it was left there to continue on working.

The link for my explanation of the confusion AT THE TIME is here (also date stamped):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4421044

Darby's information, which was picked up in the link that was posted by the freeps was based on partial info from a conversation that happened very early on as the confusion was ensuing. And more to the point, he NEVER said, nor did the article referenced that we were removed. The removal was a reference to the socialist workers party.

This is too damn long and most of you have stopped reading. If you are still with me, let me wrap with this.

I will not dignify the other charges about my sex life, or being a child molester or any of that gross, and pointless drivel beyond listing it among the various stupid untruths that the freeps choose, out of their hatered, to believe about me.

As to claims that rather than being a professor, I am a lowely TA. I have debunked that and many there seem to have gotten the up to date info on my teaching. I am techically classified as a "lecturer". That means non-tenure track. But, prof just thre same. They do hunt me down.

Now Freeps, if you really seek truth like you claim, check this all out. It is all laid out right here for you to follow up and confirm. Otherwise, you can dismiss this out of hand, keep repeating lies for the sake of discrediting me, par for the course.

It neither bothers me nor does it dissuade me from coming after you every chance I get.


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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:37 PM
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1. why bother...your distress is their joy. (nt)
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:38 PM
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2. Not Distress. A Truth Challenge.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:45 PM
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3. you know that carny that works the "dunkin' booth"...
you know...he heckles you, calls you a wimp, a sissy-armed-girly-boy, and all kinds of names and stuff just to get you to pay $2 to throw a couple of balls to try to dunk him in the water? All in a very annoying voice that can be heard for a hundred yards?

Well, that's who you are challenging. The truth doesn't matter. It matters not a whit to them whether the accusations are true or not...it only matters that they force a reaction from you.



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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:49 PM
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5. I agree!
"It matters not a whit to them whether the accusations are true or not...it only matters that they force a reaction from you."

Exactly.

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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:50 PM
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6. I Consider It A Dialog And I Participate In It. You Are By No Means
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 03:52 PM by DistressedAmerican
required to join me in it.

Sometimes crossing enemy lines is more interesting to me than preaching to the choir.

We each choose our own path in dealing with freeps. I like to challenge them. You should see the reaction that provokes.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 04:08 PM
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8. i see that i came across as attacking you...
sorry, that is not the case. peace.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 04:11 PM
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9. A Lot Of Folks React That Way To Dealing With Freeps.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 04:12 PM by DistressedAmerican
Most do not want to. Most also do not see the point.

No problem either way.

:toast:
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:45 PM
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4. I thought you were a professor
by the way you wrote this post, citing sources and explaining things. Too bad I can't sit in on one of your lectures-I'm sure they are very enlightening.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:51 PM
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7. this old dog believes
that it does not matter what you say, if they want to twist the words or the truth, they will and they manipulate. It is never the truth and with them it will never be the truth...
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 04:21 PM
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10. Might I Add, On A More Reasonable Human Note.
Condolences to the crew over there on their recent loss. While the person and I did our share of vicious battling, a loss is a loss. As you have rightly noted there regarding one of ours.

A hopeful sign that not everyone has gone over the edge.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:21 PM
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11. Well, I Guess I Got My Answer.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 05:40 PM by DistressedAmerican
Another asshat (this time a scrounging newbie looking to get some points with the lie brigade) recirculated the bogus version right alongside my debunking of the same. Of course no link again and "CC" had apparently showed up to stroke it publicly in front of his freep buddies (He was still dancing over how well his blatant lies caught on at his home site). He loves that he lies his ass off to them and they buy it.

There my friends is the right's approach to truth. Lie debunked? Just repeat it louder.

Good work freeps. Just as I expected.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:24 PM
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12. A Short List of Reasons Why You Shouldn't Give A Shit
1. They are morons

2. See #1
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:38 PM
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13. Feel Free To See # 6. It Still Applies.
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:01 PM
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14. Lie after lie to deflect from the truth....
personal attacks against you do not surprise me, sadly.

When did this type of behavior become preferable to truth and debate?

I'm sorry that you have been a target, DA. As you see, after spending so much time in having to defend yourself, actual issues and truths are left behind and forgotten and their mission is accomplished. They never have to address the truth.

I've been to a few RW sites. After pointing out lies and deceit by the Bush administration, the only question they ask is: "Are you gay?"

emdee :shrug:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:53 PM
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16. It Is Not A Defense Really. Who The Hell Cares What They Think.
But, they do spend a lot of time talking about the truth there and calling DUers liars. Since this is one of several easily debunkable lies that is now near myth about me there, I figured I would see how many, if any, really did want to get to some truth. I wanted to see how many would show some integrity and admit that what they had believed without question for months was simply WRONG.

Believe it or not a few do. Most would rather spew and smear. But, a few really do seem to.
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:35 PM
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17. Well, I'm glad to hear...
that a few admit to the truth. Even one would be more than I would have guessed!
emdee
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:50 PM
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15. One Last Update For Those Interested.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 06:59 PM by DistressedAmerican
I Posted this there and it was deleted after three people had viewed it. Apparently the mods at the site are not interested in busting one of their own that broke their rules or their site containing a shred of truth. So much for the free speach they claim they value. It is free if it is a smear based on lies anyway...
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" One Last Time For The Few Of You That Do Believe In Truth

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Despite debunking the "Baby Killer and Troop Spitter" nonsense (everyone's stated reason for my banning), some continue to repeat it ad nauseum although no one has ever provided a link to it in any form other than this (A rule here, I assume to cut down on shit like this):

http://www.democraticunderground.co...opic_id=4188184

The date stamp clearly shows, even on the original altered version posted by "CC" on Aug 17, that the post was last edited (for typos) 24 days earlier:

" Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 04:20 PM by DistressedAmerican"

Sorry to dissappoint you. But, I do not have any magical powers to change a date stamp on a post at DU. I am not even a mod.

In addition, it is a well known fact that DU does not allow editing of posts more than ONE HOUR OLD. If you try, you get this message:

"You can't edit this message because the editing period has expired. "

Again easily verifiable.

So, those of you that want to object to what I do on factual grounds, stop repeating the Troop stitting and baby killer bullshit that was sold to you hook line and sinker by CC. He broke rules here designed to protect the site's integrity. You should not repeat the lies he spewed in the process.

Have a nice day all.
DA

P.S. I tried to post this before and it disappeared. Hope it is not a dupe.

If I am an "Attention Whore", you are all guilty of "Attention Prostitution Solicitation"
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:40 PM
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18. These are the same folks who went after Andy
While I know this is bothersome, it would be best if you didn't dignify them with any kind of dialogue. And most important, don't read that crap as it will just unnecessarily raise your blood pressure and you are highly valuable to us in a living state.

And lastly, if you've pissed them off enough to spew all of these lies, you are doing a whole lot right.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:42 PM
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19. I would say 'Why respond to their filth'.. But then, the SWIFTBOATers
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 09:44 PM by alittlelark
came along last year.

I would now say DEFEND your position. These 'character assassin terrorists' need to be brought out to the light of day.... where the will whither like the undead that they are.

updated for freeper spelling:crazy:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:59 PM
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21. THANK YOU! Glad Someone Here Understands!
I am not irritated at these things. Nostly I laugh at them. I have just been at LU kicking the shit out of the same group of freaks on the issue. They have nothing to say of value. Their lies are debunked and they are flopping like fish on dry land.

Now many of us begged Kerry to stand up to the swifties. When you have the verifiable truth on your side, you should always make sure it is out there.

Fankly, they expect us to lie down and let them smear us. Does it matter if I am personally smeared? Of course not. I am just a guy with a website. But, when a liar spews, smack them down. That is what I say.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:03 AM
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22. Kerrry and his 'advisors' F*cked up....the lowest common denminator...
that's how they F*cked up... the lowest common denominator is now 'HEIL... Hailed' by the MSM.. So much more to say...
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:46 PM
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20. LOL...their greatest honor is the distribution of misinformation
and, as we all know, misinformation is the foundation for an informed free nation.
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:42 AM
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23. Teach me
where and how I can post to enrage some of these Freeper bastards. I'll paint their asses a bright shade of red and relish ever minute of it!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:47 AM
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25. Check Your PM's
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:43 AM
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24. WOW! Victory. Finally Made The Freeps That Met Me At LU Admit It Was A
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 02:45 AM by DistressedAmerican
bullshit edited version of what I posted.

In the process I realized the "CC" was not the first to post it. I apologize, His posting was the first I saw it. I assumed incorrectly that it was the first post. In fact it looks like it was edited by another member there who now has his own actions to account for,

So for those of you that think calling freeps on lies is pointless, I jsut did and they accpeted the truth (took 4 hours) but, got it done.

Let this be a lesson to all of you. When lies are spread, do not just sit there and let them get repeated, knock down the door and school em. Kerry should have. He may have had the big job right now.

Now, let's see if the mods will acknowledge this and reinstate me as this post is supposedly the reason they banned me. Seems like the right thing to do since, it is now proven that i did not write the things they banned me for. Now that would be impressive!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:36 AM
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26. Kick For The Skeptics About Talking To Freeps.
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