Out of curiousity I am wondering if this is disparage the democratic party

[acmavm]

night on DU? I can understand criticizing their lack of response at the actions of the administration, I understand espousing a particular candidate and his policies and trying to promote them. But what I don't understand are the posts tonight that firmly state that the democrats are just like the republicans, equally bad for this country. Am I in the wrong place?????

[quinnox]

1. There has been some talk

of a recent infilitration of the 'enemy'. Another possibility is there are some people who really believe this, and are socialists or what not.

[dpbrown]

2. Freepers get the gullible all worked up

And then it's bash, bash, bash.

[acmavm]

3. Well whatever, but I have the distinct feeling that some of the posts

tonight have been VERY counterproductive to the intent of this website. Socialist, utopians, freeper invaders, whatever. I thought that this behavior was verboten.

[QC]

8. Possibly socialists or utopians, definitely drama queens.

[Syn_Dem]

4. I'm a Democratic Socialist...

Meaning I wish somethings were socialized...such as healthcare, education, Dr. Pepper, however I still believe firmly in Democracy and still intend on working on whatever I can to help champion the Democratic cause when I come of age. So not all socialists are "evil commies bent out to destroy America" :P

[ElsewheresDaughter]

5. NO! you're correct minded and imho the poster of that thread is a Greenie

:grr:

[lastliberalintexas]

6. Apparently so

I guess we didn't get the memo. I just wonder whether it was Rove or Ralph who drafted it...

Doesn't matter which I guess- neither really wants us united and focused on the evils of Shrubbie.

[opihimoimoi]

7. The real "enemy" is IGNORANCE

for it allows delusion

which allows anger, denial, fantasy

need I say more?

[Cheswick2.0]

9. you are in the right place

there are people here who are total idiots. Ignore them, their purpose is to be destructive.

You can be just as liberal as you like and still not think attacking Democrats is your best purpose in life.

[PATRICK]

10. freewheeling Dems

This is typical of the rambunctious debate the party is notorious for and should be sometimes actually proud of. In a time of crisis it IS extremely irritating and scary to see the same old same old, but this is
still a party in development. What we presume the party should stand for is still a work in progress.

Successes. All the Dems I am familiar with wear white hats, are fairly in tune with the social issue platform, believe in competent government and "reforms" that actually are for the social good. Where the hair tearing begins may be that many are too good, too naive and not "wily as serpents, innocent as doves". From thence comes the duping, the innocent collaboration, the political weakness and the alarming move to the right by some who think they are chasing the respectable center.

Tactics. Some DLC philosophy applications that passively center more on simply displaying more moderate competence than political savvy and will. Some personalities in the leadership. Some whopping misjudgments or failures to BE a political force in defense of their own ideals. Making capitalism work is not a bad thing and might be better than a bloody revolution toward something that must evolve naturally if humanity is to survive. The world progresses and changes regardless, so "progressives" should be more heartened than hopelessly regressive conservatives.

Still, this is not a monotone or ruled party. Failures drown in failure. They do not become "idolized" Presidents. Imperfections spawn debates and struggles that are a microcosm of what the country SHOULD be doing if it were healthy. Those who sneer and scoff from the outside, trying to belittle the party usually are those who support the easy slide to dictatorship and lack of accountability, oversight, responsibility of the citizen and civil rights. Those who shout within
show they care very much about mistakes and losing ways,

It's great to be triumphant when all's right with the world. When the "Right" is marching on the world though, those are the times that try men's souls. Like it or not.

The party is moving along healthily, though naively and not yet victoriously, as evidenced by the quality of candidates for President, none of whom represent rogue corporations or surrender. Those who represent best and most effectively what the party should be(as opposed to some tragic mistakes in some of the DLC leadership) are obviously leading the pack.

One would expect more of leadership in a crisis, but often the majority good moves reluctantly slow. The people of the world built up a tremendous peace movement that disimply did not have the time or access to erode the media/military/industrial complex here. That suppressed dissent can explode here.

One madman with a hammer can quickly destroy what should, in insight/ foresight /hindsight, have been better protected. Humanity picks up the pieces, punished and rebuilds. The only problem now is the amount of planet threatening power tossed about in these political dramas. If we can't afford defeats and victories amid the REAL crises(ecology, population, disease, starvation) all citizens must learn never to relax vigilance and responsibility and steel their nerves for the work of democracy- until the human race changes- as it can.

Right now the Dems are THE party of democratic response and responsibility. They can bring about reforms that should enable other responsible parties to compete fairly because evils too arise in the mere fact of static encumbency. Goading ourselves is better than retreating behind the wagons. Working together is better than dividing. It is a living dynalmic against the iron fist and the bold lie.