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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:12 AM
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Boy did he bristle over "unchecked power"...
When it really hits home, it really hurts, doesn't it Shrubby? He then says the first check is is oath to uphold the law. Yeah, right Mr. Chucklenuts... we really trust your word, don't we... NOT!!!! :grr::puke:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:13 AM
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1. AND didn't answer the question
ecept to repeat his lie that he got the approval of Congress.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:22 PM
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20. Lie or not, Congress can't give him permission to break the law.
The only way unchecked spying on American citizens could be legal is if Congress repealed the Fourth Amendment, which it didn't.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:32 PM
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22. yup
unless the Constitution is indeed dead, his goose is cooked

he has confessed to breaking the law

asking your lawyer to tell you it's okay doesn't immunize you

informing congress doesn't immunize you

owning the media doesn't immunize you

this is THE test of whether America truly is dead.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:41 PM
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29. Informing 2 members and making them vow secrecy does not make it OK.
In what sense is it Congressional approval to do that? It's like when they defied people to name those who had been spied on under the Patriot Act, knowing full well it would be illegal to answer, and then saying "See, they can't even name one example!" Assholes.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:33 PM
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33. Congress can't repeal constitutional amendments.
Of course, you knew that.

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:23 AM
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44. Did you notice how he made the reporter
repeat the question before he answered it? He did the same thing a few days ago when a woman asked him about the false links he made between Iraq & 9/11. This is classic Bush - if you ask him a question that makes him uncomfortable, he will try to make you feel uncomfortable too.
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Prefix Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:15 AM
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2. that was the most important question
he didn't quite take the reporter's bait, i.e. trap him into outing himself as a fascist, but the reaction was quite telling.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:17 PM
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16. Hi Prefix!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:15 AM
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3. Yes, he said the famous, "I reject that!" I want to buy the reporter who
asked it a drink!

Awesome! MKJ
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:16 AM
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4. *lol* I thought you wanted to buy the reporter, as so many have been
bought and paid for as of late.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:16 AM
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6. I can't afford a reporter, LOL. n/t
MKJ
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:19 AM
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9. True, they don't come cheap
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:22 AM
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10. We should start a market to bid on questions
or pool our bucks and buy a mainstream reporter.

Maybe we should contact the New York Times and ask how much they were paid to pretend Judy Miller was a reporter.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:43 PM
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30. I think Judy Miller is cheap
now that she's unemployed. :evilgrin:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:16 AM
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5. who asked that?
I hope someone can ID the asker.
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Prefix Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:18 AM
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7. another thread named him- Peter Baker
nm
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:22 PM
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21. I bet his phone will be tapped shortly
in the interests of national security, of course.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:19 AM
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8. He whiffed the answer...
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 11:20 AM by C_U_L8R
seems he thinks his oath is an official "check and balance"

the one thing he has totally avoided is speaking about the role of the judiciary.
I assumes that congress gave him permission to wiretap.....
but he need subpoenas... from a court.

Is he deluded or is he deceiving ????
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:26 AM
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14. Deceiving AND deluded... but in this case
more deceiving than deluded. He certainly is deluded in that he feels he is entitled to unbridled power, but in this case he is trying to make the American people believe a lie... that it was legal for him to engage in domestic spying. He knows better!
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:23 AM
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11. Unchecked Power? That would be Laura
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:24 AM
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12. LOL ya you could see his skin
just poke up! The more defensive posture of W I've ever seen. He knows he's a smuck and the American people don't approve.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:25 AM
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13. ** sees enemies everywhere. What a paranoid little worm.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:35 AM
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15. He's already made it clear he wants uncheaked power.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:21 PM
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18. Germany 1934
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 01:22 PM
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24. he also liked to speak surrounded by military audiences.
He would don military garb for such speeches, but unlike bush, he didn't shirk his duty. He actually fought at the front.

The world is smarter now. I don't think bush can continue his Lebensraum unchecked.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:01 PM
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25. Bush is always smirking, a sign of FOOLING US and getting away with it
To FOOL is to RULE
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:13 PM
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26. I want to see that smirk at the Hague.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:32 PM
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28. Me too and perhaps 6 Billion others
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:24 PM
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38. He is forcing a constitutional crisis here. He seems sure congress
will not impeach him. If he is not impeached he will have absolute power, he will be "The Dictator." Congress needs to stand up to him.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:59 PM
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39. Delusional Arrogance: as in the past, all those infected surely FAIL
But then, the peeps suffer untold misery because they let it slide too long. Pathetically sad.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:24 AM
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40. I have written my congressman and told him to stand up
against bush or pack his bags.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:24 AM
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45. Bush is too easy, its his Backers, the Pub party that put him there
Its THEY that gatta go....
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:32 AM
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46. Why have a congress at all?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:37 AM
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47. I guess its something called JOBS....what would they do? LOL
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:49 AM
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48. That's right, they have no marketable skills.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:51 AM
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49. Think of what it would do to the UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS....
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:20 PM
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50. Let's see them have to eat day old bread and drink cheap malt liquor.
I want to see them shopping at Shoe Carnival.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 05:51 PM
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51. Bush would look bad cause the unemployment numbers would go up
He can't have that can he?

So the Pub machine woiuld continue the status quo and keep on bilking the people...making believe they know what they doing when in fact...they don know shit.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 07:15 PM
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52. What they know doesn't relate to reality
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:07 AM
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53. Just enough to get elected/re-elected......thats about it.
only a few actually know whats going on and do the job the best way they know how....they be mostly DEMs.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 01:55 PM
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55. They are so enamored with the business world, they
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 01:55 PM by alfredo
tried to apply its rules to government. Business is not democratic, it is totalitarian.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:26 PM
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56. Bush is confirmation/proof/prime example.......him being MBA an all...LOL
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 11:27 PM by opihimoimoi
answer to : Alfredo
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 11:40 PM
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57. He doesn't even have good experience in business. He'd run a business
into the ground then his daddy's rich buddies would bail him out. No wonder he has faith in the business world.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:27 AM
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58. This guy would go broke selling snow cones in a crowed desert...
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 10:28 AM by opihimoimoi
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:38 AM
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59. Here's the gold standard of trust:
Would you buy a used car from him?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:31 AM
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60. LOL, only the demented or the Lolos would....
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 06:51 PM
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31. Ah yes, you bring to mind my sig line of last year
It's not 2003, it's not even 1984. It's 1934 and I am NOT a good German.

I had them pegged as fascists from mid 2003. I'm sure others here had them pegged from even earlier. It's the sheeple who will hopefully be jolted into recognition.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:21 AM
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43. Some Germans remained Brainwashed even til the Fall...ready to die
till the last man.....such is the power to sway the mind....
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:20 PM
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17. Why are they going to let him get away with it? I am listening to
Feingold and he is saying all the Pres needs to do is come to them and tell them that he needs the law changed, etc. WHY ARE THEY LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH BREAKING THE LAW?????

HE NEEDS TO BE THROWN OUT (then jailed).

end of :rant:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:33 PM
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23. An ordinary American can be jailed for carrying a couple of
joints while Bush remains in power despite numerous illegal acts.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 03:18 PM
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27. WHAT IN THE HELL is Feingold THINKING?? Change the LAW?
To allow spying on American citizens?? Feingold needs to go back and read the damned constitution!!! We're (the OWNERS of the Constitution) NOT going to change any such fucking law!!! Don't even go there!!

:kick:
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:02 PM
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34. I'm pretty sure that Feingold was saying that *if* there was a problem
the law as it stood, then Bush, rather than breaking the law, should have requested that congress fix the law. He wasn't actually suggesting himself that the law needed changing, only that there was a legal way for Bush to solve any problem that he thought there was with the law.

But that is all academic, as there really wasn't a problem with the law, the problem is with Bush.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:19 AM
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42. They couldn't get it changed
Gonzales admitted in his press conference that they didn't change the FISA law because Congressional leaders told them these changes would not be approved. He said this. So he's basically admitting that if Congress won't change to make it legal, Bush will go ahead and do it anyway.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 12:21 PM
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19. We know that asshole had his toes crossed when he was taking
the Oath of Office. None of it matters to him--he's an amoral scumbag.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 07:29 PM
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32. K & R. Favorite thread from the live talk during the press conference.
He got all vaklempt...it was a beautiful thing. MKJ
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:25 PM
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35. "I am not a dictator"
Nixon, 1973: "I am not a crook"

Bush, Dec. 19, 2005: "I am not a dictator"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:29 PM
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36. From Blah3.com Catapulting the Propaganda
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 10:31 PM by bigtree
http://blah3.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=927

Bush today:
"To say `unchecked power' basically is ascribing some kind of dictatorial position to the president, which I strongly reject," he said angrily in a finger-pointing answer. "I am doing what you expect me to do, and at the same time, safeguarding the civil liberties of the country."


"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas. (Governing Magazine 7/98)
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/2002/10/29_Dictator.html

"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." CNN.com, December 18, 2000
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it."Business Week, July 30, 2001
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jul2001/nf20010730_347.htm

"You Have To Keep Repeating Things To Catapult The Propaganda"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/05/25/BL2005052501250.html

"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
AUDIO: http://www.newsgateway.ca/Bush_propaganda_quote.htm
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 10:30 PM
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37. The video is on CrooksandLiars
That question really got him. I love his response. To paraphrase, it's OK since I did it. You can trust me. I'm the President.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:26 AM
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41. a hit dog squeals first
ain't that the truth, ruth!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 03:46 AM
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54. Chimpy's paranioa set in. His "What you talkin' 'bout Willis?" moment.
I'd love to see that again on the Daily Show.
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