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Thu Jul-17-03 05:56 PM
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Hardball thread.....Graham, Spectre, Dayton, Lindsay |
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Edited on Thu Jul-17-03 06:11 PM by grasswire
some new info coming out
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Thu Jul-17-03 05:56 PM
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1. will he qualify his remarks... |
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....on the impeachment word?
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Thu Jul-17-03 05:59 PM
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2. also Saxby Chambliss & Lindsay Graham |
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WHAT?? No additional democrats???
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:05 PM
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4. Saxby Chambliss and Lindsey Graham |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:10 PM
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7. Dayton: SOTU tip of the iceberg |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:04 PM
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on also...interested in what he has to say--his seat's going to be challenged next time around...
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:08 PM
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5. Matthews isn't buying it |
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"WHo led this man, Joseph, to include in this info?"
Looks like Chris thinks there is more to this
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:10 PM
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8. not buying it, but NO ALTERNATIVE VIEWPOINT |
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Tweetys asking questions that can be deflected and deferred.
DEMS SHOULD BREAK INTO THE STUDIO AND CALL FOR WAR CRIMES TRIBUNALS!!
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:08 PM
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6. bob graham did ok, but.... |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:12 PM
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12. So Far 3 repukes squirming and one Dem speaking up |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:11 PM
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9. Sen. Dayton is doing well to further question beyond SOTU. |
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I believe that other dork is so moronic to say "we need to remember the bad guy is Saddam--not Bush."
Nice logic. If Saddam = Bad then Bush Not= Bad. Whatever. Applied similarly, If Hitler= Bad, then Stalin = Not Bad.
BULL BULL Bush = evil, bad, low class, callow, idiot, monkey, embarrassment, gone in 04
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:12 PM
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13. Dayton needs to step up! |
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Where's Kennedy? Where's Byrd?
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:11 PM
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10. Mentions Cheney again |
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He said that he had recently talked to WIlson, who said that Cheney HAD been informed about the documents.
Matthews is really pushing the Cheney angle on this story
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:13 PM
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14. Lindsay looks very nervous |
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while hitting the talking points.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:11 PM
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11. OH CRAP! Arlen Specter: founder of the "magic bullet" theory |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:14 PM
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15. Keep Spinning CHambliss |
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Saying the Admin never made the nuke question a big part of their case for war.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:16 PM
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...that Joseph was also responsible for the aluminum tubes accusation in SOTU.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:16 PM
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18. looks like Saxo didn't get this afternoon's talking points -- |
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because nukes is about the ONLY thing Dubya mentioned in his press conference w/Blair!
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:17 PM
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19. love a guy who calls an amputee Vietnam vet "unpatriotic" |
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what a bloated bullsh!tting loser. worst thing I saw today was that ugly f@ck who took Wellstone's seat after the plane took a dive and no investigation took place afterward.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:21 PM
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26. Wasn't the smoking gun a mushroom cloud? |
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Sounds to me that while the Intelligence committee may not have cared about nukes... the citizens they are representing apparently did care, otherwise Bush wouldn't have made the mushroom cloud statement.
These kinds of prevarications don't resound, which is good.
Richard Shelby can blame it on the election season all he wants, and every body else can deflect and dissemble. This news has all the smell of something HUGE.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:24 PM
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35. Welcome Underground EAMcClure |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:16 PM
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16. oh, bosh,"the nuclear theat was never put out as the main reason!" |
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What was all that talk about mushroom clouds?
We're just supposed to forget they said that now. They "really" meant chemical weapons.
I think Chris is pushing them pretty hard, myself. He seems to be fairly dismissive of the excuses.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:18 PM
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nobody in Pennsylvania's talking about this. They're talking about guerilla warfare. Dems are politicizing the war.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:19 PM
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21. Richard Shelby up now |
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Matthews: is the issue the cost and the toll?
Shelby: no, it's the political season driving the issue.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:19 PM
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sounds and talks like Howard Sprague from the old Andy Griffith show.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:20 PM
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What kind of balance is that??
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:22 PM
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31. are the Dems boycotting Tweety? |
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after his treatment of Dennis Kucinich the other day?
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:26 PM
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and he just screwed himself now!
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:20 PM
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23. Oh man, they're saying the same thing |
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Its political season.....etc
Keep trying
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:21 PM
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No, a search for the truth is driving this.
Lindsey Graham: It's the political season.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:21 PM
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Gee! We found a centrifuge in someone's back yard!!
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:21 PM
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27. All they have to say to defend themselves is, "It's political" |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:22 PM
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...we ought to get to the bottom of it.
Shelby: we always need the truth. Tenet is accountable. Who vetted the speech?
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:23 PM
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:22 PM
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29. Dayton: Evidence was always questioned. |
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Even back during the debates, he had heard from the CIA and others that things were exaggerated.
Goppers keep referring to the past....so sad.
How sad for the GOPpers, one Democrat made them look like complete idiots.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:22 PM
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30. They picked Dayton on PURPOSE |
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Nothing against Dayton, but they had 4 Repukes allayed against him. They needed Kennedy! They needed Feingold! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:24 PM
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36. he made them look stupid |
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He talked about evidence was questioned, even during the debate.
Everytime he said something, they just kept repeating themselves and each other.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:25 PM
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37. yeah, that was RATTY!! |
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It looked as if they had grabbed Graham and Specter and trotted them to Statuary Hall in a big hurry.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:45 PM
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56. and Shelby!! So Tweety had enough people there to PUT DOWN |
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the questioning Dems...tweety acquiesced
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:28 PM
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You can bet there's lots going on atop the hill tonite! Take these bastards down now..and let the pukes all hang..they've been jumping ship one by one, Karen Hughes...what's she writing??!!
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:23 PM
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34. There it is folks...going STRAIGHT under the rug! |
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The media will calm down now
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:25 PM
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Not at all. The big Mo is just beginning to roll.
It will be interesting what the broadcast networks have to say tonight.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:26 PM
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41. Senator Bob Graham coming up next .. |
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Hopefully He'll get some time in ...
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:25 PM
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38. Heh, Bob Graham is so cute in the trailer |
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He IS kinda goofy looking, I'll admit. After watching that vain, I'm-so-noble-and-brave Bush jack**s, it's a nice change.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:35 PM
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Joseph wanted the line to say Iraq trying to buy 500 tons. CIA negotiated milder line.
It raises a whole number of questions for WH.
Should Rice accept responsiblity??
Tweety: supporters fingering CIA critics of war fingering WH
Nora: there will be an inspector general from CIA who delivers a report next week.
This is not over, and it is a bipartisan investigation.
Tweety: may not have been the work of this one man.
Nora: WH will not allow staff to testify.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:36 PM
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I saw her hold her own against Fineman the other night. Plus, and I hate to say it, she's kind of cute. BTW, why the hell is Bob Graham standing in front of a NASCAR Truck?
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:46 PM
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58. He's sponsoring a NASCAR truck, and it's WON BIG |
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Senator's Race Truck Starts Last, Ends FirstThis is big stuff among southern Dems. Very astute campaigning for a guy who connects extremely well with rural voters.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:49 PM
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64. She's a fox....and smart too.. |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:36 PM
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1. Pres ought to be enraged
2. He should be asking who should be held accountable. Nobody was held accountable after Sept. 11
3. Pres should get on board the reforms advocated by Congress.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:38 PM
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the greatest evil was not Hussein. What I was afraid was going to happen has happened. Al Queda has regrouped. Which was the greater danger? By giving Americans the idea that Iraq was close to nuclear capability, the information was skewed.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:40 PM
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We're less secure.
Tweety: Bush said we're going to find WMD. Won't that kill your arguments?
Graham: I hope we do find them. Our credibility is significantly eroded. But it isn't just finding WMD. It's finding WMD that posed an imminent threat. 45 minutes, etc.
Tweety: Are there still weapons in Iraq that could be used quickly against us?
Graham: If they find them, their strength will be strengthened. I hope they do.
Tweety: you will be wrong if they find the WMD with imminent threat.
Graham: No. The greater threat has slipped away.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:43 PM
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55. Tweety actually said, 'clearly stated.' |
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And wished him luck in NH. Amazing.
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Thu Jul-17-03 10:46 PM
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I just caught the 11 p.m. replay after missing the 7 p.m. episode and I thought Graham kept very calm under the interviewing and I admit Chris was much friendlier to Bob than to Kucinich. Graham's had a steady view of this war since before the war resolution and he's been consistent. He said on Hardball his 9/11 report will be out next Thursday, I hope Dubya sticks to that release date, it should bring to light much of the Graham campaign's statements and accusations.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:38 PM
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it had Clinton's dick on it somewhere..I'd really like to know what Clinton and the poodle discussed and how quickly the poodle turned his back to side w/ the scums! I have a feeling Hillary's working overtime on this one and hasn't said a word as yet today on this.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:34 PM
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Norah O'Donnell mentioned that some are wondering how Condi factors in. WHy didn't she check it over?If Tenet is to blame, why not her?
On Edit: THey would like to chat with the VP and his staff, but they know the odds are slim
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:35 PM
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44. The Robert Joseph story can't fly |
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Trying to force an obvious innacuracy, contested by CIA oversight, into a written legal statement delivered before Congress CAN NOT fall on the shoulders of some no-name.
The White House is the sole authority over the NSA. Condi heads the NSA. Condi answers to Bush. Bush made the statement. Robert Joseph isn't the President. Robert Joseph isn't in charge of telling the American people that they are threatened by imminent nuclear attack.
Robert Joseph is NOT a rogue element.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:37 PM
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People Here Call Chris Matthews "Tweety". I call him "Goofball"
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:38 PM
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50. There was a trade off |
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We got rid of the easy guy, but the real threat is still out there
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:40 PM
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Are Bush Inc., the WTO, IMF, and commerical capitalism. It is these forces, underpinned by greed, which threaten world peace.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:39 PM
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YOu have to show that there was an imminent threat with said WMDs (if found)
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:41 PM
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:41 PM
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54. O'Donnell and Dornan next. |
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I wonder what the troglodyte from California will have to say. "Bush is God's instrument on Earth, therefore he is infallible," probably.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:45 PM
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...bring up the impeachment word?
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:47 PM
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60. He just said 'un-smart.' |
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Maybe 'gooder' is next. Ugh. America is going down the tubes, intellectually speaking.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:47 PM
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.....Blair's appearance made the story bigger!!
Lawrence O'Donnell: Bush's refusal to accept responsibility for his words was stunning. The story is growing bigger and bigger.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:47 PM
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59. Bob Doran: The story was dying? |
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Um, since when?
L O'Donnell: Its far from over and Bush blew another chance to take responsibility.
Robert Baer: NSC, NSC, NSC. Its becoming quite clear that they have been cooking the books.
Chris & Bear: He (Joseph) didn't do this alone
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:49 PM
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NSC has been cooking the books.
Tweety: Joseph didn't do it on his own.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:48 PM
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62. 'NSC has been cooking the books on intelligence.' |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:50 PM
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Dornan says he wants everything out in the open. This flap is the wrong way to go.
Lawrence: Tony didn't get an applause for a single fact. The speech was content free.
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:50 PM
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66. O'Donnell: "I don't think (Blair) got applause for a single fact." |
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Called the speech "content-free."
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:51 PM
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L. O'Donnell:
Blair got applause for saying that America was FREE, but I think we already knew that. But I don't think he got applause for a 'single fact'
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:54 PM
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asked Lawrence O'Donnell if he would vote for The Terminator. He said I never vote Republication. " It's a matter of religion with me."
btw-he was Pat Moynihan's chief of staff
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:55 PM
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69. Didn't Tweety work for Moynihan, too? |
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Thu Jul-17-03 06:58 PM
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70. Lawrence O'Donnell worked |
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for Pat Moynihan. Tweety worked for Tip O'Neil and Jimmy Carter.
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Tim Russert worked for Mario Cuomo.
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Thu Jul-17-03 10:26 PM
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71. Lying ass dweeb Lindsay Graham with his historical talking points |
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which have nothing to do with Chimpy's lies in the SOTU.
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