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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 02:10 PM
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Poll question: Will Bush be 1) challenged for the nomination, 2) resign or 3) impeached?
Edited on Sun Oct-26-03 02:26 PM by TruthIsAll
Many months ago, I predicted he would not run in 2004, that he would be forced to resign or be impeached. Many took it as a joke or naivete on my part. But based on what we are seeing right now, with one year to go, is it still that far-fetched that his fate has already been determined?

He cannot lose a squeaker; Diebold won't let this happen. The only way he loses is in a wipeout.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 02:12 PM
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1. Rove's 200 Million Dollar Campaign of Fear Will Reelect Him
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:24 PM
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8. Bush had twice as much money as Gore and STILL lost the
popular vote. I think it's going to be a long, hard slog.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 02:14 PM
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2. Bush
will be challenged and beaten.

It's wishful thinking to say that he will resign, but you never know. :)
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 02:20 PM
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3. I voted that he would be challenged and lose the nomination.
I think Chuck Hagel will run against him and win the pug nomination. Wouldn't it be interesting if Jebbie ran against him for the nomination. T'was said he is the smarter of the two, though lacking in the "charisma" of W. (I know, I know, what charisma?)
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 01:07 AM
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16. Chuck might be pissed at *
But he would never run against him. Not in his general character.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 04:51 AM
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19. people
cities and states are asking for impeachment, its in one of the daily rotten headlines
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liberalcapitalist Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 04:46 PM
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4. he will lose in a squeaker (general election)
he will lose in a squeaker (general election): No option for the most logical outcome.
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RichV Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 09:15 AM
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21. Ditto
Odd that's not a choice.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:23 PM
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5. We had better hope he is not beaten in the primaries!
Because whichever repuke does it, will be a STRONGER nominee than bush! Imagine a McCain-Frist ticket for them next year: we would be in deep shit!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:06 PM
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6. No, if Bush lost the nomination
which wont happen because Rove will not let anyone think of the prospect, they would be as wounded as we were when Johnson didnt run in 68.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:21 PM
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7. prediction: CIA "secretly advises him to bow out" or face prosecution.
Edited on Sun Oct-26-03 10:23 PM by henslee
Bush takes the hint, claims bogus health problems issue... fades from view.
Five years from now he is commisioner of baseball and a regular on the celebrity roast circuit.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:24 PM
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9. Bush will be the nominee
He might change VP candidates, however. Even if he does run with Cheney he will lose by a slight margin.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:00 PM
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10. Not to sound like some kind of fool...
(after all, iknow my predictions in the past have fallen through), I think he will be wiped out in a landslide.

I think that there will be many more people voting in '04, at least 20% more than in the past few elections, and these people will be anti-bush. Judging by the rabid GOPer's here in NE, he doesn't have a chance in '04. These RWer's are drawn to vote straight GOP, but the underlying current is that even in those that even the maniacal GOPer's hate this idiot. I've been to a few GOP meetings as a 'silent observer', (I finally got tossed out when someone recognized me), and the people are truly aggravated. Once the base is gone, it is all over.

The big ? is, will Diebold really attempt to turn this around? Exit polling is one way to help ensure that this doesn't happen; the other is a paper ballot to be used to ensure the counts are correct. I've already talkewd to Hagel's office about this, (they called me after an e-mail I sent), and Hagel knows that his machines are bullcrap without a 'hard copy' to ensure that the count is correct. So let's see if he has the guts to push a paper ballot out.

In any case.......like I said, the base is getting away from bush, and there lies the ouotcome.

:kick:
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:14 PM
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11. I think/hope you're right
Some of the major things Bush has done (creating a massive deficit, expanding the size of government) are completely the opposite of what the Republicans have generally stood for. We know that his stances on gay rights and abortion might turn off Log Cabin Republicans and pro-choice Republicans. Is he turning off the fiscal conservatives and libertarians as well? It's possible.

I fear, however, that the Republicans will do the equivalent of our ABB; in other words, they'll vote for Bush because they want a Republican in the White House (even if they don't agree with him on all the issues).

The best indicator of a Bush defeat, IMO, would be strong opposition for the GOP nomination (think Pat Buchanan in 1992 or Ronald Reagan in 1976). It would show that Bush is weak, and that his support within his own party is dwindling. If a third-party candidate appeared to sap votes away from him in the general, that would be even better. Look at the damage Perot did to Bush 41 in '92, or the damage Wallace did to Humphrey in '68.

I'd love to believe we can beat Bush in a landslide, but I just don't see it happening... yet.
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:33 PM
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12. I think the Pugs are top-heavy. GW is a unsufferable embarassment.
This is wishfull thinking but I wonder if he will finish a full term. His resignation would silence many and make a lot of questions go away or become "yesterday's news." It is an interesting question though and makes one pause to ponder. I haven't pondered in a while, maybe things are getting better.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:43 AM
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13. My hunch: Bush elected, but will not finish second term (long, rambling)
I can't lay out any evidence to support this view, it's just a feeling; nor do I feel hopeless about the odds that a Democrat can win in 2004. But it seems to me that too many icebergs that should have utterly sunk this administration -- that would have sunk it if Bush were a Democrat, or if the news media were the media of the 1960s, 70s, or 80s -- have been skated over, and though some of them haven't yet vanished over the horizon, they're no longer a very serious threat. Things don't seem to stick to Bush quite as thoroughly as they should, and he continues to benefit from the fact that most media voices and a significant -- though steadily shrinking -- percentage of the public are far too willing always to let him slide on the benefit of the doubt.

I do agree that the Democratic victory, if we have one, will need to be won by a substantial margin to be won. How odd that so many of us, native born Americans, are talking about this and accepting it as a given that our elections are no longer honest nor fair.

I vehemently disagree with the opinion expressed by some on DU that America is a nation of sheep and morons. I think history shows that we as a people are slow to believe that we've been played by our elected officials, slow to accept the presence of a threat when it comes from an unexpected direction. I can't predict what will happen over the course of the next year, but if the elections were held today I'm afraid there are still enough "benefit of the doubt" voters to allow Bush to scrape through. Furthermore, even though he's made a wreck of everything he's ever touched, he'll still benefit from that meme in the back of many voters' minds that Republicans are supposed to be good on national security and the economy and Democrats aren't.

(Alternate scenario: Democrats and people who despise Bush are energized and turn out in huge numbers; many people who voted for Bush last time are too discouraged or disgusted to do it again and stay home.)

So he's elected.

If the Republicans increase, maintain, or slightly lose their strength in Congress, I see no reason to believe that the next four years are going to be better than the first four: corporate looting on a massive, probably even increased, scale; more tax cuts; deeper debt; federal bankruptcy looms even closer; ongoing war in Iraq with probably another nation thrown in for good measure. This will happen because this is what Bush and the people who back him demand as their right. They will pursue their personal profit and political agenda without regard for genuine conservatives, certainly without regard for liberals, and without regard for the implications it has on the future of the nation. This destructive mindset of the superwealthy is nothing new. It afflicted the Ancien Regime in France, it afflicted Russian aristocrats and businessmen before the revolution, and it afflicted our good old American millionaires during the Great Depression. I am convinced a psychiatrist could prove that a certain kind of pathology is rampant among the superwealthy. But I don't believe the nation will sustain four more years of this.

First scenario: Impeachment. We've already seen a surprising new willingness in a number of congressional Republicans to defy Bush. I think those numbers will only grow as he leads America farther down the path to ruin. If Bush wins in 2004 and continues his present agenda I think it's highly likely he will be impeached by the genuinely conservative members of his own party; and, unlike Clinton and Andrew Johnson, he will be removed.

Doubtless Joe Lieberman, Dick Gephardt and the like will argue very eloquently in his defense. But I digress.

Second scenario: Resignation. Historian Ian Kershaw believes that Hitler, although he never admitted it, came to realize long before he committed suicide that he was, in fact, going to lose. Similarly, even now, I imagine, George W. Bush is not in a very happy place. The fact that he's gotten even more reluctant to appear in any environment that is not a Potemkin Village (e.g., refusing to hold the customary press conference after havin a chaw with his good deppity in Australia) indicates to me that he has got to know, deep down, that he is not a very well-loved man. His recent table-slapping episode with congressional Republicans (which persuaded 8 out of 9 of them to vote against him on the Iraq loan issue) indicates the petulant tantrum of a spoiled prince who is sick and tired of not getting things his way. Bush has made a mess of everything he's touched, and I think he knows it. Even more galling to him, he is no longer in control and he knows that too. I'd defer to a psychologist on how Bush is most likely to react, but it seems to me that as the situation unravels he is either going to become more violent and bizarre in his responses (perhaps falling off the wagon if he hasn't done so already), eventually leading to a public meltdown that will ruin him, or he'll follow his usual pattern hitherto and run away when it all gets too much for him to handle.

Third scenario: he and his handlers, treading the path of hubris, try to teach the CIA another lesson about f***ing with the Neocon Cabal. I don't think the CIA will play this game a second time. I'm not talking about the "A" word necessarily; I'm sure they have many ways to make a person feel it's in his own best interest to voluntarily pack up and get the hell out of Dodge.

I think Bush's best bet is to have the Democrats win a substantial majority in Congress. They might actually find the spine to put a stop to the most ludicrous of his schemes, thereby saving him from a further accumulation of woe and wrath, while enabling the conservative media machine to pin the blame on them for everything being in such bad shape.

Françoise
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 02:00 AM
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17. I see that happening.
Not that I'm not going to do my damndest to get a Democrat elected. But there have been so many scandals with chimpy and nothing brings him down. Even if we use the Watergate analogy here we must remember that Dickie was still re-elected. I've seen nothing that tells me that this man will lose next year. Even with the economy the way it is I still don't see him losing. Nor will I until this election cycle is over.
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welcome2disneyland Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 12:50 AM
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14. Voting Machines
Is anyone doing studies of how the party lines are changing with votes cast with voting machines?
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 01:06 AM
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15. Challenged and win the nomination. You know why?
Because that boat load of money he's been raising REQUIRES that he be challenged so that he can collect 4000 per person instead of the 2000 under FEC law. 2000 for his "primary" fight and 2000 for the general election.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 02:19 AM
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18. Just like Nixon...Dubya will "win" the election but be forced to resign...
...about two years into his second illegal occupancy of the White House.

IMHO, this will allow enough time for all the sick chickens to come home to roost with major damage done to the GOP.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 08:59 AM
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20. None of those
The Reps won't impeach one of their own. He won't have a serious challange to his renomination. Some crackpot may challange him, but such a challange will be easily brushed aside. Resign? Not hardly. Remember, he believes that God called him to be president.

Choose not to run again, like LBJ did? That's an almost resignation. Very doubtful.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 10:03 AM
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22. he will run again
and lose, but in a squeeker.
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