Iran Hails 'First Islamist Arab State': Iraq

[kpete]

Iran hails “first Islamist Arab state” in Iraq Fri. 23 Dec 2005

Iran Focus
24 December 2005

Tehran, Iran, Dec. 23 – The editorial of Iran’s leading hard-line daily hailed the outcome of Iraq’s parliamentary elections as “the creation of the first Islamist state in the Arab world”, and warned against “American plots” to prevent the formation of the new Iraqi government by Iranian-backed Shiite groups.

“Of the 275 seats in Iraq’s new parliament, 140 will belong to pious Islamists, 60 will be occupied by Kurds with excellent ties with Iran, and 40 will belong to Sunni Arabs, most of whom want a sovereign, Islamist state”, the daily Kayhan’s Saturday editorial noted. “The new government – including the President, the Prime Minister, the cabinet, the armed forces and the judiciary – will emerge from this new assembly”.

Kayhan said the election outcome will “increase pressures, both inside and outside the U.S., on Bush to withdraw American troops from Iraq”. “Bush will have to give in and withdraw the bulk of his forces from Iraq in the next few months”, the daily, which reflects the views of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, wrote.

The paper listed the consequences of American withdrawal from Iraq, describing the current situation in Iraq as “the biggest crisis America has faced in recent decades”.


http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5006
VIA:http://www.antiwar.com/

[acmavm]

1. Hey, does anyone but me recall some stray remarks by the clowns

in the bush** admin about not ever accepting a Islamist theocratic government in Iraq? Or am I just misremembering????

[Al-CIAda]

16. No, you are quite correct in remembering him (and others) saying that.

It was in response to criticism by those kooks and 'naysayers' in the reality based community.
Now the dumbasses and proagandists will shift into denial overdrive and champion this disaster as a triumph of 'freedom'.

[Wordie]

23. Well, everyone knows we were just being "defeatist" when we warned

that this would happen. (I hope someone reminds him of that "defeatist' comment, LOUDLY, when the establishment of a Shi'ia theocracy really does come to pass in Iraq. For that matter, let's start reminding him now.)

All we accomplished by going into Iraq, after all is said and done, was to strenghten the hand of one of the three members of what Bush himself defined as the "Axis of Evil." Does this make any sense?

[Old and In the Way]

33. For all of Hussein's faults, he managed to forge a relatively stable

and secular state. Wasn't that really in our best, long-term interests? To make Iraq more secular? We've increased the power of the RW religious fanatics who are marginalizing the moderate, sane middle. Sorta what's going on in our own society...abeit with a less physical violence. Long-term, I think Bush broke Iraq. It's going to be Balkanized; fractured geographically as client states for Iran, Turnkey, and Saudi Arabia. Regardless, our invasion and occupation destroyed Iraq's opportunity to transition from its current State, to a more moderate and secular, democratic voice.

If we really wanted Iraq to have a western style democracy, why did we destroy the infrastructure? We should have continued to squeeze Hussein until he was completely marginalized in the country. At the same time, we could have gone in with lots of $ to the Iraqi government and negotiated to repair the damage from DS1 and the embargo. That money would have had some strings, but look at the alternative investment we made....$300BB spent, 2100+ dead, facilitated Islamic Fundementalism's rise in Iraq and a country, region, world that hates and/or distrusts us.

[ComerPerro]

2. Well, consider the source. But I can tell you one thing:

If this is the case, conservatives will be proud and happy. Especially Bill OhReally.

He has been pushing for an end to secularism for quite a while now. I bet he would be really happy with a country based entirely on a religion.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Stoned

Marvelous. So we'll have spent hundreds of billions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives to establish a state where wishing your neighbor "Merry Christmas" will get you stoned to death in the public square.

Mission Accomplished!

[ComerPerro]

4. Ironic, isn't it, considering all their "war on Christmas" BS

And, meanwhile, here at home they are working toward having a society where not saying "Merry Christmas" to your neighbor can get you stoned.

[Richard Steele]

26. Indeed. And welcome to DU!

[Lefty48197]

5. We can have a Christian Nation, but they can't have an Islamic one?

Yeah. Christians have been so much more peaceful than Muslims over the centuries. :sarcasm:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. If I understand this correctly, we spent 2200 lives, 300 BILLION dollars

and countless thousands of battered, injured and shattered lives, just to have a radical Shia group take over Iraq, a group that wants nothing to do with the US?

You really have to hand it to KGB. He is doing a heck of a job.

[bvar22]

22. $300Billion is very low ball. Over $500Billion easy!

The actual costs are much higher:

*Billions in "Black Ops" money washes down the black hole of Iraq.

*HealthCare costs for wounded Iraq Vets are "part" of the costs of the VA.

*Training of the "cannon fodder" to be wasted in Iraq is paid out of the yearly DoD budget.

*The "inducements" (enlistment bonus) and payhikes to romance new grunts into "signing up" are part of the DoD

*Lost productivity in the "Homeland" for businesses losing their emnployees due to "extended deployment" the Iraq meatgrinder.

*Replacement of expended munitions (I believe) is in the DoD budget.

*Personal sacrifices to purchase armor and support for soldiers in Iraq from the private sector could add a million or so.

*PR campaigns by high-powered propaganda (advertising)firms to "brainwash" the American Citizens into supporting the illegal and immoral "War on the Iraqi People" costs many millions.

*The money being spent on bush*s WAR is BORROWED MONEY!! the interest rates must be factored in to the total cost (BTW: 0Bush and friends are NOT paying for this. YOUE children will get this bill).

This list can ve added to easily!
Anyone want to add some more hidden costs?

[FloridaPat]

7. Aren't there other Islamic arab states? Saudia Arabia,Kuwait, Omar,

And I see they really care about the women in the new government. If they compose 50% of the population, why do they get 25% of the seats?

Yes, a job well done by *.

[Danascot]

8. 10% of US Congressional seats

are held by women. What was that about Islamic nations repressing women?

[FloridaPat]

10. Spent my whole life on that subject.

[smoogatz]

20. Omar?

Those are Sunni Arab states. They're not real muslims, if you're a Shiite. And those governments all have a thin veneer of secularism, in the sense that muslim clerics aren't actively running the country, as they do in Iran. It's the difference between "islamist" and "Islamic."

[FloridaPat]

21. Thank you for explaining the difference.

[Toots]

35. No they are controlled by kings and Princes IOW monarchies

This is an Islamic state run through Democracy...If those other states were allowed to elect their leaders I am sure they would also be Islamic..

[Danascot]

9. This is a BIG problem for Bush

He promised his conservative base that the war would bring US style democracy and freedom to Iraq which would be at least secular if not completely Christian, not an Islamic state controlled my Muslim clerics. And he promised the corporate sector of his base control of Middle East oil far into the future. He has utterly failed to deliver to his stauchest supporters which is why they're abandoning him in droves.

[Fridays Child]

11. Bush, the uniter.

:nuke:

[sellitman]

12. junior....your doing a heck of a job!!!!

:sarcasm:

[alfredo]

13. Mission Accomplished

bush has really fucked this nation.

[BikeWriter]

14. Rumsfeld said that wouldn't happen:

If you're suggesting, how would we feel about an Iranian-type government with a few clerics running everything in the country, the answer is: That isn't going to happen," Rumsfeld said, reported The Washington Post Friday, April 25th
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=129

[babylonsister]

15. I hope the media pick that quote up and run it against

what is really occurring. Wrong again, Rummy, et al.

[BikeWriter]

17. One more * gang #### up.

[Al-CIAda]

18. Looks like Chrissy M isn't going to get Bush on Rushmore, much to his

dismay.

[BikeWriter]

19. Post Office bulletin board maybe.

[enigma000]

31. Is it clerics in charge or politicians?

There is a difference. Theocracy is rule by priests not religious politicians.

[BikeWriter]

34. Shia law will be the final authority either way.

[Toots]

36. Many many Clerics were elected to office

So the answer is yes and no. Some are in fact most are Clerics and Priests and some are ordinary muslems..

[Padme Amidala]

24. Yes. We turned a secular government into an Islamic government

And we blew up a bunch of kids to do so. So how does this make Bush a Christian?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

25. More of those durned "unexpected consequences".

Right up there with "unexpected consequence" of Iraqis not appreciating having their country overrun by thugs flying the stars & stripes.

[wysiwyg]

27. Don't forget Ahmad Chalabi. Iranian agent?

Don't forget Ahmad Chalabi being so very helpful in helping the Bush administration with info to help justify the invasion. Often he did so via Judy Miller.

Wasn't his HQ raided after it looked like he was giving info the Iranians? If he's done what he's done to benefit Iran then Bush and his administration are bigger fools than the are generally given credit for.

[Rex]

28. Biggest crisis ever

We had 500,000 troops in GW I and that was just to take Saddam's military out. This time we have 135,000 troops against 26 million people. I wonder if Iran will annex Iraq when we leave?

[newspeak]

29. one of the oldest Christian sects

and the largest population of Zorastrians were in Iraq. Bush has screwed the pooch. Of course, as long as they work with the oil corporations, our government doesn't care what type of repressive government they have. Yeah, it's a democracy, but a democracy of the majority who terrorizes the minority isn't good either.

[wysiwyg]

30. Iran has a "democracy" too...

Of course, a religious council of clerics vets all of the candidates. I wonder if Bush will say anything if that happens in Iraq.

[greiner3]

32. b*** really pissed off Iran and their religious leaders;

And is single-handedly responsible for the election of their really right leaning president. Way to go
:woohoo: :sarcasm: