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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:03 AM
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Santa Claus: A Liberal?
From what I've heard about the dude, he's a bleeding heart liberal.

Go Santa!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:04 AM
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1. he brightens the lives of all children--no matter sex, color, creed
or income.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:25 AM
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12. I am not so sure about the income thing
There are many children who, while their friends at school will all get new X-boxes and flat panel TV's, will be lucky if they get a new shirt.
It really saddens me each year the number of kids who's parents can't afford Christmas gifts. I look at all the money we spend on our children and think that they don't have any idea how lucky they are.
We have tried to make sure they have some idea from the time they were little we have always taken somewhere there is one of those Salvation Army Christmas trees with names on it and tried to make one two children's Christmas a little brighter.
Each year it gets tougher as the names on those trees grow larger.
Someday - If I were ever to come into some money or have a surplus of cash, I swear, I would do what ever I could afford to make some children's Christmas mornings brighter.
It is not so much about Christmas for these kids as it is about when they have to tell their friends what they got from Santa Clause.
:cry:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:06 AM
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2. A jolly fat man surrounded by sycophants?
Sounds much more like a conservative. Plus, he's outsourced his toy production out of the US and abuses reindeer.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:07 AM
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3. He hands out entitlements right and left! And he gives nothing to
corporations.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:07 AM
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4. What about the underpaid Elves? The reindeer exploitation?
And working one day a year.... a typical CEO!
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Paranoid Pessimist Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:07 AM
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5. Nope, Santa is actually Satan, according to this
Santa is Satan and his nefarious goal is replacing the spirit of Christ (open to a great deal of interpretation) with crass consumerism. "What are you getting for Christmas? What do you want for Christmas? What do you want from Santa? What's Santa bringing you? What's in Santa's bag this year?" Goodies, that's what's in Santa's bag. Goodies massed produced by, well, a bunch of enslaved minority workers secreted away in a hard to reach location.



http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1215-25.htm
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:07 AM
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6. Actually he gets the resources for all thegifts by stealing from all the
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 10:08 AM by Tiggeroshii
poor and middle class children. Ever get any gifts? No? Thats cause you aren't part of the top 10%. Santy Clause has changed his ways since the 80's.

:P
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:12 AM
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7. Well, yeah, he is. . . at least the original St. Nicholas is. . .
Fascinating stuff here about good St. Nick

www.stnicholascenter.org

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38

:smoke:
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:12 AM
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8. I think he's a commie
wears a lot of red
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:21 AM
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10. SANTA IS A COMMIE !
Edited on Fri Dec-16-05 10:24 AM by tocqueville
1. He always wear red
2. His beard and hairstyle are a copy of Karl Marx. Both arouse in Germany at about the same time.
3. His "HO HO HO" is nothing else than a Vietcong chant from the sixties : remember HO HO HO... HO CHI MINH
4. He has a gigantic collective factory in a snowy country in the north where everybody works for no wage and all wear the same uniform
5. He keeps everybody in a giant register
6. He has developped a personality cult in more than 100 years

isn't that proof enough !
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:23 AM
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11. We should get some shirts that say Santa is a commie....
Have Santa on the front, Karl Marx on the back...
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:17 AM
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9. He's Totally Pagan
He's Odin baby. Why do you think we hang stockings?
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:30 AM
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13. Here's your answer re the stockings. . .
http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38

(snip)
Through the centuries many stories and legends have been told of St. Nicholas' life and deeds. These accounts help us understand his extraordinary character and why he is so beloved and revered as protector and helper of those in need.

One story tells of a poor man with three daughters. In those days a young woman's father had to offer prospective husbands something of value—a dowry. The larger the dowry, the better the chance that a young woman would find a good husband. Without a dowry, a woman was unlikely to marry. This poor man's daughters, without dowries, were therefore destined to be sold into slavery. Mysteriously, on three different occasions, a bag of gold appeared in their home-providing the needed dowries. The bags of gold, tossed through an open window, are said to have landed in stockings or shoes left before the fire to dry. This led to the custom of children hanging stockings or putting out shoes, eagerly awaiting gifts from Saint Nicholas. Sometimes the story is told with gold balls instead of bags of gold. That is why three gold balls, sometimes represented as oranges, are one of the symbols for St. Nicholas.
(snip)

P.S. Other stories about the bags of gold tell of Nicholas dropping them down a house chimney.

:smoke:
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:36 AM
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15. bzzz
Most of the stories are adaptations of earlier ones when the Christians took over Christmas from the pagans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

(snip)
Prior to the Germanic peoples' conversion to Christianity, Germanic folklore contained stories about the god Odin (Wodan), who would each year, at Yule, have a great hunting party accompanied by his fellow gods and the fallen warriors residing in his realm. Children would place their boots, filled with carrots, straw or sugar, near the chimney for Odin's flying horse, Sleipnir, to eat. Odin would then reward those children for their kindness by replacing Sleipnir's food with gifts or candy . This practice survived in Belgium and the Netherlands after the adoption of Christianity and became associated with Saint Nicholas. Children still place their straw filled shoes at the chimney every winter night, and Saint Nicholas (who, unlike Santa, is still riding a horse) rewards them with candy and gifts. Odin's appearance was often similar to that of Saint Nicholas, being depicted as an old, mysterious man with a beard. (Other features, like the absense of one eye, are not found in Saint Nicholas.) This practice in turn came to America via the Dutch colony of New Amsterdam, New York and New York City prior to the British seizure in the 17th century, and evolved into the hanging of socks or stockings at the fireplace.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:32 AM
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14. not a liberal with all the little people in that big sweat shop making toys
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:54 AM
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17. You mean that commune?
Where disadvantaged elves are given happy, productive work?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:49 AM
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16. Not really - think about it - the story is that he brings ALL the good
kids presents.

Yet, how often do you hear about the really really good POOR kids getting all that they wanted for Christmas?

Sounds like a neo-con to me . . . Santa seemed to stop off at all the wealthy kids' houses, and maybe left one trinket at the poor kids' homes . . .
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 11:14 AM
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18. Santa Clause has a red suit, he's a communist...
We're gonna sing you this Christmas carol. It's for all you
bastards out there in the audience tonight. It's called "The
Pause of Mr. Claus".

Why do you sit there so strange?
Is it because you are beautiful?
You must think you are deranged
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

You must think Santa Clause weird
He has long hair and a beard
Giving his presents for free
Why do police guys mess with peace guys?

Let's get Santa Clause 'cause;
Santa Clause has a red suit
He's a communist
And a beard, and long hair
Must be a pacifist
What's in the pipe that he's smoking?

Mister Clause sneaks in your home at night.
He must be a dope fiend, to put you up tight
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

-Arlo Guthrie- The Pause of Mr Clause.
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