How can Republicans NOT know their party is taken over by the Fundies?

[ithacan]

I have spoken with a number of Repugs who do not believe their party has been taken over by "christian" fundamentalists!

Despite the fact that the entire leadership in Congress are fundies, etc.

Why don't more repugs know this? The ones I've spoken to would be really turned off if they did know.

So, let's have some good facts and evidence about "christian" control/influence of the Republican party.

I seem to remember hearing that the "Christian" Coalition had succeeded in taking over local and state GOP organizations. Anyone know which places this happened in? Links would be great.

I want to build a strong case based on facts to present to these secular Republicans...

[Voltaire]

1. They know but they don't care

Seizing and maintaining power is all that interests them. So long as their "team" is on top, they have absolutely no interest in how it got there. With Republicans, the ends very much DO justify the means.

[rman]

2. christian fundies are a major influence

but the main factor is the neocons. they'll work with anyone/group who can help further their goals, but they are not religious. they are good little fascists so they know religion is nothing but an instrument, perfect for local control in a religious nation such as the USA.

[DODI]

3. I keep hoping

I keep waiting to see that glimmer of light from them. Are the polls (CNN, MSNBC) any indication that they are seeing the light? I haven't heard anyone at work defending the current position as I defended Clinton (not what he did, but the ridiculous level it rose too.) I haven't heard one word of defense from my repug friends.

[peacetalksforall]

4. Christians taking over Fundies is not my premise

I believe a core of corporate and 'heritaged wealthy' have developed objectives for themselves that requires keeping up a pretense of political parties. It is natural that they are doing this through the Republican Party as the opposite Party has, in the past, supported the working masses.

There are not enough of them to carry a vote so they have partnered with certain groups to gain voters. Fundamentalist Christians are one group and non-fundamentalists who are passionate about the abortion issue. Gun lovers are another (especially because buying guns is lucrative for the corporate core). Young people who want to believe in their military participation and who are very vulnerable to a certain amount of brainwashing and domination is another group. There is a contingent of well-intentioned Republicans who may or may not wear a little string of pearls and own a lot of ties and who are passionate about securing their money are a per cent of the group.

Christians haven't taken over.

Those who have taken over and drive everything are a core of Christians and Jews who wish to take over the earth's resources, hold control over the masses of people, protect Israel, and gather wealth for their agenda. They appeal to the voting block of fundamentalists in clever ways starting with their selection of a born again man to place in the White House. The contributions of fundamentalists in the foundations such as the Heritage Foundation and hundreds of others is immense, but just think about the military-industrial-banking-media-intelligence partnership and you will probably see that Christianity is not at the top of their agenda.

This country is now all a lie and people have to wake up. Presently, some of the biggest lies are the old and chreished beliefs that anyone can become President, work hard and you will prosper, your vote counts, liberty and justice for ALL, you have the right to be proven guilty in a court of peers. They are all eroding principles - it is all a sham and a pretense. We have hungry, uninsured, unemployed, and uneducated people in this country and our leaders use us and our resources to gain more resources for themselves.

There is a need to wake up.

[Gingersnap]

16. you hit the nail on the head (n/t)

[xchrom]

5. corporations use fundies as front-men

it's using the ''virtuous citizenry'' by the non-believing machiavellian elite.
it's a tactic -- and a damned good one. but make no mistake -- fudies cannot be real friends of anyone but themselves. they are superstitious and dangerous to a generous and progressive society.

[el_gato]

the use of fundies

as a front is mentioned in that new book "Into the Buzzsaw"

great read so far.

[el_gato]

6. the use of fundies

as a front is mentioned in that new book "Into the Buzzsaw"


great read so far.

[el_gato]

7. the use of fundies

as a front is mentioned in that new book "Into the Buzzsaw"


great read so far.

[ithacan]

9. but you can't deny that

the "christian right" is enormously influential in the GOP. I agree, it wouldn't be happening if the corporate elite weren't okay with it, but on the other hand, the xian's have been and are organizing at the grassroots level, mobilizing their masses, and have had enormous impact: They are the key to why the GOP has shift so far to the extreme right. Look at the GOP leadership in Congress: they're all fundies. Whether they actually believe it or not is immaterial, they are pursuing policies that are aimed at consolidating their control over the GOP, abolishing the separation of church and state, etc.

I think it's easy to underestimate the power and influence of these groups, especially if you live in an area where you don't actually see them doing their thing...

And I believe it is a fact that the fundies did take over the Republican party organizations in Iowa, Colorado, and other states. That's what I'm trying to document now...

Thanks for the feedback

[RememberJohn]

10. the "christian right" IS the GOP now...

[sirshack]

8. Traditional Values Coalition...

...was recently spanked in some letters from a bunch of pro-lifer conservatives, saying they weren't interested in hearing from them anymore. This may be what's giving that impression.

[Sophree]

11. Liberator Rev's site

www.liberalslikechrist.org

Great info on the Christian Coalition's infiltration of churches- politicizing religion for political gain.

[slackmaster]

12. My mom figured it out

She was a life-long Republican. Born in a Republican town in a Republican state. Went to church and schools where everyone was Republican. Was very active in the party, volunteered hundreds of hours of time supporting Republican candidates.

One day several years ago she got sick of the fundies running everything, quit the party, and is now one of the fastest-growing group in California: Declined to state (i.e. nonpartisan).

[mlawson]

13. ??? It ws obvious to me, as far back as 1980.

There was NO DOUBT, during that campaign cycle, that Jerry Foulwell had Ronnie by the short hairs. Back then I lived where there were repukes -- they either: didn't care; or they would say, "Oh, you are an anti-Christian bigot?"; or they pretended that it didn't matter. Or they would say that "Well, the Dems have Jesse Jackson; isn't he just as bad??"

:eyes:

[blm]

14. Scratch the surface of a fundie you'll find a Moonie.

How can republicans NOT know their party is taken over by the Moonies?

Even the fundies don't understand that they're controlled by the Moonies. They don't know that Falwell and Tim (LEFT BEHIND) LaHaye are actually longtime Rev. Moon allies.

[jody]

15. The Republican Party has been taken over by the "one per centers"

who own 50% of our country's financial wealth. The Rep party is no longer the party of Abe, Teddy, and Ike.

At the same time, the "one per centers" have bribed enough Democratic candidates via campaign donations, to get a bipartisan majority on every bill that favors multinational corporations.

But the "one per centers" have to go very slow or the frog will jump out of the pot of boiling water.
:nuke:

[TheBigGuy]

17. I dont think they care.

Its not a big deal to the non-fundy GOP.

They are in it to reduce Govt and reduce taxes. They could care less if the fundy agenda gets enacted as it doesnt affect their buisnesses or pocketbooks.