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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 02:24 PM
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"Staying the course" is clearly a nonsensical phrase.
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 02:29 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
It is not possible not to stay any course, because the word "course", itself, signifies precisely a determinate distance run, being run or to be run. But it is characteristic of the empty weasel-words and -expressions of populists seeking to win over those who are unable to analyse communications for rational meaning, but are very susceptible to emotional slogans biased by their purveyors to convey falsehoods.

It begs the question, "What course"? This is precisely the matter in dispute. If we knew the course, some might be prepared to pursue it, balancing the benefits and the losses and, rightly or wrongly, finding them, sufficiently favorable to warrant further pursuit of course. On the other hand, they might find the potential preponderance of benefits over losses to be at best too hazardous and at worst disastrously ill-advised.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 02:41 PM
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1. No, it has a very specific meaning
as those of us who survived the Nixon, Reagan and BushI years can tell you. It means "Keep doing the same stupid thing and expecting a different outcome."

That's insanity, by the way.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:15 PM
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2. Stay the course...right into the rocks....
Using the navigation/sailing analogy this phrase makes no sence. The only time it is of any value is when you have enough infomation to know that the course you are on is going to allow you to weather a feature or if you are racing and holding course is to maintain an advantage.

Certainly we don;t have all the information that Bush has. He and his mhandlers obviously have some other agenda that is more important than any thing we can muster as an objection.

It is no doubt money and power related.

The Bush administration is on the course they chose and are doggedly staying on it because it is designed to scuttle this nation on the rocks.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:28 PM
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3. I took it as a bit of sailing jargon:
Something about tying ('staying') the ship's wheel. I was wrong, if the OED is right. It seems likely they're right.

"Sport. To last, hold out, exhibit powers of endurance in a race or run. Also, to hold out for (a specified distance)....

(apparently first noted in 1834)

"1834 DARVILL Race Horse (1846) II. 44 If he finds that his horses can go faster and stay longer at the pace by being drawn fine. 1860 ROUS in Baily's Mag. I. 18 There is another popular notion that our horses cannot now stay four miles. 1871 M. COLLINS Marq. & Merch. III. iv. 114 Such a galloperand can't he stay! 1874 Slang Dict. 309 Stay, to exhibit powers of endurance at walking, running, rowing, etc. 1889 The Pauline VIII. 39 The Indian Civil boat made a good race of it for half the course but could not stay. 1897 Allbutt's Syst. Med. II. 841 may enable a man ‘to spurt’ but not ‘to stay’."

" to stay the course: to hold out to the end of a race. Freq. fig.

"1885 Daily Tel. 11 Nov. 3/7 Doubts are also entertained..concerning her ability to stay the course. 1916 Times 8 May 9/1 If we are to ‘stay the course’ set before us, other sections must be prepared for greater sacrifices. 1939 A. HUXLEY After Many a Summer I. viii. 103 ‘Do you suppose you'd still be a scholar and a gentleman?’.. ‘One will certainly have stopped being a gentleman,’ he answered. ‘One's begun to stop even now, thank heaven.’ ‘But the scholar will stay the course?’ 1966 Listener 10 Mar. 365/3 There was much to be learnt from this programmeabout metal fatigue, for instancefor those who could stay the course. 1983 Verbatim IX. IV. 16/2 When President Reagan exhorted Senators and Congressmen to stay the course, the actual meaning of his words was the opposite of his intended meaning."


OED claims it's ultimately a variant of
"quasi-trans. To remain for, to remain and participate in or assist at (a meal, ceremony, prayers, etc.); to remain throughout or during (a period of time). = stay for, 14a.

"1570 in Kempe Losely MSS. (1836) 234 At the tyme poynted he cam and stayd the service, from the beginning to th'end. 1599 HAYWARD 1st Pt. Life Hen. IV, 26 The rest of the lords departed, except the Earle of Darby, who stayed supper with the King. 1661 P. HENRY Diaries & Lett. (1882) 85, I stay'd ye sermon. a1700 EVELYN Diary 29 Nov. 1661, My Lord Mordaunt, with whom I staid the night. 1778 F. BURNEY Evelina (1791) I. xx. 87 We intended to stay the farce. 1786 Diary 27 July (1842-6) III. 37 At the dessert I was very agreeably surprised by the entrance of Sir Richard Jebb, who stayed coffee. 1808 JANE AUSTEN Lett. (1884) I. 357 She stayed the Sacrament, I remember, the last time that you and I did. 1832 MOORE Mem. (1854) VI. 244 Went to Bowood, and stayed prayers. 1862 CARLYLE Fredk. Gt. XI. iii. (1872) IV. 51 A certain Colonel..contrives to get invited to stay dinner. 1888 G. GISSING Life's Morning II. xi. 135 I'm obliged to ask them to stay tea."

Sounds like it's roughly equivalent to the more current "go the distance".
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 05:26 PM
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4. If it's not "to hold out for a specified distance", but to "exhibit
powers of endurance", the latter is not, per se, as far as I know, a coveted goal of statecraft. Reality shows, yes. Realpolitik, no.

Sure, it is used as a metaphor in mundane contexts, but would hardly commend itself to the CIA, for instance, as a rational policy - any more than would telling a man digging himself into a hole to "stay the course".
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