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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:50 AM Original message |
did you know that Lincoln slept in the same bed with a guy for 4 years? |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. no. do tell! |
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toymachines (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. No kidding |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
3. Mary Todd Lincoln, you mean? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. She didn't always have Todd in her name. n/t |
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tsetaerg (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. really what was her maiden name by chance |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. No, I guess there were a few moments after birth before her father |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. What? n/t |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. it was a really bad attempt at humor. n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. Yes, it is pretty well known |
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tsetaerg (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. she might be |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. hehe. Do you really think he was gay? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. If you read his early poetry and his letters to Joshua Speed, you really |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. I disagree ... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Interesting stuff, I had no idea. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 05:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. If you want really intimate ... |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
66. Either way I think its cool. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. The poem about the two men marrying? That surely was not typical |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:51 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. If that poem is genuine ... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. You need to click on that link I provided upthread, I am not misinformed |
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long_green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. The example that pops into my head |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:58 AM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Yep...But It Sure Got A Rise Out Here |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. The same applies to Eleanor Roosevelt's letters |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Not really--the difference is, no matter what Eleanor's orientation, she |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. "I would love to kiss you on that little mole above your lip." |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Dupe |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Hysterical ... |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
47. I think the notion that Lincoln had a homosexual affair has been debunked |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Actually, I don't think it has been either debunked or decisively proven |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. You apparently know a lot more about this than I. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. The Sandburg work is said to be the classic WRT him. |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Thanks! |
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The_Mule (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I can field that one. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. It isn't fascination, it's POLITICS...and the ironic juxtaposition between |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. I'm with you MADem |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. What's fascinating to me is factual stuff about historical figures. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. You have to think he had enough room when he became President though |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
7. No, do tell |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
8. I guess Carl Sandburg missed that! |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Apparently not |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Oh Fuck!! |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
11. Who...his brother? |
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Susan43 (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:09 AM Response to Original message |
12. Yes |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. and they probably smelled pretty "reeky" too.. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Heh. |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Have you a link for these poems? . . . |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Sure... |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:45 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Thank you. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Here's a selected quote. |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. The poem ... |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Why am I picturing... |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
18. Yes |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
20. Lends a whole new meaning... |
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Freedomfried (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
22. Repressed homosexuality seems to be a Republican trademark today |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
25. Thus...The Log Cabin Republican's |
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tirechewer (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:11 AM Response to Original message |
31. No... |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
33. Yes, and his name was Gary Bauer |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
40. Jeff Gannon's Great Great Grandfather? |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
41. Poverty sucks |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
42. A somewhat selective interpretation of fact... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:04 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Well, considering how homoerotic Moby Dick is, and how gay Melville was, |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I forgot we are now all using a post modern lens... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. You don't have to be particularly po-mo (or homo) to see homoreoticism |
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MrMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. What about Jack London? |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
46. A lot of people did that in those days it don't mean nothing |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
49. In answer to the entire thread - |
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bertha katzenengel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
52. So what? |
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bertha katzenengel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
53. So what? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. Yes, much discussion on this, apparently it wasn't unusual in 19th |
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kweerwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
62. I have some issues with Tripp's book ... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
67. Yeah. So what? Who cares? What's the point?? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. The point is to post and see how many people will reply |
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MrMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
69. What was the prevailing attitude towards homosexuality |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
71. Not this crap again |
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liontamer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
72. yes |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
74. Aren't you just shocked? Unaware Americans lead the world being "shocked" |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-05 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
76. Locking. |
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