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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:05 PM
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Robertson Calls Evolution A "Cultish Religion"
On the Dec. 15 edition of Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club, host and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson called evolution a "cultish religion."

Robertson was reacting to a http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-evolution16dec16,1,6097507.story?coll=la-headlines-nation%5C">ruling by a federal judge that it was unconstitutional for Cobb County, Georgia, to require the placement of stickers in biology textbooks, reading: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

That decision is currently under review in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit.

Rather than have a serious debate on evolution vs. intelligent design, or even lay out a serious argument in favor of the sticker, Robertson instead turned to smear tactics and name calling.

ROBERTSON: You know, what we have got to recognize just there in this case is that the evolutionists worship atheism. I mean, that's their religion. And evolution becomes their religion. It is a matter of religion. So this is an establishment of religion contrary to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. And the fact that somebody comes along and says, "We are not sure that it's accurate, it's a theory and not a fact" -- how can you say it's a fact? You are talking about 10 to 15 billion years ago. Who was there?

TERRY MEEUWSEN (co-host): Scientifically, you would think that the scientific community would rise to the occasion and say, "Absolutely, let's keep an open mind. Let's continue to discover and search."

ROBERTSON: Yeah, well, a lot of scientists are. More and more are. They are saying there are just too many things that can't be explained by evolution. But, I mean, these fanatics, I mean, it is a religion, it is a cult. It is cultish religion, and whenever you start talking about the origins of life, you now get into religious matter, and theirs is just as much religion. The only difference is that even questioning, questioning that -- the ACLU says even if you question our religion, you are guilty of violating the First Amendment. I mean, give me a break.

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Without giving Robertson's lunacy too much consideration, how should scientists -- even ones with an open mind -- "discover and search," as co-host Meeuwsen suggests?

Intelligent design suggests a higher power -- not necessarily God -- had a hand in "designing" the universe as we know it today.

The problem? There's no way to scientifically prove the theory. Why? Because it's not a scientific theory. It's a belief system.

And as a belief system -- as something that can be taught in a religious school, or spoken about by a religious leader to a congregation -- the belief system may make a lot of sense. It's not far-fetched to think that in the United States -- one of the most religiously grounded nations on earth -- a vast majority of Americans believe in God, and believe that God created the universe.

But even if the majority of Americans believe this, it doesn't make the belief a scientific theory.

Scientists don't just trust evolution as a scientific theory. They test it. And test it. And they make revisions, such as the discovery last week of ancient bones that show humans lived in northern Europe 200,000 years earlier than previously thought.

There's no way to scientifically test "intelligent design." Robertson probably knows this, but it's easier to smear those that disagree with him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Robertson soon predicts disaster will strike scientists who believe in evolution, much like the apocalyptic warnings he suggested may strike the citizens of Dover, Pa., after they voted their school board out of office for supporting “intelligent design.”

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This item first appeared at Journalists Against Bush's B.S.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:06 PM
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1. I think Bush support is a cultish religion
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:06 PM
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2. Pat Robertson is just plain batshit crazy. n/t
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:08 PM
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5. A evil and delusional man
who will soon be wearing diapers

(or maybe he does now... could be why he's so mean)
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:11 PM
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11. I think that there is more truth in this statement than meaness
I am beginning to suspect that he has an organic mental disease. He has stepped down from Regent University (my uncle was on the board and is a good friend of Robertson's but won't discuss his recent craziness). I think that Robertson is doing a Regan on us only he doesn't have a loving Nancy to protect him. If so, my heart goes out to his family. I only hope that he doesn't do too much damage on his way down.

Now, what's Dobson's excuse?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:16 PM
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20. Uh, this isn't Alzheimer's
Alzheimer's is when you go out the front door to get the newspaper and forget where you live.

This man has just driven himself totally crazy with hatred.

He follows Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and every other monster the world has ever known.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:17 PM
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22. He was always a bit unbalanced
but recently he is over the top. That he has been forced to resign from so many organizations that he built makes me think that it is more than hate. This guy has been full for hate for decades.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:14 PM
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18. I know of
other Christians who want him to be quiet and when he started badmouthing Dover, Pennsylvania on this board I go quite a good bit of people were saying he gives Christianity a bad name. He does.
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:08 PM
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3. Pat Robertson went to Yale
Can you believe it?
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:12 PM
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12. I'm beginning to think that being from Yale is the sign of the Beast!
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:13 PM
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16. I don't know if he was in Skull & Bones
That would be wild.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:16 PM
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21. His dad was a big time state politician in Virginia
So maybe he was one of the secret elite
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GatoLover Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:26 PM
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26. A United States Senator, no less!
It is shocking what comes out of the Reverend's mouth. I do hope it's not mental illness, though.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:28 PM
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27. Better mentally ill than just an evil bastard tool of satan!
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:11 AM
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33. Are you kidding?
I heard a tape of his (long, long time ago) where he touted his "humble" upbringing in a "simple" family.

OK, I'll buy into the "simple" part, but probably not in the way that he meant it.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:08 PM
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4. Shove it Pat. Evolutionists do not worship atheism
Intelligent Design is having trouble catching on even in Christian colleges because many Christians don't see the conflict with evolution. So said the newspaper, anyway. (I think it was the NYT.)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:26 PM
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23. What is an "evolutionist", anyways?
Are they graduates in advanced evolutionology? There are many disciplines that use evolution as a principle.

Microbiologists, geneticists, botanists, epidemiologists and zoologists AS WELL AS archaeologists and paleontologists all use evolution as a tool.

Check out Doonesbury:
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:09 PM
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6. You should read the book 'Tower of Babel'...
it's all about the war on science (Christ now I sound like oreilly, but I don't know what else to call it). These assholes must not have much respect for any religion if they consider a scientific belief system to be comporable. Robertson should stick to peddling diet pancake mix and declaring "patwas" on the leaders of free nations, leave religion to the rest of us!:rant:
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:09 PM
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7. ROFLMAO!
THIS is what a cultish religion looks like, Pat:

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:14 PM
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17. Poor Jesus.
I don't think he knew what he was going to stand for in the milleniums that followed.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:26 PM
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25. Holy Shit!...
:spray: Now there's a Christmas card to send to my fundie relatives..."Happy Holidays from supply-side Jesus":rofl:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:10 PM
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8. Remember when we used to think he was an idiot that
no one but crazy people would listen to? I guess we should have payed more attention.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:10 PM
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9. Pat Opens Mouth. Flaming Monkeys Bearing Buckets O Mindbending BS Fly Out.
Rinse. Repeat.
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:10 PM
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10. Hey Pat, how about a nice glass of STFU
"You know, what we have got to recognize just there in this case is that the evolutionists worship atheism. I mean, that's their religion. "

What a tool. I know plenty of Christians (and other religions) conservative and liberal who know what science is, but apparently Pat Robertson missed that class.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:12 PM
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13. A belief in science is a cultish religion???
:eyes:

So I guess all those believers in gravity are just crackpot, religious fanatics! :shrug:

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:34 PM
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28. Yep
And I guess when my grandfather worked for NASA he was apart of a cult? He was an elder and preacher at his church for twenty-seven years. Oy!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:13 PM
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14. Then I should be exempt from taxes!
"It is a religion" Ok Pat :eyes: if Evolution is a religion then I deserve the same tax exempt status that you do you sniveling little twit.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:13 PM
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15. Oh good grief
And how old is Robertson? Not every person who believes in evolution is an athiest! I'm a Christian and believe in evolution because I know what it's about! It's the how something happened with our system whether our planet or universe. The ignorance in this country always amazes me. When I study evolution because I believe in God I believe I'm studying what God has done. It doesn't mean I'm an athiest. Please excuse me while I go and bang my head against the wall.... :banghead:
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:15 PM
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19. It's called projection, Pat
nt
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:26 PM
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24. Who was there?
ROBERTSON: And the fact that somebody comes along and says, "We are not sure that it's accurate, it's a theory and not a fact" -- how can you say it's a fact? You are talking about 10 to 15 billion years ago. Who was there?

Who was there to witness pre-history? By definition, we have no written records from people who were there. Perhaps all archaeology textbooks and all geology textbooks need disclaimer stickers?

Some things that are not remote in time are nevertheless remote in space. Who has been on Mars? A space probe is not a "who." Perhaps photographs of the Martian surface need disclaimer stickers on them?

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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:36 PM
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29. They need a sticker in every Bible
"This textbook contains material on creation. Creation is a belief, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."
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JABBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:00 AM
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35. actually
that's not the problem. they can teach whatever they want in Sunday school. Just not in public school.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:43 PM
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30. It's the CULT of SCIENCE! Those people are CRAZY!
Edited on Mon Dec-19-05 11:44 PM by GOPBasher
That cult called Scientists are totally crazy! I agree with Robertson. They believe in magic machines called "vehicles" that can move us around without horses! They believe in magic machines that can sit in our living rooms and allow us to communicate with each other from long distance. They believe in something called "medicine" that supposedly heals people when they're sick! Pat's totally right! They're totally nuts!
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 11:54 PM
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31. Psychologists call that "projection."
Remember "Sore Loserman" trying to steal the 2000 election? Or the questions raised about Kerry's honorable wartime service by those who never served (or who blithely skipped out on their easier NG duty)?

Why is it that right wingers are so prone to that phenomenon?
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:00 AM
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32. Yo Pat, give me a buzz,
I think I found the rock you crawled out from under.
:patriot:
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 12:14 AM
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34. Wow - what a case of projection.
AND the pot calling the kettle black.

What a maroon.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:22 AM
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36. What a wacko.

Then again, he published an anti-Semitic book in 1988 and generally imagines himself to live in pre-Enlightenment times.

I'd guess minor strokes that have wiped out serious amounts of cerebral cortex. It makes for paranoid and hateful ravings
when the strokee feels himself losing control. And irrational perversions of logic. McCain has some of that, btw.

Pat Robertson has what Americans believe. Evolutionary biologists have a planetful of evidence.

If the likes of Robertson could admit that they traffic in psychological stuff, rather than the physical universe, it would be
easy for him and Science to coexist. But the idiot and his ilk absolutely have to overreach. And if you look at the theology
that Creationism represents, it's not even Christian in origin, that's the saddest part of the scam.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-20-05 01:23 AM
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37. I'm sure he calls the contitution a cultish religion
Not to mention the earth being round.
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