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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:04 PM
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Former NSA Intelligence Analyst & Action Officer - wants to talk
Recieved this from Ms. Edmonds through email. Not on the NSWBC web site yet.http://www.nswbc.org/press.htm

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE- December 21, 2005



Former NSA Intelligence Analyst & Action Officer Urges to be Heard by Congress Regarding Unlawful Conduct by NSA


Russ Tice, former National Security Agency (NSA) intelligence analyst and action officer, has sent the following two letters to the chairs of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. Mr. Tice intends to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while he was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency (NSA) and with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). These acts involved the Director of the National Security Agency, the Deputies Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, and the U.S. Secretary of Defense, and were conducted via very highly sensitive intelligence programs and operations known as Special Access Programs (SAP). SAP programs and operations are more commonly referred to as “black world” programs and operations. Mr. Tice was a technical intelligence specialist dealing almost exclusively with SAP programs and operations at both NSA and DIA.



Mr. Tice stated: “As a Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) officer it is continually drilled into us that the very first law chiseled in the SIGINT equivalent of the Ten Commandments (USSID-18) is that Thou shall not spy on American persons without a court order from FISA. This law is continually drilled into each NSA intelligence officer throughout his or her career. The very people that lead the National Security Agency have violated this holy edict of SIGINT." A pivotal question in this case is whether Americans were being spied on via a vacuum cleaner approach wherein vast amounts of information are sucked in. FISA warrants require a name of the target and would not cover such a mass approach. He also added: “In addition to knowing this fundamental commandment of not violating the civil rights of Americans, intelligence officers are required to take an oath to protect the United States Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. It is with my oath as a US intelligence officer weighing heavy on my mind that I wish to report to congress acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional. The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state.”



"These actions by the current administration are a compulsion to secrecy, an expansive view of presidential authority, and reluctance to answer to the people and Congress. Woodrow Wilson, himself no novice concerning secrecy, claimed that it is a 'fair presumption that secrecy means impropriety'. That is a presumption that we have been called upon to suspend in the name of national security, but with recent disclosures that suspended judgment appears to have been unwise. We urge the congress to hold hearings and let patriotic witnesses like Russ Tice testify,” stated Sibel Edmonds, the director of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC).



Michael Ostrolenk, National Director of the Liberty Coalition agrees with Mrs. Edmonds and stated further “I am glad to know that Mr. Tice takes his oath to the Constitution seriously. He obviously knows that his obligation is not to this or any Administration but to our Republican form of government with its proper checks and balances and to protect the rights it was instituted to secure.” He continued “This is less about a particular Administration and more about the natural tendency for government to become destructive to the very ends it was created to fulfill. I hope that Congress takes it oversight responsibilities seriously and investigates Mr. Tice’s allegations in an open and non-partisan manner.”



Here is the letter by Mr. Tice, sent on Dec 18, 2005, to the Senate & House Intelligence Committee:

Dear Chairman Roberts,



Under the provisions of the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while I was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency (NSA) and with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). These acts involve the Director of the National Security Agency, the Deputies Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, and the U.S. Secretary of Defense.

These probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts were conducted via very highly sensitive intelligence programs and operations known as Special Access Programs (SAP)s. I was a technical intelligence specialist dealing almost exclusively with SAP programs and operations at both NSA and DIA.

Due to the highly sensitive nature of these programs and operations, I will require assurances from your committee that the staffers and/or congressional members to participate retain the proper security clearances, and also have the appropriate SAP cleared facilities available for these discussions.

Please inform me when you require my appearance on Capitol Hill to conduct these discussions in relation to this ICWPA report.



Very Respectfully,





Russell D. Tice

Former Intelligence Officer, NSA











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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:10 PM
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1. Damn!
Just...Damn!

The 'damn' may be breaking!

(Uh...Russ...have someone else start your car for the next few weeks...)

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:15 PM
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6. AND stay off of small airplanes, look over your shoulder
wherever you go and let an enemy test-taste your food BEFORE you eat it!:7
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:11 PM
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2. Wow! This is some pretty heavy duty stuff:
He also added: “In addition to knowing this fundamental commandment of not violating the civil rights of Americans, intelligence officers are required to take an oath to protect the United States Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. It is with my oath as a US intelligence officer weighing heavy on my mind that I wish to report to congress acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional. The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state.”


:wow:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:11 PM
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3. How legitimate is this?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:19 PM
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10. It is legitimate. but remember that Bush is claiming a non-specific
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 04:20 PM by papau
war power to gather war intel over-rides 4th Amendment.

With the USSC with Alito on board soon we no doubt will have a Sup Ct that is willing to use the Constitution instead of Charmin.
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:57 PM
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23. Trust me...it's legit.
But does the MSM know about this yet?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 07:49 PM
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30. Russ Tice was mentioned in Sibel Edmonds' Vanity Fair article...
... in August. It talked about his story as well as a few other whistleblowers' though at that time, he hadn't made the charges he's making in this instance.

I think the NSWBC may be now going to try the shotgun approach of getting a lot of different whistleblowers to file lawsuits at the same time, or file grievances with congress, etc. That way, it would make it that much harder for the Bushies to appoint judge Walton to ALL of their cases. He's a bit busy now with Libby's case.

They just had a story on Mike German's lawsuit a few days ago too. At some point, if they get enough volume of stories out there that slip through the cracks, the MSM will have to confront these issues! Especially when the NSWBC really pushes hard in January to have more hearings on a newer Whistleblower protection bill to make up for the unstated and intentional deficiencies of the earlier bill that went through the House.
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:12 PM
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4. Don't look good for Dumya. nt
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:14 PM
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5. I can't believe that I am the only one to nominate this...
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:20 PM
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11. shit I would nominate this twice if I could -
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:21 PM
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12. I would but .......
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 04:22 PM by ThomWV
I've seen so much bullshit published that turned out to be not much more than a crude hoax.

Who is this guy? When was he employed, which section, who was his boss? How about the reporting source? I don't recognize them, do you?

By the way, I worked for the NSA a while back. At least at that time there was no job title "Analyst and whatever the fuck the rest of that was"
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:26 PM
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14. Here is what I found doing a quick google - he is real
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 04:30 PM by stop the bleeding
This is just a small part of the article - I did not read the whole thing...



Pentagon spokesmen declined to comment, citing a policy of not discussing personnel issues.
National Security Agency (NSA) official Russ Tice also had his top-secret clearance suspended after he reported suspicions that a female co-worker showed signs of being a Chinese spy.

Mr. Tice will face an NSA appeal board later this month, and he expects the agency to dismiss him. The supersecret agency conducts electronic eavesdropping and code-breaking.

Read more here….
  • 02/20/2005 Security access denial at issue -- Bill Gertz - washingtontimes.com





  • 2 more articles here for reference:
    http://www.pulsejournal.com/business/content/shared/news/nation/stories/05/05_WHISTLEBLOWER_FIRED.html
    http://federaltimes.com/index2.php?S=832118
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    BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 07:01 PM
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    27. This makes him an easy target to discredit...
    republican meme de jour re Tice: Sour Grapes!
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    kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:17 PM
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    7. K & R - this man's a real patriot!
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    marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:18 PM
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    8. Nominated - Wow, this is heavy.... n/t
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    marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:19 PM
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    9. I wonder if he was the source for the NY Times story?


    he seems like he was pretty high up & also pretty damned fearless!
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    ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:23 PM
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    13. Mr. Tice... I Salute You, But Are You SURE You Know What You're
    doing?? You are fooling around with some very very very dangerous, desperate people!

    I hope YOU make the BIG BANG and not THEM!!! Good Luck, America NEEDS you!!!
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    marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:27 PM
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    15. He apparently was fired by NSA last May for

    whistleblowing-related stuff...(googled him) it got some press attention...Seems like he might know a hell of a lot...
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    Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:29 PM
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    17. Deleted message
    Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
     
    stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:31 PM
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    18. see post # 14
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    EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:40 PM
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    22. Retaliation against a declared whistleblower is very bad....
    The whole group of whistleblowers should unite and write an expose on each event. Rowley, Singh, the guy in Phoenix, Edmunds, and now this guy ! Sheeesh, the gun is still smoking...

    We're slowly entering the Fourth Reich if something isn't done soon. Dems in '06 need to retake the House. "Not in OUR House" should be the battle cry !
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    Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:28 PM
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    16. K&R For a post on a similar line check out mine at
    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5669978

    Kinda makes meaning of the chimp saying we never intercepted domestic to domestic calls.
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    stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:33 PM
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    19. just checked it out and it is solid research
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    Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:29 PM
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    20. This man could provide the "smoking gun" testimony...
    ...to go with the bullet that shrub shot out of his mouth when he admitted to illegal acts.

    Always helps to have the details of an operation in order to convince the jury that the idiot actually did what he said he did. Especially if this turns out to be political spying cloaked as spying on terrorists.

    Didn't you always wonder how the Rethugs managed to keep in lockstep?
    Discipline or Blackmail?
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    EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 05:36 PM
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    21. I now fit the profile: I'm an American citizen on US soil. eom
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    whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 06:34 PM
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    24. This isn't even on the NSWBC web site yet
    Spread the word....after all....it IS Christmas!
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    BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 06:44 PM
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    25. WoW! No end in sight for Bushco troubles
    sounds like a man Conyers could use in testimony with regards to the Select Comitte he wants to convene to look for impeachable offenses!

    I think this time around it won't be in a basement...

    K. R. Bookmarked.

    Mr Tice : :patriot:
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    Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 06:53 PM
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    26. You, sir, should be posting more often.
    Damn good to see you here.
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    whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 07:21 PM
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    28. Why thank you...
    I used to years ago....just got busy.
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    whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 07:24 PM
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    29. Someone on D Kos found a new link
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    Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 07:54 PM
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    31. "... acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional ..."
    Please, let this be that he's going to spill the names of the targets of the wiretaps, and they turn out to be political enemies of bush. *fingers crossed, praying fervently*
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    autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 08:50 PM
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    32. Tice as in TruthTeller. This is amazing. Recommend. n/t
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    Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:23 AM
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    33. . Wish I could vote for this twice!
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    greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:03 AM
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    34. Will he still be alive to testify? n/t
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    Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:22 AM
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    36. I'm sure he's smart enough to have documented his story in case of an
    "accident."
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    hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:28 PM
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    38. My first thought exactly!..............
    He's dealing with spookier people than even Abramoff. Hopefully he is in an undisclosed secure location. To be making such a dramatic statement at this time is intriguing. Maybe the rest of the spook community has turned on the chimp.
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    DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:34 AM
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    35. K&R
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    Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:28 AM
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    37. Good luck getting Roberts to do a damn thing.
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