KOOL! MSRNC....is Advertising on DU! "Welcome to Porn Valley."

[KoKo]

It looks like a Good One! Stealth Advertising for a "Liberal Cause." :thumbsup:
http://stat.blogads.com/tljoofsefnpdsbujdvoefshspvoedpn/democraticundergroundselectpagespremium/3288344/readmore?r=2&d=http%3A%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B24284628%3B12296386%3Bq%3Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tv.msnbc.com

[mzmolly]

1. And just below that:

One just might get the wrong idear? ;)

[KoKo]

4. Well after the "provocative silhouette" it links to Olbermann, etc. on

MSNBC.. So, the ad is a true "tease" in that it sells a woman's silhouette to promote their "line up" as if a "supposedly Progress or "Secular Liberal" site would like to have a "bait and switch."

It's kind of nauseating :puke: to me as a DU Female...to be exploited this way...but what the hell... :shrug:

[Marie26]

68. Me too.

It's tacky.

[KoKo]

2. Great Copy from the DU Ad: "Hey ladies it's not just for men anymore."

Quote from DU Ad Copy:
Porn. Hey ladies it's not just for men any more.

See how selling sex to both sexes is making pornography the envy of the entertainment industry
Read More...

At the "Left" when one logs into DU Forums:

[seabeyond]

31. then go to phase two of picture, fuckin naked woman

saying hey all you women, see you are included too. fuck that shit, fuck them..........and just like fox. have a woman humping a poll for a bunch of white males telling me about christianity and family moral and who i am suppose to be. fuck it all

[KoKo]

80. I'm sure Rita Cosby is gonna do the "Pole Hump." Keep your kids away

unless you are really very pro them "knowing EVERYTHING" no matter what their age group is. :shrug:

[seabeyond]

82. 8 and 10 yr olds really dont want to watch it.

that is the thing. people keep saying, well it is the real world, if they dont see this crap, they are going to be repressed, ya right. lol lol. but they dont want to watch. the kids keep asking adults to keep it in adult world, but no..... we not only want to share with adults that dont want it, we insist the kids play in this game too

nah..... wont be watching rita. no interest

[mod mom]

84. My 8 + 9 yo watch "oddball" on countdown then hang around for KOs

"worst person in the world" series. They come back at the end to watch KO throw his papers over his desk and crack the glass but take turns to rush to turn off the tv before Rita's cacophony spews from her mouth. They rush upstairs and haul over to the tv in the nick of time, to deliver us from evil. New family tradition.

[benburch]

3. We can't DISCUSS the porn industry here...

even though many DUers are IN IT.

But we sure as hell can advertise an exposè about it...

[MelissaB]

5. We can't?

Taboo?

[benburch]

7. My threads about it seem to not live long...

Under the "sex thread" rule.

Doesn't make me happy, but this isn't my board, so I realize that I am here under the owner's rules.

[MelissaB]

8. I guess I've missed the disappearing ones.

I have a friend in the business and don't see what the big deal is.

[KoKo]

13. Well...it's sort of a hard issue for Dems to deal with.

So...because Dems champion the right to anyone to do whatever they want to do with their bodies...the Repugs and Organized Crime think that they can get a pass with us. Our need as Dems to champion "individual freedoms" sort of puts us in a bind with Porn and Violent/Sexual Video Games/DVD's/CD's and the rest. Tipper Gore went down over this issue.

Meanwhile we have our Fundie Zealot RW Christian porking little boys and little girls and into mega "sideline stuff" and we Dems are in "contortions" over the issue because...we believe so strongly in the right to do what one wants as long as it doesn't hurt anyone...and sexual freedom means "Roe vs. Wade," and nothing else.

It kind of "boxes us in" which is what the Repugs love...while they frolic everywhere.....all over the sexual, drug and gun dealing territory and we out here are left "debating the issues." :shrug:

[KoKo]

12. But the Porn and Gambling interests are what's running Abramoff & Dukester

Plus we had Gannon/Guckert.... It's the heart of the Repug Party. How could we not address these issues? It's everywhere. Josh Marshall is even into it and he's hardly someone that one would look on as a "fringie?" No? :shrug:

[MelissaB]

14. I don't know who Josh Marshall is, but if somebody got a log of

who escorts were sent to the "Christian" right would leave the party in a heartbeat.

[MelissaB]

15. BTW, that's male and female escorts.

The fact that many Republicans have same sex escorts would really piss off a lot of people.

[KoKo]

24. Melissa B....here's a link to his site, if you want to check it out.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[MelissaB]

25. Thanks for the link.

I didn't recognize the name, but I've been to that site before.

This is the third site tonight that has "the ad" on it.

[KoKo]

28. It must be part of an "Advertising Package buy" promoted to the Liberal

Blogs. It just doesn't seem to fit... And, I would think some would find it offensive... But, why offend your viewers if you don't need to. :shrug: Or maybe the money is too good to pass up since it's an ad from MSNBC. Most blogs could use the cash...but at what price....UGH!

[mongo]

51. WTF?

Do you just post any old crap you can make up to fit your agenda?

But the Porn and Gambling interests are what's running Abramoff & Dukester

SHOW ME A FUCKING LINK BETWEEN THE ADULT INDUSTRY AND ABRAMOFF -- or just admit your made that up just now.

Plus we had Gannon/Guckert..

Gannon was a prostitute, not a pornographer.

But hey, any lie is a good lie when it furthers your agenda, right?

[seabeyond]

52. welcome

lol lol. wavin

biggest of smiles......

[rman]

83. Fake defense contractors is what runs the Abramoff thing

Also the fact that Repubs are involved with gay escort services, doesn't mean there isn't also such a thing as 'liberal porn'.

Moreover the problem with Gannon/Guckert isn't so much the fact that he's a gay escort, but the fact that he was/is a fake journalist, a RW propaganda operative.

[frazzledmom]

16. I don't get that.... There seems to be this line of thought

that women are somehow insulted or degraded when Porn is discussed. Funny, when my wife and I go into an adult store mostly what I see are couples, and women by themselves. While it's true we go the more upscale places it's pretty telling.

edit-Walldude posting on the wife's puter...

[seabeyond]

41. i am not offended talking about porn. i am not offended by porn

i dont give a shit what the next person does with porn. i dont like porn, nor do porn. i dont walk into the porn store. but i get it driving down the street, when i get into this site, when i turn on the friggin news. watch your porn. i dont care. i really do not care. why do i have to watch it. all the time. and why doesn our little children, mine being boys, have to be subjected to this ADULT behavior, all over in their lives.

[SidDithers]

87. That's exactly how i feel...

about religion.

Sid

[KoKo]

6. true!.......hush my wicked mouth and eyes......

;-)'s I guess maybe we give it a "pass" like Bill Bennet's little "gambling problem" while he writes "Book of Virtues."

Shhhhhhhhhh....nothing to see or hear, here just .....move along.

[mongo]

57. The only thing to see in this thread is your lies.

[KoKo]

9. What's really "low" is that MSNBC has to use "Stealth Ads" re/ Porn to

buy time on an "honest liberal Website" like DU? What?????

Do they want to demean us more by thinking that Democratic Undergound users are gonna go for that Porn Advertising CRAP?

What were they thinking? Are the MSNRC Marketing Managers now 14 years olds with Daddy's trust fund who work for Grover Norquist? :nuke:

[mzmolly]

10. Indeed, they would not post such a teaser on Free Repugnant

:eyes: And, the teaser doesn't take you to any article about this subject?

[KoKo]

11. Yes....they think "Dem/Liberals/DNC/DLC Liberals are into Porn/Bait/Switch

It's really dreadful they could go that "LOW." but then many of us figure there's no "real bottom" for these crooks & liars.

I know Skinner get's "Bulk Ads." He doesn't always get to review what the ads are.

I wonder what Skinner would think of this one when he "clicks the link."

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

54. it went to advt the show coming up for me.

gave me msnbc, but when i click the rita story i got the advertisement. After a tide commercial and mom smelling how clean and fresh her family clothes are, ba hahahahah. that ole, virgin mary Madeline thing

[Hypatia82]

23. Given the attitudes towards sex, sexuality and porn...

that come out from all sides, it's just sensible marketing on their part. Though anyone connecting Playboy with porn needs a crash course in erotica. Besides that, it's just an ad, nothing to get worked up over.

[mzmolly]

36. My attitude is toward women being reduced to objects.

Just to clarify.

[Hypatia82]

45. And just how is that...

happening in the ads? People need to drop the objectification argument, it's so piss poorly constructed it's a rather pathetic show of intellect it's been allowed to be perpetuated for so long. For the record I'm female.

[mzmolly]

47. I don't care what your gender is.

The add in question is using a silhouette of the female anatomy to draw people to an article that doesn't even appear to exist, yet your asking how it's an example "objectification?" :eyes: It's not even a real friggin human being.

[Hypatia82]

55. It's just an outline...

partial one at that. And it's not supposed to take you to an article, just a blurb about an upcoming TV program. And really, what is so offensive about an outline of a nude woman?

[mzmolly]

67. What is so offensive about a penis?

What is so offensive about the human body? Nothing, depending upon the portrayal.

[seabeyond]

46. thanks, for telling me what i am supposed to be worked up about

bahhahahahaha, that is about the funniest as you simplify the whole subject into one really really small neat little package, wink

oh no women dont be bothered hubby spend ten hours in basement looking at internet porn instead of playing with you, he STILL loveeees you... men just need it.

jsut gets to the place of funny doesnt it?

[Skinner]

30. Sorry, benburch -- that's not correct.

Here's the rule:

"You are permitted to discuss political or social issues relating to human sexuality, provided that you exercise the appropriate level of maturity, sensitivity, and discretion. Topics about sex are not permitted in the DU Lounge, although we may occasionally make an exception for articles posted from mainstream news sources."

In other words:

If you want to talk about sex, find another board. But if you want to talk about "political or social issues relating to human sexuality" you are welcome to do so.

If you're unable to discuss it with "maturity, sensitivity, and discretion" then your threads will get locked.

[mzmolly]

33. Skinner the MSNBC banners are offensive. Would an outline of a male

body including the penis be promoted by MSNBC on DU? I don't think so. Further when one attempts to read the story MSNBC claims to highlite, it does not exist. I'm not sure what type of "experiment" they are conducting, but I don't think I want to visit DU until that banner is gone.

Peace

[atommom]

71. I dislike the ad too, though I can see I'm clearly in the minority.

I probably don't enjoy looking at boobs as much as many other people do. Ho hum...

[mzmolly]

76. Sadly if that were a picture of a woman breastfeeding people would

be up in arms.

[seabeyond]

77. cause that is taking breast away from sex...... huge out cry

NNNOOOOOOOO dont do that to the breast, having a baby feed from it. eeew grosss. yup.

[mzmolly]

78. Yep.

LOL

[raccoon]

86. I dislike the ad too. nt

[mzmolly]

53. Ok, the banner is back to the original mud flap theme.

Guess I can live with it as is. ;)

[KoKo]

17. Switching Forums and seeing Ad...It's Demeaning to DU Females...

Just IMHO...but I'm seeing this as really bad for us here who think the silhouette and copy makes it look like a bunch of "randy guys" and maybe some gals" on DU are going to run over to MSRNC just because they "baited and switched us" with that ad sold by "Blogads" to our Administrators.

I think it's not good....:-( Did Tweety Matthews design that ad just for us? Or was it Dan Abrams or that "throaty witch" ...or the rest of their crap folks over there who are coming over here thinking we are "suck up idiots?"

[KoKo]

18. Well....I'll leave this....don't like to be a "One Man Band" for a cause

here. :-(

Folks don't get it...no problem and whatever....I'll "go with the flow" who think this ad is just fine....

[blogslut]

19. The ad

is for an MSNBC investigative piece on the Porn industry in Chatsworth, CA. While the bit has not been aired, I will bet my rent that it will not take a favorable view of my evil, evil business. Remember, it's a Rita Cosby story.

Is the ad titillating? You betcha. Does it belong on DU? I don't know, that's for the people that own DU to decide. Did the ad work in getting you to pay attention to the issue? Most definitely.

[KoKo]

20. Well...SEX!!!!! SELLS!!!! (Breaking my Rule that I was leaving this)

But, yeah...I understand what you say. An old advertising rule..."If it doesn't sell...take the clothes off and put it out naked." (Advertising Agency joke from the 1980's...sort of like "Lipstick on the Pig" from these Bush days) I imagine nothing has changed since then...

But..as I said, I understand what you say.

[PassingFair]

88. Sells to MEN, maybe...

I didn't like the ad either. It made me uncomfortable.

[mzmolly]

37. Problem is I can't find the piece the ad is supposedly trying to

promote.

[Marie26]

70. Right

I went ahead & clicked it - it just goes straight to the general MSNBC site. You could almost call it valid if it actually led to a related story. Right now, it's just using bait & switch to get more people to go to the MSNBC website. And I'm betting the target audience isn't women. It's sleazy, IMO.

[seabeyond]

72. on the many stories of msnbc it has rita's show. click on that

and it does take you to the porn story. to women petting each other. the part of porn being for women has me a bit confused.

[Marie26]

89. Oh, OK.

I think I'll pass. :eyes: I think it's funny how old Christian conservative Joe Scarborough has a show on "Internet addiction" on the same page. I wonder what he'd think about how his show is being promoted?

[Marie26]

69. No, I agree with you

I don't think it should be banned or anything, but it makes me a little uncomfortable. Using women as bait - no thanks.

[Hypatia82]

22. Good chance a woman designed it..

lots of women do graphic design for advertising, my SO being but one. And as a female I find the graphic not the least bit upsetting. Then again I subscribe to Playboy and don't consider it porn. Then again I don't think there's anything wrong with legal porn anyways.

[mzmolly]

35. Well if it were a silhouette involving a penis, it would not be used by

MSNBC, now would it be allowed on the front page.

It's a matter of double standard and the objectification of women that permeates ever fiber of our society. This is not about healthy attitudes toward "sex." Additionally, the banners are becoming more "explicit."

[seabeyond]

43. what i told hubby years ago, the day a restaraunt is called penis

is the day i will go walk into hooters.

[mzmolly]

49. I had a thread here in the lounge long ago suggesting DU-ers come up with

a name for the male "hooters."

We had lots of fun and came up with some funny names. We also had uniform ideas. The thread was locked. :( But it was a "hoot" while it lasted. ;)

[seabeyond]

50. it was a "hoot" .............. wink n/t

[Hypatia82]

44. Sorry the outline of a naked woman....

is at most erotica. Tittilates, but doesn't really show anything. And a draw neon tube outline? Truckers mud flaps are closer to erotica than that. If you've ever called someone beautiful you've objectified them, basically blows that whole argue.

[mzmolly]

48. What?

The fact that you can say that women are used in most porn (so it's ok to post porn type images everywhere) while claiming that women are not "objectified" in the same statement speaks volumes.

BTW, when I call someone "beautiful" I'm speaking about their ENTIRE person not their anatomy.

[mongo]

58. Porn objectifies BOTH men and women

that's kinda the point...

Sitcoms and the rest of TV objectifies people too. It's called entertainment.

So go watch your soaps and read your romance novels, etc., as long as we have NO naked women in our society, all will be well.

[mzmolly]

73. All one has to do is look at the covers of hetero porn videos to see who

is being "objectified." And, frankly many of the men in porn are downright repulsive.

Sorry, I don't think the objectification is quite (equal.)

[Hypatia82]

60. Actually...

given the abundance of gay male porn, I wouldn't jump to saying women are in most porn. And even if they are, so what? And any concept of beauty involves objectification. Part and parcel of beauty.

[mzmolly]

74. I think men are objects in gay male porn, but that hasn't crossed

over to every aspect of our society.

[rman]

85. The silhouette of the female doesn't show genitals - why do you compare

it to the silhouette of a male that does show genitals?

[mzmolly]

34. I agree!

This is demeaning. I don't come here to see women objectified.

[Caoimhe]

62. When I see a neon COCK & BALLS.. it will be equal

I dont' come here to see trash like that. Sorry. And Yes, I am liberal. But I am female, and I am interested in politics and laughs, not seeing porn ads. There is more than enough of this out there in the MSM, why do DUers need to be subjected to it?

Just my 2.3333 cents

[mzmolly]

75. I've scoured the net and can't find ONE neon cock and ball sign.

;) Perhaps there is an untapped market?

[Caoimhe]

79. I think this would do!

sorry couldn't help it. Hope you see it before it gets deleted

[mzmolly]

81. LMAO

:rofl:

[seabeyond]

42. hannity and oreilly would be slobbering all over themselves to

put this ad on their site. it is their white male, reclined chair, beer drinkin males that love this shit. one of the reason fox has promoted this for years and has all over the place, to keep the men entertained, ba ha ha ha. are you kiddin. lol lol

on edit: fox is THE most sexiest channel, lol lol as they then morally shake their heads at us. funny funny

[WillyT]

21. What... Ya Gotta Problem With Your Pornograph ???

Ya probably need a new stylus.

:evilgrin:

[bloom]

26. KoKo01

You made a lot of good points throughout this thread.

What seems odd to me is that it's supposedly aimed at porn for women - is the target market supposed to be lesbians? Would they be attracted to the neon porn women? (Seems like a fairly small market).

Seems to me it's for men - regardless of what it says, "Porn. Hey ladies it's not just for men any more."


You do have to wonder about the marketing to liberals aspect. Or if they don't care if they turn women off. If it were really directed toward women - I think they would use a different image.

[KoKo]

27. It's a promo for MSNBC...and indeed it's very odd. Josh Marshall's TPM

site also has the same ad up. So, it looks like it was part of a Liberal Advertising package. (or, maybe the RW sites got the ad, too..I don't really go to those sites for news, though).

Yes..what you say is true...it seems to be very contradictory in who is the "target" for the ad. Do they think liberal sites have more Gay/Lesbians and so the promo would appeal to them? Was that their purpose? Wouldn't it make more sense to advertise Chris Matthews big PlameGate special which aired tonight,though? Why promote "Porn Valley," on a liberal news blog?

I find it offensive to see on a liberal site...hawking MSNBC and the topic being Porn rather than Poltical in tone. But, most here have no problem with it.. :shrug:

[bloom]

29. You have the feministing women using

the truck driver porn woman image - with a twist.

http://feministing.com/archives/000497.html



But I don't like seeing the truck driver porn woman. It represents an obnoxious POV as far as I'm concerned.


P.S. I noticed the feministing women have the blogads, also - but they have a different representation of a naked women on their ad. hmmm.

[seabeyond]

32. i am lucky, my wife lets me look at porn. heard this recently

isnt that a bunch of shit. your wife lets you...... bah hahahaha. and like i am suppose to say, oh poor hubby. i dont get off you getting off on all this shit. like he would be embracing me jackin off to a cock.

this shit is being thrown in our face, as those that support porn say, what about my right to see. what about my fuckin right to not see. every single friggin image in life, where ever i go, there is a naked woman to see. and i am the messed up one? even driving down a f***in hiway with my 3 and 6 yr old boys. trucker with a porn picture on his window, myself and the boys met to a female with her legs spread in our face as we drive by.

right guys. lets talk about your friggin right. lol lol like the christian persecution going on.

[bloom]

38. So now there is a new image

and the type is:

"Porn. It's jumped out of the seedy theaters and back-alley video stores, and into the family computer.

See where it's heading next."


It sort of reminds me - but it's not nearly as bad - as the time when my kids were little and watching cartoons and an advertisement ran during the Saturday morning cartoons - about a news show on how much porn had infiltrated television and they showed examples.

So now you go to the latest page and here is this line drawn image of a naked woman jumping out of your computer at you. It's like it's saying - "you can't get away from it - even if you want to." (I guess that's the point, huh? )


But it's still seems that MSNBC is just trying to cash in on sex/porn their own selves.

[seabeyond]

39. two three years ago i had fox on. during invasion. same woman

humping pole in high heels with ever story they were going to tell about, oh the woman dragged by hair as a couple men paid her, while they carried around guns hunting????? and like three other stupid shit stories like that. i saw the same crotch humping that pole at least 50x's in a couple days.

yes, that is what msnbc is doing. then we are all suppose to pretend we arent bothered.

i had two boys watching a woman having an orgasm in a shower when they were 5 and 7, watching animal planet one night. and yes my kids were around with the porn advt on cartoon that you saw. and history channel, lordy, a year ago about something. even my slut brother was bothered by that one, with his ten yr old daughter watching history channel a lot.

[mzmolly]

40. It's insane isn't it?

Shampoo commercials are reduced to female orgasmic experiences.

[mongo]

59. Oh come on

My wife enjoys porn. We switched magazine distributors recently, so we now send back strips (just the front cover with the bar code) -- the result being, we get free magazines now too. I always bring the gay porn home for her.

And the term for masturbation for a woman is "jill off", not "jack off"

What other images in our society do you seek to ban from public? Obesity? Smoking? How about the medical ads on TV? I get symptoms for everything from a heart attack to acid reflux disease when I see those ads... Lets ban everything *I* find offensive.

[seabeyond]

61. "jill off", not "jack off"

see how good you are to me. i didnt know that. thank you. it's cute, i like it

[seabeyond]

64. i know she does mongo., and that is the coolest.... for you two

i bet there are things my husband and i do you arent into. and that is cool for us. but i would not insist you particpate in my world. i would respect you to chose your own form of enjoyment as i will mine

[seabeyond]

56. lol, got into advt for rita and shows two women on bed feeling

each other up. maybe it is addressed to the lesbian crowd, cause i know it doesnt turn me on and certainly wouldnt turn on a bunch of men. you know..... two women......

[Ian David]

63. MSNBC To Flood Internet With $1M Ad Campaign...

MSNBC To Flood Internet With $1M Ad Campaign...

The New York Times | Posted December 12, 2005 11:47 AM
READ MORE: NBC

The MSNBC cable network plans to flood the Internet this week with its largest concentrated online pitch, running advertising on hundreds of Web sites and blogs. The cost of the campaign, to promote three prime-time programs, is estimated at just under $1 million.

MSNBC, owned by Microsoft and the NBC Universal division of General Electric, will promote the shows - with their hosts, Keith Olbermann, Rita Cosby and Joe Scarborough - in ads that are to start appearing tomorrow and continue all day Wednesday. Some ads will promote segments on the shows about life online, like how marketers sponsor "viral" video clips that consumers can forward to each other.

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/12/12/msnbc-to-flood-internet-w_n_12133.html

[seabeyond]

65. a funny. ya... so you get porn and i dont

had computer on sitting at kitchen table and husband comes home early to take me out. he comes into our room as i am brushing teeth, "it is ok for you to have porn and not me". i am laughing and laughing. oh..... and there you go. bold and clear on our political board. will have to remember to exit out of board when i leave the room, after all.... as a parent,.... it is my job to switch the button off

and before anyone thinks hubby is being deprived, he was joking, cause he knows how i feel, he respects it and he doesnt feel deprived.

but, when i told him it was msnbc and not a porn site, he was surprised and then a little pissed that is what they gave a dem site for advt, he thinks it says something.

[bloom]

66. I think it says something, too.

Here's an article that tries to look at the issue from all sides - including women who got hooked,

One 35-year-old married woman said the pictures (especially those depicting S&M scenarios) "would haunt me day and night." The habit began to erode her marriage. "My husband could no longer satisfy me".

http://www.psychologytoday.com/rss/pto-20050808-000007.html

(and for the pro-porn people - the article does discuss positive aspects of porn as well)


Here's an article from MSNBC from 5 years ago - same subject: Addicted to online porn

http://www.msnbc.com/news/443437.asp

[Skinner]

90. Locking.

The offending ad is gone now.