The 'attack' on wolfowitz was staged in an attempt to gain sympathy

[radwriter0555]

and recognition for the bush regime over there.

It's a scam. It stinks.

Remember, I was the first one to spot the faked rescue of little baby jessica too.

Flame away.

[liberalnurse]

1. Maybe so.....

but Wolfie sure looked like he needed to change his underwear.....

[Noordam]

2. If true by which "friendly force"

Some of our friends in Iraqi National Congress want us out of there too. Just send money.

[Hubert Flottz]

3. He can find sympathy in the dictionary ...................................

between SH?T a SYPHILIS! $ Who's Sorry Now?

[qanda]

4. Weren't all previous visitors prevented from

Staying in Baghdad overnight? I remember hearing that they would visit Iraq during the day and spend the night in Kuwait. It certainly makes you wonder why someone so high up in the administration would be put in such an unsafe environment.

[HootieMcBoob]

5. If it was it's backfired

Wolfowitz went over there to show us all how great things are going. It's going so great that the hotel he's staying in, the best protected hotel in Bagdad, get's hit with a shitload of rockets nearly killing him in the process. That makes clear to the American people that everything is going very smoothly in Iraq.

[kalian]

6. Have to ask: WHO benefits....?

Was it staged or was it real?
Considering that the guerillas got within 500 YARDS and then set-off
the rocket launcher surprises me. These guys have balls and they are willing to pull off the darnest stunts to get their point across.

Now...why Wolfowitz? Why didn't they try killing Powell when he was there...or Rummy?
Ethnicity plays a huge role in the region...

[radwriter0555]

8. The bush regime. it makes us look like victims... enlists support for that

"war on terra" thing.

[maggrwaggr]

47. no, no, no, it just makes them look like fools, which they are

this is a silly theory

[displacedtexan]

7. NEVER underestimate the CIA

especially when you've pissed them off.

[sventvkg]

9. Shit!!! He's Still Alive..Facist Bastard!!!!

[DulceDecorum]

11. Here we go again.....

[blackjack]

10. Staged attack to gain sympathy?

Staged attack to gain sympathy? Negative. Sorry to burst you're bubble. Too much percentage for bad results (i.e. getting a Colonel killed). The guerillas are tactically competent to pull that off though strategically inept enough to go after a journalist vice a tangible target.

Same w/Lynch rescue. I had friends on that one. (I'm an active duty Marine.) They cordoned off the area and took fire from the locals while the spec ops folks went into the hospital. There were no blanks, no hocus pocus, & the BBC got it wrong. They went off the best intel they had of the place. Believe what you want and go ahead and send me the flamers if you like but that's the truth.

[DulceDecorum]

12. Desperation reigns in PR land

and all throughout the land.

[dreissig]

13. Action Heroes

Great bit of fantasy there, that the Jessica "rescue" needed all that heroism. They could have come to the front desk and asked for her, like any other patient in any other hospital. But it wouldn't have been dramatic and it wouldn't have shown that the Iraqis are savages.

Having "friends who were there" adds no credibility to the story. These guys were playing Chuck Norris.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. What did your friends say

about the ones that got killed by friendly fire in the first rescue attempt?

The rescue you are referring to was actually the second time they had tried to save her.

[markses]

23. While I don't believe the al-Rasheed was staged

The Private Lynch rescue was certainly staged, and I don't believe a fucking word you say on that one, blackjack. I'm sneezing bullshit all over your Lynch story, a crock of hocus pocus to the nth degree. "I had friends on that one." Yeah huh. My grandmother was chilling in that hospital too.

[dreissig]

29. Granny Chilling Out

Granny wasn't chilling out in the hospital, she was running a long-running floating crap game. Iraqis are inveterate gamblers, and the doctors and nurses treating Jessica were unconcerned about its influence on her upright moral character. She was "rescued" from the same sinful lifestyle that led Bill Bennett into perdition.

[hang a left]

40. Oh really? Where did you come from?

[alcuno]

14. I am not following your logic. This does not help them.

As someone else said, makes him look more like Baghdad Bob.

[Hubert Flottz]

17. Bob Novak is next in line for the Baghdad Bob Gig!

What other Bob is a better propagandist! He thinks if he don't rat Bush out about the drips at the WH, that Bush will make him Chief Bushiter in the new US territory of IRAQ! I'm betting Bush and Tom DeLay will make Iraq a slave state when they add it's star to our grand old flag!

EDIT} Welcome to the great state of 'New Texas'!

[birdman]

15. Let me get this straight

They arranged to have the hotel blown up because
they think that instead of noticing how chaotic
things are in Iraq the public will feel sorry for Wolfie
and be more supportive of the war ?

Yeah. Right.



I just called room service to get a strawberry tart
when the bombs started going off.

[radwriter0555]

16. Absolutely. It points out how bad it really is there, and how much the US

needs support.

I'm sorry, my point was to draw FOREIGN support, not domestic. They don't give a shit what WE think, they TELL us what to think about the disaster over there, and the idiots here fall for it.

This is about getting $$$ from the other countries. I should have clarified WHO the dog and pony show was directed at, because it WASN'T the USA... Heck MOST people in the USA have no idea who wolfowitz is, but foreignors DO, especially heads of state.

[neuvocat]

19. I'd like to ask

(respectfully): don't you think this is like the bombing of the U.N. headquarters? After that fiasco Kofi Anan said that he wouldn't be sending troops over there, citing the lack of security as the reason.

This seems pretty similar to me, only now what happens is the that the U.S. couldn't protect its higher ranking officials. If anything, this to me would reinforce the decision by other countries not to send in any more troops or money.

It may be possible that Wolfowitz was sent there to show the other countries how supposedly there were only a few insurgents and that Iraq wasn't the big bloody war zone it was made out to be-seeing as how Bush is looking for investment from others.

However Bush may not get that help that he needs now-after all, he wanted to be the big macho bring-them-on cowboy who would crush the cowardly french for telling him not to go.

[hang a left]

39. What I would like to know is where the Iraqis are getting their

intel. How did these guys know that scumbag Wolfowitz was in the hotel? Or was it just a lucky coincidence?

[TomNickell]

44. Did they know?

We don't know whether they knew about Wolfowitz or not. But most likely he came in in a big vehicle with lots of heavy stuff around him. And his visit is on the news. So, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out that a high official was in the building.

Or maybe it was just time to attack that hotel.

[birdman]

25. I'm sure foreign countries would be falling over one another

to get their people killed instead of ours.


There are plenty of great reasons to hate Bush without
inventing crazy conspiracies about how he's behind bombing
attacks or caused 9/11 to happen or killed Wellstone and JFK.

It’s a plot, Mandrake

[WillyBrandt]

18. tinfoil hat territory

Use Ockham's razor: which does the evidence more easily support?

(1) Iraq is fucked up, Wolfowitz is a big hawk, and they tried to attack him

(2) The administration purposefully tried to make Iraq look even more fucked up to help its "Iraq is doing fine!" PR offensive? (And to encourage foreigners from helping?)

[Ilsa]

20. Well, then, they killed a soldier in the process.

I surely hope they aren't rejoicing over their success if this was staged.

No flame, Rad. I just don't agree. (But I think you're right about JLynch.)

[cliss]

21. Sorry. I don't buy it either.

The Busch Cabal WANTS things to settle down. After all, they have bigger, and better plans for us all. The PNAC wants the entire Middle East to be a vassal state of the US. They predict awesome things to come. The area will be peaceful. The Muslims will finally have come to their senses and agree to be agreeable.

The Oil will be flowing due West. Our future will be safe and secure. They DEFINITELY do not want to see these things happening, because it blows their plans to hell. Iraq was only bus stop #1 on their list of nations to subjugate.

Welcome, Black Jack to the DU :hi: :B-): Hope you like it here.

[TomNickell]

24. And do you have any evidence???????

No?
Didn't think so.

Forum rules don't let me label this properly.

[oldcoot]

26. No, I do not think it was staged

Remember Bush wants reporters to start reporting positive stories on Iraq. This is not a positive story.

[kodi]

27. nor do i, & i think anyone who thinks it is shows their nuttiness

describing all matters of heaven and earth as a part of a conspiracy without a scintilla of evidence or cogent abstract reasoning for it to be likely is fucking "moranic."

this sort of knee-jerk reaction is not funny in the least, nor does it pass any logic test for conforming to reality.

considering the paucity of any facts pointing to it, the author could smear himself with feces and blame it on bush too.

as it is, this sort of loopy perspective smears feces on the honest, logical and realistic methods of analysis on which progressives pride themselves as using to describe the world.

if you think me hard, tell you what, all you have to do is show me the fucking proof that the busheviks did this.

calling fox mulder, wherever you are.

[hang a left]

42. He just said that is what he thinks oh mighty one.

And by the way, everything that happens over in Iraq or here for that matter warrants suspicion and scrutiny.

[TomNickell]

45. There's a difference....

between 'suspicion and scrutiny' and

......just plain nuttiness.


This one is just plain nuttiness. Equivalent to accusing Bush of blowing up the UN HQ, crashing the Space Shuttle, starting the California wildfires, killing JFK, and hitting himself repeatedly on the head with a hammer.....

Well, the hammer part--maybe that's not so nutty.

[radwriter0555]

33. No, No evidence. Didn't have any evidence little baby jessica was staged

either, but we learned about that, didn't we?

With all the troops in badhdad, how on earth did so many rockets get launched?

it stinks.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. to bad we're not in morning

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. on edit timed out ...correct spelling "mourning"

[Andy_Stephenson]

30. If it was staged for Sympathy.

the only place he will find sympathy with me...is between Shit and Syphilis in the dictionary.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

31. Can't imagine he would spend time on a PR campaign to trump up

how GREAT it is really going if only the LIBERAL media would quit saying things are a mess and then stage an attack on his hotel while he is in it.

Plus, think about what you are saying as far as foreign aid is involved. I imagine the only people foreign gov'ts despise more than Bush are the people who pull his strings to make him talk.

[blm]

32. I agree then and agree now.

Funny, the attacks involving them never succeed. Attacks involving their enemies often do succeed.

[radwriter0555]

34. Right. Like the attack on bush senior that never happened....

think reichstag!

[gristy]

36. staged in an attempt to gain sympathy???

Sympathy from whom? For whom? U.S. Forces are being shot at dozens of times a day in Iraq. The U.S. doesn't need to "stage" a damn thing.

[judgegina]

37. I disagree.

n/t

[T Bone]

41. I disagree too, wasn't staged

What is sad is that the Iraqi guerillas are better informed than the American public. They know what PNAC is all about, that PNAC is their real enemy, and that Wolfie is one of the key string pullers for the sock puppet in chief.

[Cat Atomic]

38. No way- it looks incredibly bad for the Administration.

Wolfowitz was over there trying to put a happy face on the occupation. The attack ruined that, and it also put Bush's claims of a "media filter" to bed for good.

Besides- a successful attack on an American political figure inside of Iraq would not gain them sympathy in Iraq. It'll be a rallying cry for others. It'll be proof that bold resistance works.

[SayitAintSo]

43. More sympathy if they improved thier aim.....

[maggrwaggr]

46. sorry, but this is the stupidest thing I've heard in a while

The Iraqis have plenty of reasons to want Wolfowitz dead.

I wonder what it feels like to be so hated.

[grasswire]

48. it did occur to me....

.....that perhaps the CIA was upping the ante. But I set that thought on the back burner.

[Polemonium]

49. The Tin Foil just keeps on coming,

If I were to put on a Tin Foil hat, I could come up with a dozen other reasons. But well Tin Foil makes my head itch.

[w4rma]

50. I disagree. I haven't paid attention to what happened, but it made me feel

like things are going even worse Iraq than *I* thought they were going (and I think things in Iraq are going extremely badly). I don't think that's what BushCo wants folks to know.

[maggrwaggr]

51. Yeah, and Ahnold started the fires in California

or maybe it was Rove ....

[iangb]

52. Nah.....the attack is too damaging to Wolfowitz's......

....line that 'They love us......they want us to stay forever......look at all the flowers they're throwing', to be staged.

(That plus the fact that he would have been 'visiting the basement' if he'd known what was going down).

[knight_of_the_star]

53. Nope

This would NOT make Bush look good if senior members of his admin are getting assasination attempts made at them. The fact that such an attempt was made shows that:

A.) Wolfie is just plain dumb and

B.) Iraq is no closer to being secure than Egypt is opening up a ski resort.

[OldSoldier]

54. It wasn't staged

If it was staged, they'd have told the colonel his room needed "renovation" the day before the attack commenced and moved him to a higher floor. We have plenty of PFCs and Specialists to kill for "sympathy," and privates are easy to make new ones of--recruit a 19-year-old freeper and run him through training. Seventeen weeks and you're done, twenty if you want a paratrooper. Colonels aren't cheap and it takes a long time to grow one.

Yes, this is a coldhearted analysis, but if the BFEE did this on purpose they wouldn't have wasted a brigade commander. A company commander maybe if he did something to piss them off, but never a brigade commander.

No, this was a no-shit Attack on American VIPs, and it looks to have been fairly successful; they scored their highest-ranking KIA to date and made Wolfowitz shit himself.