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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:13 AM
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War Crimes: The Posse Gathers1
This appeared in my mailbox because of a news subscription for the DSM. It was hard to choose what to post here. You really need to read the whole article.




War Crimes: The Posse Gathers1


By Jeremy Brecher and Brendan Smith | December 2, 2005
Editor: John Gershman, IRC

Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org


Diverse forces are assembling to bring Bush administration officials to account for war crimes. Cindy Sheehan, Gold Star Mother for Peace, insists: “We cannot have these people pardoned. They need to be tried on war crimes and go to jail.” 2 Paul Craig Roberts, Hoover Institution senior fellow and assistant secretary of the treasury under Ronald Reagan, charges Bush with “lies and an illegal war of aggression, with outing CIA agents, with war crimes against Iraqi civilians, with the horrors of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture centers” and calls for the president's impeachment. 3 Anne-Marie Slaughter, dean of the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton and former president of the American Society of International Law, declares: “These policies make a mockery of our claim to stand for the rule of law. should be marching on Washington to reject inhumane techniques carried out in our name.” 4

Can such disparate forces as the peace movement, conservative advocates of the rule of law, and human rights advocates join to halt high government officials demonstrably engaged in criminal enterprise? Can they reach out and appeal to the deep but vacillating commitment of the American people to the national and international rule of law? Or will the Bush administration divide the posse and retain for itself the mantle of defender of international law and the U.S. Constitution?

War Crimes—It's Not Just Torture


As Allied armies advanced into Germany, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill declared captured Nazi leaders outlaws subject to summary execution. But U.S. President Harry Truman, a former small-town judge, insisted instead on formal trials with “notification to the accused of the charge, the right to be heard, and to call witnesses in his defense.” The result was the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal and the start of a revolution that, in U.S. Justice Robert Jackson's words, replaced a “system of international lawlessness” with one that made “statesmen responsible to law.” It is this revolution that may be catching up with the administration of George W. Bush.

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Several overlapping strands have coalesced into a body of law regarding war crimes. One is the prohibition on aggressive war. As the Nuremberg Tribunal put it, “To initiate a war of aggression” is “ the supreme international crime.” A second strand is humanitarian law, which protects both combatants and civilians from unnecessary harm during war. The devastation associated with World War II led to the recognition of “crimes against humanity,” which involve acts of violence against a persecuted group. War crimes were codified in the four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and have been further developed in subsequent protocols and agreements.

The Nuremberg Tribunal was criticized on the grounds that it represented not impartial justice but “victor's justice,” that it provided impunity for the bombing of civilians and other heinous acts committed by the victors, and that it prosecuted people “ex post facto” for acts that had not been declared crimes when they were committed. These charges had considerable justification. But today there is a body of national and international law that clearly defines war crimes and a set of procedures for applying them comparable to the procedures used to judge other crimes. Those are the standards by which allegations of American war crimes must be judged.

Law must—and the international law of war crimes now does—provide a single standard of judgment that can be applied without discrimination to different cases. If an act is a war crime, then it is a war crime whether it is perpetrated by Saddam Hussein or by George Bush.

American War Crimes in Iraq and Beyond


The charge that the U.S. attack on Iraq was a war crime was raised even before the war began. More than 1,000 law professors and U.S. legal institutions organized in opposition to the U.S. war crime of launching an “aggressive war in violation of the UN Charter” against Iraq. Violation of international law was also a central theme in worldwide demonstrations against the war. The attack on the illegality of the war has been revived by the leak of the Downing Street memo; 130 members of Congress joined Rep. John Conyers in demanding that the Bush administration come clean about the invasion—supported by a half million citizen signatures gathered in barely a week. “Scootergate” is fundamentally about the cover-up of White House lies justifying the war.


More: http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/2970
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:26 AM
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1. Kicked and recommended, absolutely.
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:55 PM
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22. Compelling video evidence of more than one
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 06:00 PM by dutchdemocrat
Compelling video evidence of more than one War Crime is available at

www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/

And I have more unpublished still. Some of the miltary are making 'trophy' videos and they are leaking.

On Edit. This are individual acts committed by US military, not the brass obviously. But the are indicative of the absolute senseless cruelty of war.
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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:30 AM
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2. Geneva
Could someone kindly explain to me why they (Bushco, etc) claim this war is not under the Geneva Convention? That makes no sense.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:27 AM
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7. Because it's not a "war"?
Only Congress can declare war. Shit, I might be wrong about that also.

I'm having a hard time keeping up with it all, too.

Let's hope we aren't all senior citizens by the time these criminals are in the Hague. But the Hague only takes certain cases. Nothing is simple in this quamire of evil goons. This was 30 years in the planning.
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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:41 AM
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8. Sr citizens
More thanlikely you are correct about that. But I'll be fine with an impeachment while we wait.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:00 AM
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28. K&R
Criminal atrocities.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:33 AM
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3. Thanks for posting, MelissaB
We need to keep the pressure on from all angles.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:24 AM
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4. This Quote Bears Repeating
After being convicted for pouring his own blood on a Lansing, NY military recruitment center, war protestor Peter DeMott declared the real crime to be that “our government conspired against the American people and lied us into an illegal and immoral war. The task is now upon us all to better understand the criminality of our government's aggression and, as citizens, to act accordingly to demand that our government adheres to international law."


It is our duty as citizens of this nation to do what we can.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:37 AM
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5. A lot more people need to see this n/t
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SkiGuy Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:26 PM
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11. n/t?
Newbie question. What does n/t mean?
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:06 PM
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17. N/T
except for this
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:48 PM
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14. It means no text
Some folks like to put it into their subject line. Why, I'll never understand.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:08 PM
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20. it's in case someone is viewing a thread
with just the subjects showing. Which I sometimes do if it's a really long thread -- especially if I'm using a dial-up connection. Then I just view the subjects and click on those that look interesting. If someone's entire thought was in the subject line, putting n/t there lets people know not to click because there's no further message.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:41 AM
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6. Checks and Balances
...snip

Checks and Balances


There are four obvious objectives for a movement against U.S. war crimes:

Halt the crimes. This requires withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq, closing the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, releasing or immediately putting on trial all captives, and shutting down U.S.-controlled death squads all over the world.

Bring war criminals to justice. Impunity breeds crime. The mechanisms for investigation, prosecution, and trial of criminals must be applied to anyone—from the president on down—who is responsible for war crimes. Every agency charged with investigating governmental crimes must end its paralysis and perform its duties. Those responsibilities should include congressional committee hearings on war crimes, a Sept. 11-style investigative commission, appointment of a special prosecutor, and an in-depth congressional investigation into whether impeachable offences have been committed.

Draw the lessons. Unchecked presidential authority and flouting of international law led the United States to a national catastrophe in Vietnam , but the obvious lessons were deliberately obscured or denied. We are paying the price today. Only an extensive and extended public confrontation with the implications of U.S. war crimes can lay the basis for averting similar catastrophes in the future.

Establish barriers to future war crimes. The Bush administration's war crimes were made possible by the dismantling of legal and constitutional barriers to government secrecy, deceit, manipulation, and lawlessness. Their perpetuation has been enhanced by the dismantling of legal restrictions on presidential authority and the seduction or intimidation of those whose duty it is to enforce such restrictions. The U.S. democratic heritage and recent experiences of many countries in eliminating dictatorships point to specific institutional arrangements—from independent prosecutors to battlefield legal supervision and from freedom-of-information laws to international courts empowered to hear war crimes charges—that can be effective in preventing war crimes in the future.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:43 AM
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9. I've been arguing this since before the IWR, which, btw...
...was little more than an authorization to commit crimes against humanity, i.e. an illegal act in and of itself. Likewise, everyone who has participated in the war against Iraq is a war criminal, because the war itself is the fundamental crime. Thanks MelissaB for helping to keep this alive!
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:24 PM
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10. kick
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:38 PM
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12. Impeach. Indict. Imprison.
and dont forget his enablers.

Prison for all of them.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:00 PM
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15. Arrest them at one of their christmas parties!
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:43 PM
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13. I feel there is hope!
Thanks for this article!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:23 PM
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16. Chimpanzee Charged With Crimes Against Humanity...
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 01:23 PM by DistressedAmerican
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:16 PM
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18. The whole cabal should be tried (in absentia) for crimes against humanity
in The Hague, and sentenced to life imprisonment (there is no death penalty, I think), so they will, at least, be prohibited from leaving the U.S.
It breaks my heart that this country is a willing host to the fourth reich.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:03 PM
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19. The Congress' Joint Resolution on Iraq was unconstitutional !
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 04:03 PM by EVDebs
Congress abdicated its authority ('as he determines') and the War Powers Act of '73 was violated with false pretenses for war, not the truthful 'situations' and 'circumstances' the law requires.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1962960&mesg_id=1964165
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:54 PM
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21. Just Planning War of Aggression IS A War Crime & K/R
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:31 PM
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24. Understandinglife, I thought of you as I read this article the first time.
Thanks for all you do here. :hi:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:30 PM
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27. Thank you! MelissaB, and, I just posted a link to your thread, here:
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 06:25 PM
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23. Bush is a criminal
The illegal invasion of Iraq has brought shame to us as a nation. We have lost all rights to ever preach to another country about human rights, when under the current idiot in the White House, we are breaking laws and treaties every day. I never expected to see the day when the administration would OPENLY threaten to veto a bill that prohibits torture. Torture...is that consistent with the moral values that we have been told the conservatives hold dear?

He has broken the law in other ways, and caused enormous harm to our country. A major U.S. city, New Orleans, was left to die; he grabbed the spotlight and promised to help, but we know he won't. I would dearly love to see him, Cheney, and all of the other administration officials led away in shackles, and convicted of war crimes.

I believe that is the only way to ever restore our reputation in the international community. We must be willing to admit the president is a criminal, and take steps to bring him to trial.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:11 PM
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25. The entire *family
have been filthy, lying, treasonous criminals FOR GENERATIONS...
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:00 PM
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26. They all need to be locked in a dank castle dungeon
and the keys tossed into a deep moat or else simply melted!! Never let any of them out again! A demon's brood indeed.
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