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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 09:56 PM
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MUST READ Juan Cole on Chalabi, Likud, Neocons
...Bush operatives now want to target "disloyal" (!!!) professors who tell the truth about the lying liars?

what these guys are up to "make Iran-Contra look like amateur hour."

"Why not just appoint Ariel Sharon U.S. Secretary of Defense"

http://www.juancole.com/
 
US Intelligence Failures on Iraq WMD Rooted in Trusting Chalabi, Likud, Neocons

Carl W. Ford Jr., the just-retired assistant secretary of State for intelligence and research, has given an extended interview to the Los Angeles Times in which he forthrightly acknowledges that something went wrong with US intelligence estimations of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction programs.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-intel29oct29,1,7733575.story?coll=la-home-leftrail

Ford's allegations follow those of his colleague, Greg Thielman, reported by Frontline and by Sy Hersh

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact

Actually, to us ordinary folks without security clearances, it has been fairly apparent for some time that the "intelligence" on Iraqi weapons was questionable. There were Iraqi nuclear scientists in the West who were telling anyone who would listen that the program was abandoned in 1991. But they weren't given the airtime on MSNBC, Fox and CNN. It was given to poseurs like Khidhir Hamza, who appears to have first attempted to sell his life story as a scientist working for Saddam. When that didn't work, I was told, he then turned to writing the mendacious Saddam's Bombmaker.

The problem was that the intellectual context for the interpretation of what evidence was gathered was highly politicized. The US intelligence services had satellite photos that were highly ambiguous. They saw them through the lens of three main groups: 1) Iraqi expatriates with an axe to grind; 2) Israeli hardliners like Ariel Sharon; and 3) his backers among American neoconservatives who managed to take charge of Pentagon and NSC Middle East policy.

A great deal that the US intelligence folks knew about Iraqi weapons programs was supplied to them by corrupt expatriates like Ahmad Chalabi, who were trying to bait the US into a war to overthrow Saddam, so that they could come in and take over. Some of the rest came from the greedy and unscrupulous, such as Hamza.

Other information derived from satellite photos and telephone intercepts. The satellite photos would just show a vehicle driving up to a building that used to be used for say, biological weapons development back in the 1980s. The analysts interpreted that as evidence that the site was being revived for that purpose. But the truck would actually belong to looters who were stealing the equipment and copper wire. The telephone intercepts would show what Saddam wanted them to show, since he knew the calls were bugged--and he wanted the world to think he had WMD to ward off an attack. There was very little use of Iraqi human intelligence, which could easily have inspected the supposedly reactivated weapons sites (if looters could get in, so could an Iraqi agent run by the CIA).

In addition, the US depends heavily on Mossad, Israeli intelligence, for assessments of threats in the Middle East. As Benny Morris has shown in Israel's Secret Wars, however, Mossad can be stupid or self-interested just like any other organization. UPI reported on June 28, 2002:
"Israel also has "clear indications” that Iraq resumed efforts to produce fissile materials, Mossad leader Ephraim Halevy said while addressing a closed session of the council Wednesday in Brussels. The Israeli Yediot Aharonot newspaper published the full text of the speech Friday."

(http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/28/54138.shtml).

Halevy was just plain wrong. One doesn't know whether he was a "weasel," producing such an assessment because Israeli PM Ariel Sharon demanded it, or whether he was misled by the same Iraqi expatriates who lied to the CIA. If US intelligence counted Mossad's reports as separate and confirmatory to what Chalabi was saying, they may have made a huge mistake and simply counted Chalabi twice. Not only was Mossad producing false intelligence that misled the US, but Sharon created an office of special plans similar to that of US undersecretary of defense for planning Douglas Feith in the Pentagon (headed by Abram Shulsky), with the charge of producing intelligence that would support an Iraq war.

Robert Dreyfuss quoted a high former US government official in The Nation for June 19, 2003, saying of Sharon's operation:
"According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit, which paralleled Shulsky's--and which has not previously been reported--prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon's office, not inside Israel's Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA's, not the Pentagon's, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official."

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030707&s=dreyfuss

Karen Kwiatkowski, then working at the Pentagon describes how she saw with her own eyes that "career Pentagon analysts assigned to Rumsfeld's office were generally excluded from what were "key areas of interest" to Feith, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, notably Israel, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. "In terms of Israel and Iraq, all primary staff work was conducted by political appointees; in the case of Israel, a desk officer appointee from the Washington Institute for Near Policy ."

"
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EH07Ak01.html

A front for the main pro-Sharon Israeli lobby actually supplied the Israel desk officer to the Pentagon! Why not just forget the pretense and appoint Ariel Sharon the US Secretary of Defense?

Kwiatkowski provides more information; according to Jim Lobe: "At the National Security Council (NSC), they communicated mainly with Stephen Hadley, the deputy national security adviser, until Elliott Abrams, a dyed-in-the-wool neocon with close ties to Feith and Perle, was appointed last December as the NSC’s top Middle East aide. “They worked really hard for Abrams; he was a necessary link,” Kwiatkowski told IPS Wednesday. “The day he got (the appointment), they were whooping and hollering, ‘We got him in, we got him in.’”

But she recounts one incident in which she helped escort a group of half a dozen Israelis, including several generals, from the first floor reception area to Feith’s office. “We just followed them, because they knew exactly where they were going and moving fast.” When the group arrived, she noted the book which all visitors are required to sign under special regulations that took effect after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. “I asked his secretary, ‘Do you want these guys to sign in?’ She said, ‘No, these guys don’t have to sign in.’”

It occurred to her, she said, that the office may have not wanted to maintain a record of the meeting. One person in the OSP with a long career in the National Security bureaucracy told her at one point: “What these people are doing now makes Iran-Contra look like amateur hour.”"

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0807-02.htm

By the way, the same groups, like WINEP, that bamboozled the US public into the Iraq war with lies, now want to take over the academic Middle East Studies establishment and use Federal funds to dictate to people like me what we can and cannot say about Middle East politics. They have managed to get congressmen to create a McCarthyite "advisory board" to supervise federally funded international studies programs at major universities, on the grounds that we academics are "disloyal" (!)

Since they have managed to deprive so many in Washington (including virtually all sitting members of Congress) of an effective voice on Middle East affairs if it contradicts the Ariel Sharon platform, they assume it will be easy enough to silence a few rumpled professors in the Midwest. They have another think coming. The Syrian Baath Party and other real experts in censorship have tried to bowdlerize my prose. Stanley Kurtz is a piker compared to Hafez al-Asad.

For Karen Kwiatkowski's whistle blowing on the neocons in the
Pentagon, see

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski-arch.html

The are only three really big winners in the Iraq war: Iraqi Kurds, Iraqi Shiites, and the Israelis. The Israelis, unlike other US allies, have contributed nothing to rebuilding Iraq, and virtually the only thing seen from them has been a) false intelligence and b) hectoring of the US to go on to invade Iran immediately, also apparently mainly for the political gain of Sharon's Likud party. Sharon has also, of course, completely ignored the Bush administration's pleading to make peace with the Palestinians and to seek a Palestinian state. Instead, Sharon is gobbling up the West Bank the same way he seems to gobble up eight meals a day (surely no politician has had a gut quite like that since Henry VIII).


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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 10:18 PM
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1. I have been screaming for months about the connection between
PNAC, Bush, Sharon/Likud, and all the rest. As much as oil and greed are motivators of our foreign policy, so is Israel, and their desire for wars, and to have the U.S. conquer the M.E. for them, so they can set up the apartheid nation they want, and expell all of the Palestinians.

And many congressional Dems vote to support these things too, because of pressure from Israel and their lobbyists. It kills me to wathc Dems vote for PNAC, right along with the likes of Tom DeLay, all because of their blind support of Israel.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 10:22 PM
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2. You are SO right FP. n/t
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 10:33 PM
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3. It's not Israel. It's Likud
Just like PNAC and the neocons are not America.

Just like Osama bin Laden is not Islam.

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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 12:16 AM
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8. I used to point out the difference, but you know, I am not going to do
it anymore. A majority of the voters in Israel chose Sharon and Likud. They are responsible, unlike us in the U.S., where Bush was appointed, despite the fact he lost the popular, and the LEGAL electoral vote. Because a majority of people in Israel are choosing to have these fascist war-mongers represent and lead them, no more shall I give them a free pass.

It's time to quit pussy-footing around with this issue. Israel is allied with some of the worst elements in the world (PNAC/Bush), and are exerting extraordinary influence on our government, our foreign policy, and our electoral processes. This has to stop.

It is against our Constitution to allow a foreign nation to have such influence on the government of this nation. Those who allow it and promote it, are guilty of treason, simple as that.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 02:57 AM
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17. Plus The Majority of Them
Support unequal rights for Arabs and Jews, and support the "transfer" of Palestinians.

At some point, we have to stand back and look at who we are supporting.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 11:02 PM
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5. I've posting and posting about the source of the bad intelligence
Received a couple of nasty e-mail accusing me of being anti-Semitic (a label that has lost all of its meaning).

I'll say it again. The only nation that could give us such bad information and not have it plastered all over the media would have to be Israel or some Israeli covert group like Mossad. We would only take on almost blind faith the word of our "dearest" ally without question.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 12:30 AM
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9. Ignore those nasty emails Loud. There is a small cadre of
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 12:36 AM by Flying_Pig
hyper Israel ultra-nationalists here, who attack anyone speaking the truth. They don't want anyone to know the evil that is being done in Israel's name by Sharon and his Likudniks. They use the spurious accusation of anti-Semitism against all those brave enough to speak the truth, even against people of Jewish heritage, such as myself.

Their usual trick, is to attack a thread, slander and insinuate, and then flame-fest it, until it is either locked, and/or, moved to the pit of I/P. By keeping it in I/P, where few venture because it is dominated by these people, the general membership is unable to learn the truths, which is exactly what they want.

So Loud & Clear, keep speaking up, loud and clear, and don't be afraid. Only through sharing the truth will we smite the enemies of justice and freedom.


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Evanstondem Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 01:34 AM
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14. The Bush Administration will take anything on blind faith
if it agrees with what they have already decided to do. There have been plenty of reports that point to Chalabi and friends as the source of much of the bad information. Italy intelligence had a role in the Niger uranium hoax.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 11:01 PM
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4. well, maybe I'm the only one who thought it was a must read...
but I'll give it a kick anyway.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 11:09 PM
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6. No you're not the only one... Here are several past well-populated threads
Edited on Wed Oct-29-03 11:22 PM by Tinoire
a few months ago about the OSP run from Sharon's office that gave the intelligence to congressional staffers sent to the CIA to work (:wtf:). I think I still have the links if you're interested...

Anyway, many people like me will read this and not comment but I guess we should so that new people can see it.

It's an appalling thing that should frighten us all. PNAC using fabricated intelligence funneled through the OSP for a war against the Arab world. And then Bush will say it's not a Crusade...

We are in a shit-load of trouble.

Carlyle, Bin-Laden, the dream of Greater Israel at the expense of the Palestinians and anyone else occupying the land Sharon thinks is his, oil, gold, the Euro, religious fundamentalism with the Jews, Christians and Muslims all expecting their version of the Messiah right about now.... Oh it's gonna get ugly.

On edit: Thanks for posting this. I've book-marked it because of the new information.

You can find some more stuff in the PNACs archive, as well as these other threads...

PNAC Archive: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=80

Senators may call Wolfowitz to testify on OSP role: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=23129

Does the DLC have personal ties to the Pentagon "spinmeisters?" (OSP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=18512

This war on terrorism is bogus (Guardian)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=9682

The spies who pushed for war
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=18394

New to DU? Here's your =======> Intro to PNAC: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=301411

Michael Ledeen Is Someone to Be Aware Of (PNAC, AEI)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=302820
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 11:26 AM
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18. Morning kick
:kick:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 11:39 PM
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7. Kick
Thanks for the additional info.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 12:33 AM
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10. This is an excellent read, and probably true. That's the reason for the
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 12:35 AM by KoKo01
hold off in investigation. Sadly, if one peeps that Mossad/Sharon could have been involved in anything that got us into Iraq one is labeled. And, often one's posts aren't read unless they are of the flame type that belong in I/P. The other reasoned posts languish or go off to archives, if they last.

It's clear that even the Clinton Admin. had faulty intelligence because when Erskine Bowles (Clinton's buddy) was running for Senate here in NC, I went to a fundraiser for him, and he said "Saddam is the most dangerous threat to us in the MidEast he has weapons he will use against us." It was during the arguments for Iraq Resolution last year this time.

I was really angry with him and had to leave the room because I knew I would ask an uncomfortable question for him, and I couldn't do it in the crowd I was with. But, (as a total non-believer that Saddam was going to attack us, thanks to Byrd's speeches) I still had a niggling of doubt wondering why Bowles was so worked up over Saddam. I thought, what does he know that we don't.

So, Clinton had to have been dealing with some of the same disinformation that Bush was, but restrained himself. Now that we know the information has been wrong for years, since Gulf War I about WMD we have to realize that it must have been intelligence sources other than our own, and even Chalabi's big mouth pushing that Saddam was going to "mushroom cloud" us.

If Bush wasn't so thick with Sharon, we might have kept some of the carnage that's going on there from happening and kept a lid on Saddam. Now, we may never know what the real info was. Sharon get's what he wants and Chimpy get's what he wants. They are both happy.

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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 12:50 AM
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11. Bingo!
Edited on Thu Oct-30-03 12:52 AM by Flying_Pig
I don't know if you've noticed, but I write about these things every day on DU, in multiple posts, and will continue to do so. It is way past time everyone became aware of the connections between Bush, PNAC, and Sharon/Likud, and their effect on our foreign policy and electorial processes.

As Sharon/Likud are planning to do anything they can to help Bush's "re-election" effort, including using their U.S. based allies in the media, and groups like AIPAC, it is extremely important that people understand who is working to keep the Bush regime in office. Likewise, the way Israel influences the votes of our congresspeople, Reugs and Dems alike. They are a cancer on the operation of our government, especially on our foreign policies. It must be stopped.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 01:14 AM
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12. Yes, I read most of them that I see. And, I know they often archive
sooner than they should or get flamed. I think we should be past the point here on DU of assuming that every time Sharon is criticized it's some cell of anti-semites here waiting to jump on him and other DU'ers.

The evidence is hurting both Israel and the US in the eyes of the world. And, it could at some point down the road backfire on the citizens in both our countries. It's in the interest of the Jewish community and all of us to come together and get to the bottom of this and stop the killing. Our economies are at stake in both countries. This just can't go on for the years the PNAC'ers with their dreams of glory and $$$$$$$'s are lusting for.
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 01:54 AM
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15. Very well put Koko, and I agree 100%. And yes, "The evidence is
hurting both Israel and the U.S. .....". That "hurt" is often expressed as terrorism. In addition to our less than enlightened economic and environmental policies, which generates much anger towards us around the world, our ME policies, and our mis-guided relationship with Israel, breeds outright hatred from billions.

Not smart.

I find it very interesting that such a small group of people (the elite) can drive our nation to such ugly depths. Our survival as a nation, depends on defeating these people, and removing them from the levers of power.


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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 01:25 AM
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13. Its interesting that the US, Israel and Britian
all set up 'alternate' intelligent offices outside the normal intelligence community in an effort to control the intelligence. Makes it appear like a coordinated effort...
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Flying_Pig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-03 02:06 AM
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16. It was. Coordinated by PNAC and Sharon.
If you'll look at the PNAC information links listed in Tinoire's post, you'll see that most of the major principals of PNAC (Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Abrams, Bolton, Cheney) are running the Pentagon, and most of our foreign policy apparatus. And interestingly, many worked directly for Israel's government at one time or another as well.

I am currently researching who were the PNAC/Mossad/Sharon players in Britain, advising Tony Blair, but for sure, they were all working together, and were connected.
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