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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 01:53 PM
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bwah-ha-ha! Tucker Carlson calls Bush a "Bad Prez", criticizes spying
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/#survey

Bush may be a bad president, but this isn't a police state, not even close. (To claim otherwise is to insult the world's many genuine police states.) But I'm still bothered by the NSA story. Here's why:

Why didn't the Administration bother to get warrants for the wiretapping? Bush's aides claim there wasn't time; the terror threats were so pressing, bureaucratic niceties could have been dangerous. Sounds good, except that the 1978 law that governs federal eavesdropping allows the government to apply for a warrant after the wiretap has already been conducted. So that's not a serious excuse.

-snip-

There are circumstances when the country's interests take priority over its laws. But by definition such circumstances are temporary. In the long term -- for instance, in the four years since 9-11 -- a president either has to obey the laws or change them. If Bush believes that the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is incompatible with fighting the war on terror, he should ask Congress to scrap it.

Unfortunately that is not Bush's way. Bush distrusts rhetoric. He hates to explain and persuade. He'd prefer to decide and delegate. So instead of taking the time to convince members of Congress -- and for that matter the public -- that the government needs to start spying on Americans, he went ahead and did it in secret...... There's no evidence the NSA hurt anyone. But the principle is troubling. Do we really want to empower the president to ignore Congress, our most democratic institution? Bush's defenders aren't bothered by the idea because they trust Bush. But Bush won't be in office forever.

Will they feel the same way when Hillary is president?



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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 01:56 PM
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1. Bowtie Boy's heart got broken over the Harriet Miers nom
Maybe there was a little Katrina remorse too. . .at any rate, has not been happy with Bush ever since, and always seems like he in on the verge of tears.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:03 PM
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5. Actually, since Iraq - in 2004 he said he wasn't voting for Bush.
He had also been disgusted by an interview that he did with Bush abd Bush was laughing about putting Carla Faye Tucker to death.

Tucker is kind of a middle-of-the-road Republican but he's still a major asshole because of his rotten personality and his stance on many other issues.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:46 PM
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14. Right. Tucker has never really liked Bush.
He didn't like the Iraq War either.

Karen Hughes lied straight to his face about something that they had both been present for (the Carla Faye Tucker interview with Tucker) so he knows how full of shit the Bush team really is.

That certainly doesn't mean he likes Democrats (except Rachel) though. As we have frequently pointed out, the Bush Administration isn't actually conservative and isn't like the old-time Republicans.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 01:58 PM
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2. I still don't trust Tucker
Maybe it's that bow tie . . .
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:02 PM
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3. Stop Sign
"There's no evidence the NSA hurt anyone."

Is this the new standard of legal reasoning in "ConWorld".

"Well your honor, I did break the law. But I didn't hurt anyone..."

I'll try that the next time I "slide" through a red light in the middle of the night on a deserted street.
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Karmageddon Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:18 PM
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8. Tucker should try the "no evidence it hurt anyone" when he gets busted....
... sucking on a 3 foot Graphix bong and see how well that works for him.

Of course, there's no evidence that a "bong" is what Tucker will be sucking on.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:37 PM
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12. LOL n/t
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:33 PM
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25. That's the new Conservative defense......
"We didn't break any really important laws, so it's okay!

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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:44 PM
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13. As Nelson Muntz said...
"It's a victimless crime... like punching somebody in the dark."



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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:38 PM
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18. In the super secret world of ConWorld, it's innocent until leaked
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:59 PM
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21. No evidence it hurt anyone!!!!
1. Of course not. The evidence is all secret. How about showing us some evidence that it didn't hurt anyone? When a large conspiratorial group is breaking the law continuously for several years, the far more likely presumption is that they are hurting someone.

2. Shit-canning the constitution and the rule of law does hurt someone. It hurts everyone!
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:03 PM
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4. Flip, flop ... flip, flop ... F***er just bends with the trends ...
If *'s numbers go up again, he'll be back on the bandwagon. No spine whatsoever. As Vanity Fair called him, "a yappy vacuum."
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:05 PM
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6. Yup, that's his m.o. - he's desperate to stay on the air
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:06 PM
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23. That's evidenced by his left-hand "countdown" of coming stories
Anyone who ISN'T afraid of viewers tuning out wouldn't bother with that ... I only watch that show to see Rachel Maddow and then I tune out (like probably everybody!).
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:08 PM
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7. Lengthening days have Tucker glimpsing the LIGHT?
NAH! It's just a bit of indigestion, something he ate. Perhaps that bit of potato soup...That's it. It's just a Humbug! Humbug!!!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:24 PM
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9. Maybe Keith Olbermann and his staff have been talking to
the bow-tie boy.

I know Tucker thought the world of Keith - or so it appeared - when he first joined MSNBC, so maybe Keith's common sense has rubbed off on the little feckless one.

:shrug:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:34 PM
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10. I believe Tucker Carlson has temporarily borrowed some courage from
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 02:35 PM by Uncle Joe
this MSNBC poll with 87,405 responses as of a few minutes ago with 86% voting for impeachment regarding wiretapping Americans without court approval.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:35 PM
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11. a better link to tucker's "blog"
they seem to have removed it from the survey page. So now it is here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063569/
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:47 PM
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15. I still can't stand Tucker, because of statements like this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063569/

"Domestic surveillance saves lives. That's the administration's position. Most Americans seem to agree."

Uh, he pulled that straight out of his ass.

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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 02:49 PM
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16. Typical / And Then he will go out and vote for him /
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:00 PM
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17. If only I gave two turds about what Tucker thought...
n/t
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:45 PM
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19. I've always assumed Tucker had a heart, at least
Unlike so many on the right, he does appear to have limits to what his heart, and his stomach, can handle.

His account

http://www.dangerouscitizen.com/Photo+Gallery/568.aspx

of how Chimpy depicted the soon-to-be-sentenced Karla Faye Tucker is still bone-chilling, and I'm fairly sure that was the intent:


While driving back from the speech later that day, Bush mentions Karla Faye Tucker, a double murderer who was executed in Texas last year. In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, Bianca Jagger and a number of other protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Tucker. 'Did you meet with any of them?' I ask.

Bush whips around and stares at me. 'No, I didn't meet with any of them,' he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. 'I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with , though. He asked her real difficult questions, like 'What would you say to Governor Bush?' 'What was her answer?' I wonder.

'Please,' Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, 'don't kill me.'

I must look shocked -- ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel, even for someone as militantly anticrime as Bush -- because he immediately stops smirking.

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centristo Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 03:49 PM
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20. the best response to Bushbots spying defesnse-

"Will they feel the same way when Hillary is president?"

If they say yes, they are full of shiite.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:34 PM
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22. Poor Rachel Maddow
She's got her hands full with him, trying to get him to come to the light.

You KNOW he knows she's right, deep down.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 06:26 PM
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24. I always thought the he was;
A closet (not me, un huh) liberterian!
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:34 PM
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26. The evidence is hardly in.......
How does Carlson know no one got hurt?
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:06 PM
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27. tucker is a big time weinie
but every once in a great while he makes at least a little bit of sense
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