I'm fed up: A Beam Me Up Rant

[Beam Me Up]

:rant:
I'm fed up.

I'm fed up with all the idiot "news" about Bush. I'm fed up with the "red white and blue" bullshit of America. I'm fed up with all the pretenses and ignorance masquerading as "Christianity". I'm fed up with Republicans and Democrats who squabble over whose to blame for what. I'm fed up with the politics of divisiveness and greed. I'm fed up with the nightmare of living in a empire that prefers its mediocre illusions of inflated grandeur to the reality that it has been and continues to rob the earth of its natural resources and rape its indigenous peoples, denying them their independence and common dignity, all to sustain a bloated and ever increasing consumerism.

There is no war on terrorism. It is a lie. Everything about the Bush pResidency is a lie from the selection of 2000 to the present day. The 9/11 events were orchestrated from within the highest levels of our national security state apparatus: Steel and concrete buildings do NOT turn to powder without massive amounts of heat energy from well-timed explosives. And yes, there is evidence. TONS of it and eye witness testimony to boot. Everything that has followed from the lie of 9/11 is merely and extension of it--including the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the tens of thousands of dead in its wake.

I can't stand it any more. I have no patience for people who can not see the truth: The United States of America is an OCCUPIED NATION. Our government and its national security infrastructure have been taken over by a cabal of fascist oligarchs whose sole aim is to create the social, political and economic conditions necessary for the American people to accept the suspension of Constitution and substituting in its place a police state with a 'faith based' theocracy at its helm. They have had this agenda for decades and they are at a point where they can contemptuously emasculate our nation by placing at its healm an utter buffoon whose sole purpose is to remain the focus of either adoration or scorn of the public (they don't care which) while the real business of rigging elections, masterminding fake terrorism and instigating no-bid contracts on phoney wars goes on just barely beneath the surface of a bought and paid for corporate owned news media.

I can't stand it any more. We are not living in a "nation" we are living in a society ruled by criminals of the highest order. Our society has been hijacked and is being flown directly into a future that most likely will contain at least one thermonuclear event inside our borders for the purpose of justifying the suspension of the Constitution and the use of a first strike nuclear option against any nation or people these maniacs identify as a threat to THEM and their hegemony. They have everyone in this country and many people around the world terrified of what they will do next.

I say ENOUGH. I've had it. My life, your life and the lives of everyone we know and love are in danger. This is not 'politics as usual' and has not been for over 5 years! I can no longer abide 'civil' conversation about matters that are EXTREME. The fate of our nation, the fate of the world, the fate of humanity depends upon what WE do, right here, right now.

As far as I'm concerned, until the people of the United States of America rise up against their oppression and reclaim their rightful Republic, they are little more than media blinded sheep worthy of no respect what so ever.

PLEASE someone, anyone, BEAM ME UP!
:banghead:

[MADem]

1. Preach brother, preach!!!!! n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. speechless

[madeline_con]

3. You're preaching to the choir, but...

I voted it for the greatest page just because it's so damn on the money!!! :kick:

[indepat]

75. Hits many nails on the head: everything this cabal does is a part of

the whole.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

4. Your rant highlighted my biggest fears.

I hope to God you are completely wrong...but I don't think you are.

Nice writing.

[Beam Me Up]

7. Granny, have you read this?

...knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

Paranoid Shift

[Beam Me Up]

23. Too late to edit, here is the correct link:

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_203.shtml

Apparently they've changed their online architecture.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

31. Thanks. I will read it.

[babylonsister]

5. Can I get beamed up with you? Excellent!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[OneBlueSky]

6. "Everything that has followed from the lie of 9/11 is merely . . .

an extension of it" . . .

how true . . . but every time I try to press this point, people's eyes glaze over . . . most simply cannot comprehend, much less accept, that elements of our own government would participate in such a heinous act . . . neither can they comprehend nor accept that US elections were actually stolen . . . for the most part, they still get their information from the corporate media, and if it's not on CBS News, it isn't true . . .

tis a scary time we live in . . .

[MiniMandaRuth]

8. Amen.

I know what you're saying.

What scary, scary, scary times we live in. Next thing we know, the government is going to be regulating when and what we eat.

[lonestarnot]

10. How many billion did bushitler throw at the bird flu pandemic crap?

[MiniMandaRuth]

11. No idea.

[lonestarnot]

17. Think 10B

[Dunvegan]

9. If we do have an orchestrated nuclear event in the US...

...look for it to be in one of the bluest-of-the-blue cities.

Living in San Francisco (home of Coit Tower, O'Reilly's personal-fave target) leaves me feeling like I'm possibly living at "Ground Zero Redux."

[Beam Me Up]

14. I'm in Oakland, and I totally concur.

I've often thought that's why they put Arnie in as our governor. When 'it' happens, he can fly around in a black helicopter with black wrap around sunglasses looking all heroic, pResidential and shit. There's always a back list of "pResidential" potentials. They just have to be willing to look the part and play the game--which means only being on the ball enough to know which covert moves are orchestrated by your backers. Of course, you'd think they'd have to do a Constitutional amendment for him (the difficult they do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer, so we're told) but, then again, if there's a thermonuclear event with hundreds of thousands dead and government and media claiming it is an "attack" by ____________(fill in the blank), maybe they won't NEED an amendment. Maybe it'll be by popular media mediated demand or something.

I think I'm gona :puke:

[Greyhound]

12. and that makes 5. The problem with the sheeple rising up is two-fold

First, they are sheep. It is not in a sheep's nature to rise up, resist. Secondly, if they are not really sheep (goats?), and they do rise up, it will only serve to give the cabal the excuse they need to enact the plans they have made to round up the dissenters.
I don't know what can be done at this point. I think many of us believe that if we just get the
dems back in power, they will fix it, I don't think so. While we have been amazed and distracted by * and his antics, the real powers have been busy for almost 6 years passing laws. Once enacted, laws cannot just be changed, there are no do-overs in politics, we are stuck with the situation as is for the foreseeable future, and even if there are enough patriotic Democrats elected to try to repeal the laws, don't forget the SCOTUS we and our children will have imposed on us for the next 20, maybe 40 years.
:banghead:

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. Beam Me Up too!

Great rant! :applause: Why the hell can't some people, a lot of people apparently, see bushco for what they are, pure evil and greed? :banghead:

[Solly Mack]

15. Sitting with the choir

:)

righteous rant!

[Gregorian]

16. We could have had some real health care for $400 billion.

It's tough. And it's not new. It goes on around the world, wherever greedy, careless people get in power. My biggest fear is that we now may need a military more than we ever needed one before, due to our perception in the world. And in fact, that may have been one of the planned outcomes of the Bush administration. We're in a self-aggrivating situation that we must break out of. We need to educate our people, and we need to remove corporations from the media. Then we can begin to turn into the country that we were intended to be in the first place.


(One thing I am beginning to disagree with is the WTC demolition theory. As an engineer, and having studied the architecture of the buildings, I can explain how the buildings fell. Don't jump to conclusions on that. HOWEVER, that has nothing to do with ignoring warnings, and letting it happen. It's basically the same thing, with or without timed explosives as a way to bring it down. AND, I would not rule out the possibility that it happened that way. I just am not willing to jump to that conclusion, until proven.)

[Beam Me Up]

18. Reply:

I'm not an engineer or a scientist. I don't have a clue. However, I have a difficult time believing that buildings turn to dust and display pyroclastic flows as a result of gravity fall (at free fall speed, no less). If you are interested you can download a 19.5 MB AVI file discussing this matter
HERE (right click and save source).

This is from a 655 MB DVD of eyewitness video that can be downloaded HERE. On this video taken from the New Jersey side of the harbor, you can clearly hear the pre-demolition sub surface explosions. These are analyzed with time delays due to distance removed.

I do not know what happened and don't claim to. However, whatever the truth may be, it clearly is not what we've been told. All we want is a THOROUGH examination of the remaining evidence by non-partisan experts we can TRUST. Do you think we'll ever get that? And why shouldn't we get it?

[Gregorian]

60. Thanks. Those are big files. I've been searching.

I spent a lot of time going over videos. I'm still looking for something that I can watch that I can also download. I'll give your links a try.
I want to watch and give my own analysis. I'm very good at this kind of thing. Right now, when I come from my nonconspiracy side, I have a clear idea as to what happened. And it explains the miscellaneous "explosions" that are seen, and the demolition style falling of the buildings.

I have to say that I tend toward conspiracy. But after four years of thinking that way, I want to go back to the beginning and rethink it. I'm of a mind right now that there was no planting of explosives in those buildings. That's actually quite far fetched in many ways. Not impossible, and not unexpected from this group of thugs. But highly doubtful, and something I want to divorce from my thinking as I look closer at what else might have happened.

[Beam Me Up]

70. If you are on a Mac, you may need a freeware program called "VLC"

(found on VersionTracker.com) to view the AVI files.

The big one, I think, is worth watching. Saying that, I don't mean I agree with everything in it but it does seem to me to be sincere and it offers a close analysis of one particular video. The videographer is also presenting his point of view AS a witness. There are some things presented of which I remain skeptical but that is ok. All in all, I'm glad I watched it as it gave me a lot to think about.

[TrogL]

72. You are not an engineer or scientist

So stop blathering conspiracy theories about stuff you don't understand.

You're weakening the rest of your argument.

[Beam Me Up]

83. Are you an engineer or scientist?

The Bush administration has lied to us about everything. Everything. Why should we believe anything they have to say about 9/11 when they have presented less evidence to support their particular theory of the conspiracy (9/11 WAS a conspiracy, whatever the truth may be) than they did about Iraq having WMD?

Can you explain how a steel and concrete building can turn to fine dust particles, exhibiting pyroclastic flows as found in volcanos, at free-fall speed without the added energy of explosives? The towers fell in +/- 10 seconds. That is, about ten floors a second, expelling large steel members up to 600 feet radius as they went down. Then, too, there are the reports and recordings of explosions taking place sub-surface just prior to the collapses. See the links in above post. Finally there is the documented fact that very hot, sometimes described as 'molten' steel continued to emit heat sub surface for up to six weeks after 9/11. One has to account for this incredible energy.

Granted, there are some absurd 'conspiracy theories' out there. That doesn't lessen the fact that there are unique observable phenomena in this instance that begs for serious inquiry and explanation. I may not be an engineer or a scientist but I'm not stupid. On 9/11 three buildings collapsed in a way that no building has collapsed before or since, EXCEPT through carefully planned demolition.







"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." -J. Edgar Hoover

"Apparently, 'conspiracy stuff' is now shorthand for unspeakable truth."- Gore Vidal

[TrogL]

87. Learn what a pyroclastic flow is

The gas is usually at a temperature of 100-800 degrees Celsius (from the article)

Nobody at ground zero complained about hot ash.

very hot, sometimes described as 'molten' steel continued to emit heat sub surface for up to six weeks after 9/11. One has to account for this incredible energy

You mean besides the fire that burned out of control for hours?

[Beam Me Up]

89. I prefer not to debate this kind of thing in the GD forum.

I've already admitted that I am not a scientist or an engineer (a question I asked you but you chose to ignore). There is a 9/11 forum where this sort of thing gets debated endlessly often by people much more knowledgeable than I.

I will point out, however, that "usually" is not "always," that in the wikipedia article what is being referred to are pyroclastic flows resulting from volcanic eruptions, not explosives. "Cold" pyroclastic surges arising under certain conditions are also mentioned.

As for your other question, no, I'm not referring to the fire that burned "out of control for hours." Check your facts. How long was it from impact to the collapse of the first tower? We have photographs of relatively uninjured survivors looking out from the holes left by the aircraft from within the WTC towers. The black smoke pouring out of the towers is an indication of a fire that is lessening, not gaining in strength.

No, what I'm referring to is the 1,500+ degree temperatures that continued to be emitted from the base of the towers, sub-surface, for weeks after 9/11. Perhaps you would be interested in physicist Steven E. Jones' (Department of Physics and Astronomy
Brigham Young University) paper on this subject:

(excerpt)

There are several published observations of molten metal in the basements of all three buildings, WTC 1, 2 (“Twin Towers”) and 7. For example, Dr. Keith Eaton toured Ground Zero and stated in The Structural Engineer,

‘They showed us many fascinating slides’ continued, ‘ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster’. (Structural Engineer, September 3, 2002, p. 6; emphasis added.)

The observation of molten metal at Ground Zero was emphasized publicly by Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center Towers, who reported that “As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.” (Williams, 2001, p. 3; emphasis added.)

Sarah Atlas was part of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue and was one of the first on the scene at Ground Zero with her canine partner Anna. She reported in Penn Arts and Sciences, summer 2002,

‘Nobody's going to be alive.' Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet. (Penn, 2002; emphasis added.)

Dr. Allison Geyh was one of a team of public health investigators from Johns Hopkins who visited the WTC site after 9-11. She reported in the Late Fall 2001 issue of Magazine of Johns Hopkins Public Health, "In some pockets now being uncovered they are finding molten steel.” Further information on the subject is available at http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=11663.

A video clip provides eye-witness evidence regarding this metal at ground zero: http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/red_hot_ground_zero_low_quality.wmv . The observer notes that the observed surface of this metal is still reddish-orange some six weeks after 9-11. This implies a large quantity of a metal with fairly low heat conductivity and a relatively large heat capacity even in an underground location. Like magma in a volcanic cone, such metal can remain hot and molten for a long time -- once the metal is sufficiently hot to melt in large quantities and then kept in an underground location.

Thus, molten metal was repeatedly observed and formally reported in the rubble piles of the WTC Towers and WTC 7, metal that looked like molten steel. Scientific analysis, using for example X-ray fluorescence, would be needed to ascertain the actual composition of the molten metal.

I maintain that these observations are consistent with the use of the high-temperature thermite reaction or some variation thereof, used to cut or demolish steel. Thermite is a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum powder. The end products of the thermite reaction are aluminum oxide and molten iron. So the thermite reaction generates molten iron directly, and is hot enough to melt and even evaporate steel which it contacts while reacting. Use of sulfur in conjunction with the thermite should accelerate the destructive effect on steel, and sulfidation of structural steel was indeed observed in some of the few recovered members from the WTC rubble. (See http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/index.html.) On the other hand, falling buildings (absent explosives) have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal. The government reports admit that the building fires were insufficient to melt steel beams -- then where did the molten metal come from? Metals expert Dr. Frank Gayle (working with NIST) stated:

Your gut reaction would be the jet fuel is what made the fire so very intense, a lot of people figured that's what melted the steel. Indeed it did not, the steel did not melt.
(Field, 2005; emphasis added.)

None of the official reports tackles this mystery. Yet this is evidently a significant clue to what caused the Towers and WTC 7 to collapse. So I would very much like to see an analysis of the elemental composition of the metal, and could do this myself if a small sample were made available according to scientific courtesy. Any reader who knows of chemical analyses or even photographs of this molten metal found below the rubble piles of WTC 1, 2 and 7 is invited to speak out and contact the author. This could lead to an experiment crucis.

Edit: typo, spelling

[TrogL]

90. then why did you start it?

...and why are you quoting a "scientist" from Brigham Young University??

[pberq]

81. Amen to your original post! - nominated

Regarding 9/11 - as Michael Ruppert reiminds us in "Crossing the Rubicon", it is not necessary to get into discussions that require expert witnesses. Rather, simply by examining public statements by admin officials, MSM media reports, and government documents, it is possible to show at the very least that there is a giant government coverup of what happened on 9/11.

[porphyrian]

19. You first.

I'm right with you up until it's me getting shot trying to stand up to these guys. Color me a coward, but I've still got shit to lose. Not much, but enough.

[Beam Me Up]

20. We don't have to get shot or bombed or anything else.

What we must do, however, is educate ourselves and everyone we know about what is happening around us. And we have to stop letting ourselves be distracted by the media, giving our precious time and attention to things that will get us nowhere.

The second thing we need is an ALTERNATIVE to this madness. And I believe those alternatives do exist. But we're going to have to link arms with one another in this country and with other people around the world and say enough is enough on a global basis. After all, they only have the power we give them.

It won't be easy but it must be done: Humanity must awaken from its sleep and take control of its own destiny WITHOUT leadership that is corrupt or corruptible. People laugh and say it is impossible. Well, you know what, most of the things we take for granted every day were once thought to be impossible.

I believe a new world IS possible--but we have to begin living it right here, right now.

[porphyrian]

29. I think you're missing my point.

And I don't want to ruin your optimism, not that I will, because we need that. What I'm saying is that the corrupt who are in power are going to use any means at their disposal to stop any effective movement we manage to drum up, and they have set in place policy that will allow them to address any of us as terrorists and shoot us dead on the spot. Now, if we can get enough people to stand up at once and move on them, they can't shoot us all. But, I think it's naive to think they aren't itching to shoot us, and that they won't do it.

[Beam Me Up]

35. I'm sure they'd like nothing better than to have an excuse to eliminate

'Liberals,' 'the Left,' or any other conceivable opposition permanently, and the more publicly the better.

But this puts everything in a whole new perspective, doesn't it? Violence--at least as it has been defined heretofore--is no longer a viable option. Anyone who advocates it is being controlled by those who would benefit most from its use*. What a most remarkable OPPORTUNITY is being presented to us right here at this juncture of human history. For the first time ever, so far as I can fathom, the citizens of the United States and, by extension, the whole of humanity is being given an ultimatom: Either CREATIVELY throw off the conceptual bondage that has kept us ensnared in lies for the last several thousand years and embrace a truly New Vision of what is possible for humanity or suffer the consequences of abject, fascist Totalitarianism for the foreseeable future.

What a choice, eh?

The question is, how are we going to pull this off? I think the means are right here within our grasp and the biggest impediment is our unwillingness to believe anything worthwhile is possible. Nothing is possible if we do not BELIEVE it is possible.

HEY, folks, social realities are not 'givens' they are CREATIONS! We are SO MUCH MORE than consumers of this insane 'reality' the PNACers and those hiding behind them have dreamed up. We have SO MUCH MORE potential. We out number them millions to one.

The fundamental secret to undermining any deception is NOT ALLOWING OUR ATTENTIONT TO BE DEFLECTED. We need to concentrate all our energy in one direction and PUSH! P U S H!

Yes, I'm being optimistic. The alternative is no alternative.

(*My motto: who ever controls your perception of reality, controls you. That is, one will make decisions and act based upon what one believe to be true. If one believes 19 Muslim Jihadists hijacked commercial airliners and flew them into buildings on 9/11, then one's reasoning and decisions will naturally be strongly influenced if not outright determined by that belief. Manipulation is the function of deception.)

[porphyrian]

38. I don't disagree with you, but I make two points.

One, the others within the system who do believe their lies AND support them will be violent. We can choose to avoid violence, but violence will happen, as it is happening now. When it is our numbers that are on the receiving end of it, it will be difficult to maintain an active non-violent movement as some of us leave for safety and others get angry and resort to violence, thus perpetuating the cycle.

Two, while I love your idea, optimism and passion, we still have no plan, no leadership and no backup plan (which I include separately quite intentionally). Maybe we don't need them, but I wouldn't put money on it. While I'm not suggesting we sit around like the People's Front of Judea voting on whether or not to vote to take action, I think we ignore the enemy's organization, however flawed, at our peril.

[Beam Me Up]

41. Good points, all.

You speak as someone who has, perhaps, been trained in military affairs. If that is true, good for you. I speak as a poet and an artist and someone who believes--contemporary evidence to the contrary--in the implacability of the human heart and spirit.

To me, the events of 9/11 are on the level of myth--that is to say, they are on the scale of events that go down through history for hundreds if not thousands of years. And what places this event on that scale is not the loss of life and property--for certainly far greater events of this nature have occured, Hiroshima, the fire bombing of Dresden to name but two. What places 9/11 on a mythical scale is its inherent duplicity: The fact that, as it has been presented, it is a LIE of mythical proportions established as a "psychic driving" mechanism in our society and throughout the world.

And yet, all in all, it is a very bad lie. A very unconvincing one if one but looks.

One of the most important things we can do is help expose this lie for what it is. And it doesn't cost us much except a willingness to be called "conspiracy theorists" or what have you. The evidence that something is amiss is everywhere to be found but what is needed is that it be broadcast and rebroadcast--to our friends, family, whoever will listen. We have the means to do this, at least for now.

Of course that isn't going to be the end of the matter, it is only the beginning. Another thing we need to do, and by "we" I mean citizens such as ourselves NOT relying upon governmental 'leaders' or intermediaries, is to begin to engage in dialogue with other people outside of our own communities, indeed, outside of our own country. We need to tell them we are here and that we know what is going on. As LunaC has suggested, this completely changes our understanding of who and what WE are.

Will they try to stop us if we are in any way effective? Of course! Will they succeed in doing so--well that is the big question isn't it? Certainly they have succeeded thus far and will continue to do so so long as we remain silent. But I still believe in 'magic,' I still believe that the world of lies can be consumed by the fire of truth and transformed in to a future worth living. I believe that we can pay attention in a special way that has power and influence beyond the range of our own acknowledged limitations. Isn't this what the history of genuine heroes teaches us?

What's your plan?

[porphyrian]

56. Planning isn't my strong point.

It's funny that I come across as someone with military training, but I'm not criticizing your analysis. Most of my training is self-taught, and most of that through simulation, trial and error. I'm actually closer to an artist than a soldier, though I try not to favor one hemisphere of my brain over the other.

If I were even an adequate planner, I'd be in a much better position than I am today. I've endured a strange combination of over- and lack of confidence through most of my life, and now I'm playing a lot of catch-up to fill the gaps. I'm not trying to whine, just 'splaining.

As you've said, controlling peoples' perceptions controls peoples' lives. As Cronenberg implies in his movie Videodrome, perception is reality. We are the herd of our keepers and we do not roam free. We are driven along neon-guilded chutes with subliminal Muzak towards our eventual demise, and we generate profit for our keepers the entire way. Should someone want to control our conversation, the audience is already captive. The television monitors are already in place. One only need exert the power, and that power is green.

Magicians lie to their audience in every performance, yet they always have a paying audience. People want to be deceived on some level. No one really thinks the lady is being sawed in half or that the Statue of Liberty disappeared, yet their senses tell them something different. There is something entertaining about the dissonance between what we know and what we perceive. Something comfortable even.

There are some things that are too ugly to face. One way to tell an effective lie is to make the truth too horrible to believe. Many people won't accept a horrible truth over a comfortable lie. Their brains won't allow them to believe it. They would go crazy if they did. I can't be sure, but this may be part of what we're facing now. If we whip back the curtain and expose the truth, will people believe it? Do we have the time to transition them slowly so that they're more likely to accept it?

Maybe we need a magician.

[ginnyinWI]

66. we had a saying during the Sixties:

"What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
But the problem is that too many people can be manipulated in too many ways. Education is our friend. Also, with this war, reality will trump any rhetoric and eventually everyone will know the truth.

[Bluerthanblue]

21. we need a real purge-

my gag reflex is automatic, no need for a finger anymore.
and with what we're consuming no need for laxatives either-

But it's wearing on the 'body' Beam me up-

getting harder to swallow, the teeth are rotting and the essential nutrients are being depleted on a daily basis.

To many americans look in the mirror and see a 'healty' image-
but what we've become is corpses- covered in fancy clothes, lots of make-up, and talking a good line.

I'd love to be able to sing alto to your well written heartwrenching ballad of america-
add some sopranos, tenors, barritones and basses, and we could have REAL harmony-

but we're so sick, i'm not sure there is enough left in us to beat this thing-
The apathy, denial, and selfish fear may prove to be insurmountable.


Maybe that which we have hated, has become US A?

I couldn't agree more with you BMU- just can't seem to find any solutions- What CAN we really do????

thanks for putting in words, the way i feel too- but hate facing-
And for saying it in plain-clear english-

where do we go from here???
what's it gonna take????


peace-
blu


(and i'm glad to nominate your post)

[Beam Me Up]

24. Where do we go from here? Chaos or community:

Sunrise!
Surprise
Civilized Man
You were keeper to me
Now your animal is free
And you're free to die

Die!

You're old and your hands are gray
Your old go home and
We've all heard you dirty stories

Two thousand years
Two thousand years
Two thousand years
Of your
God damn
Glory!

...

Only the sun knows what we really need to know
Only the sun holds the secret
And more than human can we be
Cause human's truly locked
To this planetary circle

You gotta ride said the Doktor of space
I have lived here once before
The lites in the nite are a village of stars
Of stars that I have explored
Beyond the idea of beyond the void
And beyond that and more
Parallel lines in this village of stars
Will lead you to the second door
And time won't wait for the Doktor of space from the city of the sun to come

WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE

CHAOS OR COMMUNITY?

CAN'T YOU SEE - ON THIS AND FUTURE SUNDAYS!

7000 Gypsies swirlin together
      Offering to the sun in the name of the weather
            Gonna Hijack - HIJACK THE STARSHIP

...

We come and go like a comet
We are wanderers
Are you anymore?
The land is green and you make it grow
And you gotta let go you know
You gotta let go you know
You gotta let go you know
Or else you stay
MANKIND GONE FROM THE CAGE
ALL THE YEARS GONE FROM YOUR AGE!

At first I was irridescent
Then I became transparent
Finally (Finally!) I was absent

Can you believe it?

Ah, can you believe it?

--Jefferson Starship Blows Against The Empire, 1970

We see where "real politick" has gotten us. Lets try the infinite and limitless realms of the HUMAN IMAGINATION for a change! Lets hear it for poets and dreamers who can imagine a world of different cultures, different people, sharing the Earth together.

Or, is it already too late for that...too late for the highest aspirations of the Human Spirit to fly forth from its cage?

[niallmac]

22. Feel the outrage. Act wisely.

Lets face it. We are dancing around overt revolution which is a win win for the fascists. I believe organized passive resistance is the only way out of this
corporate owned and run mess. There are lots of good groups on the internet promoting a boycot here or letter writing campaign there.
What if everyone with their own axe to grind agreed to agree on one principal and one plan of action? What if the need to agree was considered job one?
Can we all agree? Can the beginnings of a financial attack on the coprs become a reality?
Are we willing to sacrifice some of our creature comforts?
The action must be an intangible that cannot be readily identified and destroyed by the guns and money in power.
Hard to identify and incarcerate inaction. Violence, terrorist acts are all the friends of the coup leaders.
We all need to be singing from the same sheet of paper, like they are.

[Uncle Joe]

94. I agree, passive resistance is the way to go.

It worked for Mahatma Ghandi, it worked for Martin Luther King, some of us will die but if we do nothing, far more will die.

[dfgrbac]

95. We can do what you say, and it is so easy now!

Currently the revolt at what we are experiencing is splintered into thousands of pieces. There are so many activist groups trying to work on their own particular problem. But all the problems being fought are really against the same enemy - corporate power!

But it is easy for all of us to get under that one umbrella we need to act as one - it is called democracy! No, democracy is not writing and calling elected officials or marching in the street. You will be ignored just as we, the people, were ignored when trying to stop this insane war. Democracy is government by the people - get it, government by the people.

We, the people, are sovereign according to our Constitution! All we need to do is start making laws ourselves, since our officials won't solve these problems. And they absolutely won't empower us to do it either. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We must run our own election for democracy. Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel is making it easy for us. He has formed a group that has put together a formalized law and constitutional amendment that we can vote for. Much work has been put into the design of this legislation to ease the people's law making power. It is called the National Initiative for Democracy.

I hope you will join with me in deciding we have had enough of this corrupt government system and vote for democracy. You can vote at the website. And then please support it with at least a one dollar donation to keep the ball rolling, and become an activist for real democracy by informing others about this initiative and get them to vote and support it.

Democracy is still possible in America! It's not too late - YET!

[bloom]

25. That's a good rant. n/t

[LunaC]

26. Well-spoken and heartfelt!

Let me come stand next to you in solidarity!

[Beam Me Up]

27. Thanks, LunaC.

Much appreciated. All too often I feel alone--even though I know I'm not. One thing I do is talk with people about these views, many of which are damned unpopular. But you know what, doing so I discover I'm not as alone as I feel.

Here's what I see: Our point of view is NOT validated and NOT REFLECTED back to us as legitimate by the institutions (media, government, etc.) that we accept as accurately portraying our reality to us.

Did that make sense? Our sense of self as individuals and as a society is something that is constructed from the way things are reflected back to us. We see ourselves a certain way depending upon either the clarity or the distortion of the mirror in which we look. For TOO LONG we have gazed longingly into the CORPORATE MIRROR and, like Meduza's serpents, it has hypnotized and laid waste our soul.

[LunaC]

33. Something to consider

When we speak from the heart openly and express what others think to themselves privately, we validate and empower them and ourselves in the process! It’s the energy and synchronicity that can quietly start the shifts in consciousness that are necessary for mass movements.

What we feel in our hearts doesn’t have to be reflected back to us from exterior sources when our soul resonates with Truth. That’s really all that matters.

You’re a Warrior now….you’ve become the mirror through which others can also see the Truth. I welcome you to the Club.

[Beam Me Up]

39. Thank you for that acknowledgement, LunaC, I appreciate it a lot.

Perhaps we're all Warriors now--in the way of transformation and genuine liberation, what other choice do we have?

[LunaC]

45. Once the epiphany comes

there is no other choice but to Fight The Good Fight....we've been conscripted to endeavor on behalf of the Commmon Good, to hold sacred the Common Good against those who intend to destroy it. It's a classic battle of Good vs Evil. I can't think of a more honorable calling.

[tavalon]

28. It's funny (not ha ha funny)

I was having this same conversation in my head this morning as I was driving home from work.

[evolved Anarchopunk]

30. i'll only add a small bit, i too am at a loss of words, and bluerthanblu

lived up to his/her name. I'm not saying anything negative, i'm just a believer in chakras blu.

Having recently discovered a person i want to spend the remainder of my life w/, i couldn't imagine if she died in a politically motivated or worse a politically-orchestrated disaster. I don't even want to think about it.

The families destroyed by 9/11, by the Iraq War, need to put their collective positive energies, anything they have left, towards finding the truth behind the events. It may be hard to continue, but we all know what happens when u go it alone: You get Cindy Sheehan-ed.

[Cleita]

32. On my local news last night. The showed students

graduating from Cal-Poly with the remark that "the new grads could look forward to new jobs in our booming economy".

:wow:

I'm with you in sentiment all the way. I wish there was a way to rise up without having riots and people shot or rounded up into concentration camps. I'm afraid that is what would happen.

[Beam Me Up]

36. Yes, there is a way. Read my replies to porphyrian and others up thread.

We can take control of this situation. We can have a new--and probably relatively bloodless--counter coup. It is imperative that we work the system for what it is worth, if for no other reason than to prove to ourselves and one another that the system as it is, controlled top down by the oligarchy, does not work. But that doesn't leave us with no options. There are LOTS of options, hundreds of millions of them. We just have to break out of the conceptual chains that are keeping our imaginations fettered to the old ways of fear, believing, thinking, and acting as if we can do little or nothing to change our world.

The neocons and the fascists that fund them are shaping our social reality right now as we speak. But, guess what, THEY are not the only ones who have the power to SHAPE this social reality. What we need is a lot more imagination and 'out of the political paradigm box' thinking. Cindy Sheehan is ONE example we can point to. There will be more, but we have work to do and lots of it.

[LunaC]

46. You can help in my campaign

Join the Whispering Campaign described in the link in my sig line. Being a Truth Warrior doesn't require you to carry a big stick.

If I could only get every member of DU to engage in Dropaganda and distribute 10 copies each of PNAC 101, we could start a wave of information that would grow exponentially until it generated enough "buzz" that the media would be forced to cover it.

In the real world, however, most people prefer to simply bitch and moan rather than DO something and that can sometimes be a bitter pill to swallow when so much is at stake. ::sigh::

[Beam Me Up]

53. This is the kind of thing I've been doing, even before 2000 and 9/11.

Back in the 'old days' before anyone really paid much attention to 'W' a few people I knew were keeping tabs on the CIA and the drug cartels. I was there at the beginning of www.copvcia.com and www.narconews.com (even gave them both some help setting up their initial sites). We were watching the big picture and had already determined that an event--most likely presented as a terrorist event--that would further their long range agenda was most likely forthcoming. When 9/11 happened many people I corresponded with over the internet were already saving every bit of broadcast information they could knowing, as we did, that "The Explanation" would soon set in.

Even in those days I was informing my friends and email list with updates and information and instructions to pass it on. As I began to learn about PNAC (from DU), that information got broadcast as far and wide as I could get it over the net. Since then many many times I've printed out information and had it xeroxed and carried it with me and left it copies in public places where they might be picked up and read.

I agree completely that this is the kind of thing it is going to take--and much more. I have friends with money (I'm just a poor artist type, myself) and I talk with them and suggest ways they can help. I have a bevy of younger folks who listen to my rants and carry the word outward into their circles as well.

So, it goes on.

I have the PNCAC 101 in an MS word document for handy print out.

:hi:

[mithnanthy]

34. Wow!

Beam me up too! There is truth in everything you say. Truth...remember that? ahhhh.......Thanks for that!

[La Coliniere]

37. Wouldn't it be nice

to be able to escape this terrestrial tornado we find ourselves in via being transported vertically by some ethereal beam of light to some safe and loving place? Ah, to dream. But alas, we're here and the only way out is through speaking out and nonviolent resistance. Day by day, moment to moment (now I'm trying to be optimistic here), as difficult as it seems, we need to speak the truth, make them listen, not give up. Yeah, beam me up, that sentiment seems so comforting some days.
Thanks comrade. I know how you feel.
Peace

[lildreamer316]

40. THANK YOU. Time for a REAL discussion.

Unfortunately; many of the things that I think are going to have to be said are not going to be discussed here; (no fault due to anyone). I am not sure where we draw the line but it sure is coming up fast. The time for talk is over; the time for action is nigh. DO OR DIE. Really. The things that are happening are so very very scary.

[OKNancy]

42. I've been stewing about your post, I don't agree with you at all

Someone has to say it.
You seem like a nice guy, but I'm sorry, the WTC was not a controlled demolition and we are not going to have a thermonuclear event to suspend the Constitution.
Politics is a cycle and this will pass..IF WE CAN WIN SOME ELECTIONS.
We aren't going to do that by calling Republicans fascists and ranting on the internet...which by the way, seems to still be open and free to you and me.

Suck it up and do important things. George Bush and his cronies are assholes, but they will be repudiated and banished in 2006 and 2008 if we Democrats can use logic and thoughtful dialog with the other side.

We survived Nixon, Vietnam, the killings of two Kennedys, MalcomX, MLK, Kent State and so on.
We can survive Bush.

[Caution]

43. Thanks for being the voice of reason in a sea of silliness

There are plenty of us out there who don't buy into this garbage.

[Beam Me Up]

44. We disagree.

Perhaps we should leave it at that, I do not know.

You really believe that "logic and thoughtful dialogue" will in any way appease those who, knowingly, led this nation into a war that has killed 2000 of our own soldiers and untold tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children? Do you really believe that? I can not.

You appear to be as certain 9/11 was not an inside job as I am that it was. If you, indeed, are that certain then it would be useless to discuss the matter as we would simply become intrenched in our respective opinions regardless of what evidence we might offer one another.

Similarly, you insist that we have survived the assasinations of our Liberal leaders and that we will survive this. I disagree here, as well. I strongly believe that the subterfuge underlying most of the events you name are at the heart of what ails our nation today--and that allowing the 9/11 event to similarly fall into the black hole of our collective forgetfulness will likewise lead us to further social disintegration. Do you really believe that our nation is the same now as it was, say, during the Nixon administration? I really don't see how you can say that.

This is my opinion and it stands in stark contrast with your own and yet I know that you are not my enemy. I will not argue as I do not believe that would be productive for either of us.

[arendt]

48. The Bush Gang is not "a cycle that will pass"...

they are brutal gangsters who have demonstrated their willingness to lie
their way into office, to lie their way to war, and to continue to lie as they
destroy political structures that marked the very foundation of Anglo Saxon
jurisprudence (habeus corpus).

They have stolen over $1.3 Trillion from everyone who is not filthy rich, and
our grandchildren will be slaves to pay off this needless, tax-cut inflicted debt.

These people are not mere "assholes" , they are murderous sociopaths who
advocate torture and murder by executive fiat.

As for Nixon and the other 60s/70s stuff, this is the same crowd back for round
two. Only, in the meantime, they hijacked the media that caught them last time,
bought the politicians (DLC, etc) who stopped them last time, and own the
Supreme Court that told Nixon to turn over the tapes.

You are the one living in a fanciful past. Cheney and Rumsfeld learned. Chuck
(I'm a Christian) Colson learned.

You should wake up and learn too.

arendt

[arendt]

49. And, they invented the lable "conspiracy theorist" for anyone who...

dares to look any deeper than a Warren Commission-style whitewash.

There are plenty of solid reasons that 911 stinks to high heaven:

1) No other, repeat, no other, high rise building has ever collapsed due to fire,
even though they have burned for DAYS.

2) The points about time-to-fall, pulverized concrete, and liquid metal were documented,
and are really, really hard to explain if you are a scientist.

3) There are photos of people standing in the openings where the planes crashed.

4) It is extremely difficult to make a building fall STRAIGHT DOWN. Demolitions
experts fail sometimes. To believe it happened by accident is braindead.

5) To believe the tower hit second (and hit glancingly so that half the fuel went
into the air) fell before the first tower makes no sense in any version of "cause and
effect" I ever heard.

6) The collapse of WTC 7, which wasn't even hit , is suspicisous - especially in
light of the well-known "pull it" radio conversation.

7) Interesting how the investigation into who profited from 911 stock puts stopped
dead after it lead to a former high official of the CIA.

I could go on; but you might have gotten the point.

arendt

[tx_dem41]

63. You're really in awe of the whole "Bush Gang" aren't you?

All-powerful....all-knowing...fall down on your knees and worship them...that's what you're doing.

They really have you fooled, just like they have a lot of their own side fooled. I guess I see how it happensnow . The most productive thing you can do is just go over to their side. You're way past halfway there. Life will be simpler for you there.

Sad.

[arendt]

78. you have written a Gingrichian masterpiece of twisted negativity...

No content. No facts. Just ludicrous assertions and
character assasination.

I point out the damage done on Bush's watch, and you say
I should join him. To be consistent, you should attack
Richard Clarke.

Plus, your tone was totally insulting. Read the rules:

3. Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post
personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum.

arendt

[tx_dem41]

80. This thread is a rant....I didn't realize facts were necessary.

But, let me at least point you to Richard Clarke then. I've read most everything he has written, except for the latest novel. I didn't realize that he was a big believer in the LIHOP/MIHOP school of 9-11 thought. Read his book and various articles. He is quite level-headed and calm when discussing terrorism. He can teach us a lot.

Now...I really am sorry for the heavyhandedness on that post. My sentiments towards what I see as defeatism and distraction in the OP and in many posts on this thread did not warrant the personal vitriole in my post.

[arendt]

85. Thank you for the civil tone of your reply...

You are legitimately worried about defeatism, and I am
legitimately worried about pollyanna-ism.

In moderation, these sentiments would be optimism and pessimism.
But we live in an environment where everything is scrutinized
for hidden meanings, where every nuance is magnified by
anger and paranoia.

I often think certain threads or posters are trolls. But
then I ask myself if I'm being paranoid. This is my (and
probably many American's) first experience being immersed in
a propaganda environment where the media outright lies. It
is astonishing how fragile civil discourse can be in such
a circumstance.

Thanks for ratcheting down the rhetoric. I will try to do the
same.

----

It is a common misconception that to question the official 911
story is to be LIHOP/MIHOP. I simply don't think the facts fit
together. All of my points are about physical occurences, not
secret agents (except, perhaps, for the cash flows).

The physics just doesn't add up. The unseemly rush to ship the
entire site to India or wherever, without any testing or reconstruction
is highly suspicious to me. We could just as easily have sent
the debris to someplace in the U.S. (I know - environmental
restrictions; but, the neocons would have had the opportunity to open
a national defense loophole in the environmental rules. They
love that kind of Clarence Thomas-style Trojan Horse.) It would have
been trivial to test for explosive residue, to look at the integrity
of the central columns. Instead, we got this incredibly politicized,
Warren-style commission that had its own "magic bullet" theory.

So, put me down for suspicious of the secrecy surrounding the
investigation. There was absolutely no need for it. An open airing
of the mess would have been much better. Secrecy was uncalled for
in the case of a one-time building-failure event that won't be repeated.

arendt

[KoKo]

54. OKNancy........many of us who have done just what you are saying

and worked on all of it and went out on the streets and got involved in our Party are saying what Scottie is saying...

AYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

I love your post urging us to continue...that "this too shall pass." But, I've been down the road you are talking about here...and I gotta tell you...that I used to believe that...I'm an idealist with lots of energy...and while what you and I think "used to work," I'm not so sure about that anymore. We've never seen a P-Resident like this with the WHOLE FUCK'IN GOVT. Controlled by ONE PARTY.

And...they are Fascists! It's gonna take alot more that that "faith that things go in cycles" to convince me that we aren't all gonna be dead before we see change. ....shrug.... Maybe it's just venting but we seem to be "one step forward and five steps back," these days. :shrug:

[Journeyman]

73. I'm perplexed. How can an all-powerful entity. . .

one that controls the entire government, has fascist roots and (presumably) a dictatorial bent, and evidently such a stranglehold on power that we shall all be dead before we see it change -- how is that form of government at 35% approval? Are they merely playing with the numbers, seeing how low they can bring them down before they artificially pump them up again? Or are they so confident of their hold on power that no consideration of public opinion is required anymore? Are they so filled with chutzpah they can flaunt their disregard with little to no concern for the public's reaction?

In my studies of fascist movements and governments, along with the two Western totalitarian regimes, I don't remember one that played so fast-and-loose with public opinion and electoral results. Can't for the life of me remember one that permitted their opposition to remain so vocal, or so close in the ballot tally. And try as I can to stretch my mind to encompass the new within the structure of the old, I can't imagine the rationale that drives the continued allowance of the internet.

But what truly boggles me is the on-going dissension within the ranks of the dominant party. Why are Senators allowed to question and debate policy, Congresscritters permitted to express regret, and the judicial system given free reign to investigate and -- presumably -- prosecute those within the dominant political structure?

Well, it's late. Maybe that's the reason for my clouded thinking. Or maybe Ralph Ellison's belief still holds sway, and the world remains a place of infinite possibilities.

[Beam Me Up]

77. Worthy questions.

I think these are reasonable questions. I do not have the answers.

One thought I can give you is from Noam Chomsky:

The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum — even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.

Another thought I have is that the hard-core fascists have yet to totally consolidate their power. Although they've done a lot to 'rig' the system in their favor in the last five/six years via the "Patriot Act" and the like, there is still more work to be done. Control of the internet could be on their agenda IF independent citizens begin to use it as an organizing tool that is a genuine threat to them. Apparently, at this point, they'd much prefer we just keep writing out our thoughts in public view where they can monitor them.

Here's what worries me most: I believe they now have or will soon have the ability to monitor in real time the comings and goings, communications and financial transactions of tens of thousands of "citizens of interest" INCLUDING Senators, Congressmen and women, law enforcement, judges, members of the press, captains of industry and so on and so forth. So far as I know, this, and the ability of a small group of people to literally control the outcome of a national election from a desk-top computer, is new in the history of fascism.

Edit: clarity.

[Usrename]

67. Thoughtful dialog...

Do you forget that that the Dixie Chicks were destroyed for saying that they were embarrassed that President Bush is from Texas?

Yes, keep telling yourself that thoughtful dialog exists. But I think there is danger in continuing to play along with fascists.

[Orsino]

97. It's a longer cycle than you seem to be implying, IMO.

The '06 and '08 elections won't make a dent in what I see as the real issue, which is the coopting of our democracy by Big Money. The cycle, if there is one, began a century ago in the age of the robber barons. Those days are here again, and this time the media are much more pervasive.

I am frightened that there seems to be no peaceful way to rid ourselves of these predators. A Teddy or an FDR won't suffice this time around. It will take the commitment of a majority of Americans to make it happen in a nonviolent way. It's going to happen, though, probably in the next decade or two, when average Americans can no longer afford to be sung to sleep by their televisions, and America's huge disparity in wealth becomes impossible to hide.

I pray that we can turn away from this path, but I'm not very optimistic.

[Emperor_Norton_II]

47. Okay, so you're fed up.

Now what? Are you just pissing into the wind, or are you going to actually put your money where your rant is?

Get guns, get bombs, get people who think like you do and fight. If you're right, if the great and terrible cabal is so fucking powerful that they can do anything they like, then to not fight them would be the greatest moral cowardice possible.

But you won't. You'll bitch endlessly about how the US is "occupied" on DU, and you'll gather around you a stack of followers to cry out "right on!" and reinforce your circle-jerk, but at the end of the day that's all you'll do. You won't actually fight, oh God no. To do something like that would be to put your precious hide in harm's way, and we can't have that, now can we?

Nobody's going to beam you up, fool. There's no Jesus or Vishnu or Alien Space Brothers out there who'll swoop down and make all the bad people go away. There's you, there's me and there's everybody else on this planet. All we've got is each other, and we're all in this together. If the situation is as bad as you think it is, then stop bitching about it and start organizing to do something about it.

Or you can fucking kill yourself. The choice is yours.

[Beam Me Up]

50. Woah, there. Did you *read* any of the rest of this thread or did you

just jump to your attitude full of assumptions?

You do not know me. You do not know what I have done or what I do or who I engage with outside of DU. If you'd have read up thread you'd already see that I do not believe conventional strategies of violence will work in this situation. We're going to have to out smart them because we sure as hell are not going to out gun them -- UNLESS we can get the armed forces and the weight of law on our side.

[Emperor_Norton_II]

51. All I know is you're here engaging in wankery.

If you had the proof and the depths of your convictions, you wouldn't be here singing this "oh, they're so powerful and we're all sheep" tune. QED.

[Beam Me Up]

59. This thread is clearly labeled a rant in the OP Subject. If you're not

interested, why not just click the little 'x' box thingy so it disappears from your view?

And, by the way, that isn't the song I'm singing.

[Raydawg1234]

55. Your definitely right.......................

What we need is a little PEACEFUL CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, to get the world on our side.

[KoKo]

52. Yes.........Many of us want to be "Beamed Up!" But to where..........???

If you find it...just cast that beam over here...

[Raydawg1234]

58. Hey remember that Heaven's Gate Cult that thought UFO's .....

Were going to take them away? They just ended up committing mass suicide.

[Raydawg1234]

57. Time for some Peaceful Civil Disobedience!

[BigBearJohn]

61. I have never agreed with a post more my whole time on DU.

You DO see the big picture.

Unfortunately, the truth of what you say is indeed TOO TOO horrible for many people to confront.
People need HOPE, myself included. I think if we ever got the full, unadulterated truth of what's
happening today, it might be even harder to face than the horrors of the holocaust. Such
insidious evil is hard to face. Who wants to believe mankind is capable of this planned greed and
debauchery? I sure don't. In some ways, I'm glad I'm 55 and don't have too much longer on this planet.
(I would hope for another 25 years, but who knows).

The one saving grace I see is there SEEMS to be more intelligence (awareness) on the planet than there
was a century ago. More perception, more analytical ability and in some circles, more compassion.
Add to that, the speed of communication these days, and right now we do have a greater ability
to organize... which is why they will probably take that away soon too. However, until people get really,
really, really uncomfortable and threatened by the powers that be, they will probably sit back with a "wait and see"
attitude.

Anybody care to make some predictions as to where the world will be 100 years from now?

[Beam Me Up]

68. Thanks BBJ.

For what its worth, I’ll be 58 next month, so I know what you mean. I've tried to live as an honorable person. I haven't always succeeded at that, but at least I've tried. I don't want to die but if I must, I hope it is for some good purpose.

A hundred years from now? I hazard to guess. I can’t even imagine FIVE years from now the way things are going. I mean, who among us except the very few would have imagined we’d ever be precisely “here” with what is going on around us. I thought we’d gone down the rabbit hole and through the looking glass with the Reagan administration. The Twilight Zone of acknolweged facts of the Bush administration are so bizarre no one could make them up and be taken seriously. Everyone has to work overtime to pretend things are just “normal.” Between the two of us I’m sure we could make a long laundry list of “scandals” that would have brought down any other government we can think of but here, in this case, it just simply goes ‘nowhere’. Pet goat stories during the worst attacks in America’s history; Anthrax attack investigations that simply drop from reported awareness; Male call-boys masquerading as Journalists in the White House press pool; non existent Weapons of Mass Distruction; and Federal Emergency Management in the hands of incompetent cronies, to name but a few. Thge man in the white house and those for whom he is a cover obviously have a lot of be hind the scenes support. Bill Moyers called Reagan the “Teflon President” because nothing ‘stuck’ to him but this case is far stranger, the whole administration surfing from one catastrophe to the next with hardly any political ramifications at all.

That is bad, very bad. They think they can get away with murder. They have so far.

So, what is it going to take?

Let me ask a different question: Do you think Russia and China and even our European allies are going to sit back and allow the United States to militarize space while advancing a ‘first strike’ nuclear option against any perceived military threat?

[BigBearJohn]

86. Russia, China, Europe

Sit back? hell no. I think a major reason for forming the EU was to be able
to stand up to the good old USA. I tell you one thing... I have more respect
for the people of Europe than I do for our leaders. (Tony Blair excluded).

These are very dangerous waters ahead, I'm afraid.
That's why I'm moving to a remote island.

[Gregorian]

62. The "common good" will save us. America to the rescue.

We have lost sight of the very essence of what America is all about. The common good of the people. A calm sense of well being suddenly realized in my thoughts. As Democrats, we will tell the truth, and we will begin to spread the word that we are the party that will restore that which was trampled so defiantly- The common good. Health care, retaining jobs here, instead of letting them float off shore- This is our New Deal. And Rove will be gone. We need not worry about sounding Socialist or Communist. People will know, and people already know, and feel the pain. The whole country is suffering. Well, except for a few tax dodging rich. They can take care of themselves in just the way their Ownership society took care of us.
Our framers and our Constitution designed America for the common good. When we line up and preach this, even Diebold can't win it for them. We will win with truth and compassion. Let's go. Round up the poor, the sick. We have a dream to fulfill.

[Beam Me Up]

69. Yes, people already know. And what they want more than anything is

for someone to stand up and speak the truth. I believe Kerry would have won in a landslide had he done so--if they hadn't shot him, that is.

Anyone doing that is going to have to be very well protected. And, any one doing that is going to have one hell of a time getting media coverage.

Still, though, this is only part of what is needed. We need not only the truth, we need a vision of what is actually possible: We need to believe that, even with 'peak oil' and all the other social, economic and environmental challenges ahead of us, WE--not just Americans but the people of Earth--we have control of our collective future. We can choose how we are going to address these challenges. Right now, I certainly don't hold that view--not in any very optimistic sense. WE are NOT in control of the Government of the United States and what IS in control of it is a group of competing interests that, by and large, leaves US and the rest of humanity completely out of the equation.

[LuCifer]

64. AMEN DUDE!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read my mind or something?!?!?!?! Holy crap man, you nailed it.

Lu Cifer, back to restocking ammo...

[novak goes postal]

65. you have it... Expressed my feelings completely. :toast:

:toast:

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

71. Don't Let The Beam Hit You in the Ass on the Way Out!

-->irony<--

[Desertrose]

74. Some people don't want to believe the truth,BMU

I have to agree with your rant.

Interesting how so many just can't entertain the possibility that there is more than just *bad repubs and good dems* in this whole insane political world.

I agree this is a very critical time and just getting some *dems* in office is NOT in ANY WAY an answer to the problems we face.

DR

[Binka]

76. Absolutely Fabulous! You Are My New Hero!

When a photo like this can appear on Yahoo and people aren't in the streets OUTRAGED POST HASTE something is very very very very wrong. Thank you BMU. BTW aren't you an artist? I had your website once but I think I lost it. I LOVE your work and when I come back to Oakland (I was born there) next year I would like to meet you. I want to buy something!

[HamdenRice]

79. Most excellent rant! Its great to see some discussion of 9/11 outside

the 9/11 dungeon forum. Also I agree with the other points you made, and I think a lot of people underestimate just how bad these thugs are.

I also can't believe some of the meanspirited responses you received. I assume that almost everyone on these boards believes in non violence even against violent, criminal regimes, so I can't understand some of the posts that say if you are not physically fighting you are not doing anything. Those posts are just ill.

[Beam Me Up]

84. Thanks, HamdenRice. I think the Gennie is now out of the bottle and

there is no going back. We WERE attacked on 9/11. The question is, by whom?

I think many people are ready to hear that there is something seriously wrong in this country that can not be 'fixed' by a simple change of majority party. IF what we suspect is true, it is going to take a lot more than getting Democrats--or even fair minded and just Republicans--elected to Congress or the White House. Even IF that were to occur, what we are up against is something that can hide and wait, as they have many times before, until it is once again possible for them to further their fascist agenda while the people sleep. No, IF we ever have government officials who are willing and capable of seeking out this nest of vipers, exposing them and bringing them to justice, WE, the people of the United States of America MUST stand behind them, and protect them, and work WITH them toward this end. We see what they can do, what they've been willing to do since (and even prior to) the assassination of JFK. The very thing which is supposed to protect the national interest--which MUST come to be understood as something more than the hegemony of the few--has become a threat to the national secruity as a whole. Al Gore said it in 2003. Ambassador Joseph Willson said it earlier this year: This administration (and those who keep it in power) is a threat to our national security. The sacred trust has been broken and it is going to take a lot of people with moral fibre and VISION to right the ship of State.

[wiggs]

82. Right or wrong, discussion of this post is needed.

There should be room for this in national discourse to balance the propaganda coming from the admnistration. Good post. Anyone who isn't fed up (regardless of what your favored 9/11 theory is) isn't paying attention, is dead to reason, or is part of the 1% happy with concentration of wealth and power at the expense of democracy.

[Xenotime]

88. The red, white and blue is BS...

this "American spirit" means suppressing the poor, taking land away from the natives, killing the young, killing the innocent... Just look around, this administration is doing it and nobody but a select few cares.

[Beam Me Up]

91. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this discussion. It's time to

let it sink. I appreciate very much the solidarity and support. What I want to discuss now is just HOW we can begin to push through the fog of sleep that is in us and around us so that we can INVISION a path to a future worth living.

Thanks again,

BMU

:hi:

[earth mom]

92. Awesome rant! I feel EXACTLY the same way!

If only ALL the people in this country knew THE TRUTH about the BFEE and every evil deed the BFEE has done since they stole control of the U.S. government in 2000. The turning point for me was when I realized 9/11 was either LIHOP or MIHOP. Oh, it took me a couple of years to realize the truth, but when I did open my eyes, it was an extreme wake up call! And I can't help but think the same would be true for the entire population of the U.S. if people knew the truth and took off their blinders of denial to look the ugly and disgusting truth of 9/11 square in the face!

I can only hope and pray that it will not take another LIHOP or MIHOP for enough people to wake up and understand what danger we are all in!!!

America...Wake up PLEASE!!!

[TexasLawyer]

93. TESTIFY! AMEN!

superb rant!

[dxstone]

96. Wonderful inciteful rant and some great discourse here!

Besides yourself, I'd also point out the input of LunaC, Big Bear John, Gregorian and others...
KUDOS!

And I'd add that until people understand that this goes back thru Reagan and all the way to the JFK assassination, and that the links to the Bush Crime Family are all there, we won't be goin' very far very soon...
But that is NOT an impossible dream; as I said, the links are all there, if one simply has the courage to look at 'em...
Apparently, though, there are just a whole lotta Murricans out there who have a masochistic streak miles wide...

Beat Me Up, Snotty!