John Dean: "Bush is the first president in history to publically admit..."

[berni_mccoy]

"To an IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE" as quoted by Senator Boxer.

She also said The Senat WILL Consider IMPEACHMENT SERIOUSLY.

This is on Tavis Smiley now!

[buddysmellgood]

1. If only there were a blow job involved.

[Erika]

5. Yeah if it's not about sex the GOP don't care

We can be lied into a war, but if no sex is involved, they don't care.

[Lindacooks]

14. You're giving the GOP too much credit. If chimpy got a blow

job and lied about it, you can damn well be sure the Repukes would be yammering on about 'personal privacy' and 'it's his own business'. They're not going to see one of their own subpoened, let alone impeached.

[ogradda]

6. Yeah no kidding.

We'd hear screams of outrage over that no doubt.

[niyad]

8. who was the DU poster with the sig that read, "will somebody PLEASE

give him a blowjob so we can impeach him already"? I really liked that one, and we had many discussions on who would be the sacrificial lamb.

several gay friends volunteered.

[buddysmellgood]

18. That would truly be well beyond the call of duty.

[fooj]

2. I guess so!!!

If we don't hold the rat bastard accountable we might as well call it a day. It'll be completely over for this country.

Peace.

[AspenRose]

3. I can't make up my mind if he's really that STUPID....or if he's really

that ARROGANT.

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. You don't have to choose --

he's both.

[MnFats]

4. well,they damn well MUST begin impeachment proceedings!

he took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and he went out and, excuse me, defacated all over it.


it reminds me of something i once heard a judge tell rapist cop right before sending him to prison: "You took an oath of office and you violated it for evil purposes."

[Newsjock]

9. Where is a link to Dean's actual words?

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but I've seen about 20 different postings that quote Boxer saying Dean says this, but I've not seen any direct link to Dean's words. Can someone oblige?

[berni_mccoy]

10. Not sure, I just saw it on Tavis Smiley... no link yet, but I'll search

[REP]

11. Here

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/05/12/ale05173.htm

Boxer Asks Presidential Scholars about Former White House Counsel's Statement that Bush Admitted to an "Impeachable Offense"

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT

News from the Sen. Boxer's office:

Washington, D.C.– U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) today asked four presidential scholars for their opinion on former White House Counsel John Dean’s statement that President Bush admitted to an "impeachable offense" when he said he authorized the National Security Agency to spy on Americans without getting a warrant from a judge.

Boxer said, "I take very seriously Mr. Dean's comments, as I view him to be an expert on Presidential abuse of power. I am expecting a full airing of this matter by the Senate in the very near future."

Boxer’s letter is as follows:

On December 16, along with the rest of America, I learned that President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to spy on Americans without getting a warrant from a judge. President Bush underscored his support for this action in his press conference today.


On Sunday, December 18, former White House Counsel John Dean and I participated in a public discussion that covered many issues, including this surveillance. Mr. Dean, who was President Nixon’s counsel at the time of Watergate, said that President Bush is “the first President to admit to an impeachable offense.” Today, Mr. Dean confirmed his statement.

This startling assertion by Mr. Dean is especially poignant because he experienced first hand the executive abuse of power and a presidential scandal arising from the surveillance of American citizens.

Given your constitutional expertise, particularly in the area of presidential impeachment, I am writing to ask for your comments and thoughts on Mr. Dean’s statement.

Unchecked surveillance of American citizens is troubling to both me and many of my constituents. I would appreciate your thoughts on this matter as soon as possible.

Sincerely,

Barbara Boxer
United States Senator

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ALERT

[donheld]

12. You mean anal sex isn't impeachable???

* has been screwing the lot of us for 5 years now.

[RoveBlowsDogs]

13. So then, if he pleads anything other than guilty

Would that make it perjury? (sp?)

That is, GWB came out and said that yes, he did precisely that criminal act in question (illegal wiretaps and its ilk) in a premeditated fashion. Ok, so now, since there is no question that this is a crime, if there is any justice left, he'll be tried, and at that time, does he have any choice but to admit guilt?

[loyalsister]

15. We have to take lessons from Germany

And be very careful how we handle this.

The wisdom of Dr. Goerbels The bigger the lie the easier it is to get people to believe it."

We should be cautious and potentially find an analogy. "The bigger the crime the more likely they will forgive."

Here is why. A significant number of people trusted Bush to begin with for some strange reason. They believe he is sincere about his religious beliefs. People very often do not have the depth of awareness of government required to fully understand the delicate relationship between rights and security. I really worry that the people who are caught in the double whammy outnumber us. It will be hard for them to believe that Bush would commit a serious crime or tell a serious lie unless there was a good reason to do so. In that case, it just might be forgivable- because he truly was trying to keep us safe.
I think that this just something we have to overcome. If this actually does happen, we need to think about how to do that when talking with skeptics.
To extend my analogy, consider the fact that there is such a thing as "justifiable homicide." AND, it is on the agenda in the Missouri state legislature.

HB 1103 Jones, Kenny
Creates a presumption in certain circumstances that a person using deadly force has a reasonable fear of death or harm and allows that person immunity in certain circumstances for use of defensive force (LR# 3170L.01I)

SB 571 - Cauthorn - Modifies the law on using justifiable force to protect persons and property

[Nothing Without Hope]

16. Evidence that BUSH KNEW HE WAS BREAKING THE LAW and

GONZALES PLANNED TO LIE ABOUT IT:

he KNEW he was breaking the law - THIS THREAD HAS THE PROOF:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5643625
thread title (12/20 GD): April 2004: Bush tells audiences Wiretaps Require a Court Order

This was in April 2004, in a Q & A session. Here's an excerpt of what Bush said:

THE PRESIDENT: Let me -- that's a great question. A couple of things that are very important for you to understand about the Patriot Act. First of all, any action that takes place by law enforcement requires a court order. In other words, the government can't move on wiretaps or roving wiretaps without getting a court order.

Now, we've used things like roving wiretaps on drug dealers before. Roving wiretaps mean you change your cell phone. And yet, we weren't able to use roving wiretaps on terrorists. And so what the Patriot Act said is let's give our law enforcement the tools necessary, without abridging the Constitution of the United States, the tools necessary to defend America.

This does tend to support the idea that HE WANTED TO SHUT DOWN THE NYT ARTICLE …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5641346
thread title (12/19 GD): BREAKING: SHRUB MET WITH NYT EDITORS IN LAST-DITCH EFFORT TO STOP SPYGATE
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD BROKEN THE LAW AND HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

Furthermore, as this fine American Progress compilation on Spygate shows, Gonzales appears to have lied - under oath -about exactly this sort of extralegal Presidential caper in his Jan 2005 confirmation hearings:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5643708
thread title (12/20 GD): AmProg"The Truth About Bush's Warrantless Spying" (& Gonzo planned to LIE)

[AntiCoup2K4]

17. Open memo to Jimmy Jeff GannonGuckert

Come on Jeffy....

You know you did him. We know you did him. Come out with the story, for your country's sake and all will be forgiven.

Well, except that horrible crap you called "Journalism". It would be asking too much to excuse that. :evilgrin:

[WI_DEM]

19. Schrub probably didn't even realize it when he admitted it

IMPEACH BUSH.

[mandyky]

20. He'll probably claim he did NOT have a lawyer present!

LOL
What can we expect from a just dept that says the Geneva Convention is quaint?