Who are you going to vote for in 2004?

[ShaneGR]

Simple poll.

[JVS]

1. Ah

now it is working.

[ShaneGR]

2. Hmmmmm....

Odd, try again?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. 2 Votes for Bush!!!!!

Get the Mods, das FReepers have invaded!

[ShaneGR]

5. We must round them up

Both of em.

[Hippo_Tron]

39. LMAO...

That's like that Dean Vermont Latino Community cartoon.

[elfwitch]

6. no kidding

How the hell did those creeps sneak in. I'd like to see a reason from those two.

[TacticalPeek]

10. Only as devil's boot-licking advocator can I think of

an honorable (?) out.

Make things worse (prevent reform). Then get a real revolution.

An old commie trick. (And we see how effective old commies are.)

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

18. "old commie trick"

"Make things worse (prevent reform). Then get a real revolution. An old commie trick. (And we see how effective old commies are.)"

That was hilarious! :)

[Clark Can WIN]

48. luckin' frurking feepers

Out you dirty dogs!

[Diogenes2]

4. Someone voted for Bush?

WoW! Looks like a mandate!!

[mmonk]

7. Interesting poll

with votes for Bush at the DU.

[Wellong]

8. I voted Bush

Thought I was Zell Miller there for a second.

Nightmare over. All now normal.

[ignatius]

9. I will go insane(verifiably) if Bush is elected again. Watching

this maniacal afministration destroy this country is breaking my heart,my psyche and my health.

I hope and pray that there are millions and millions more like me who have had enough and are not going to fucking take it anymore!!!

[drb]

11. Come on - let's make it a fair contest....

...have a poll between Bush* and a steaming pile of monkey shit.

[rasputin1952]

26. What's the difference?...

Then again, bush IS a cold pile of monkey shit.

:eyes:

[ThirdWheelLegend]

12. this is easy...

Undecided...


TWL

[SiobhanClancy]

13. What's up with these Bush votes??

Methinks a few somebodies have a warped sense of humour.....or are in the wrong place altogether:(

[OneTwentyoNine]

14. There will always be a few freepers lurking around....

Then one day they say something real stupid and get booted. So far Chimpboy is up to 5 votes--about 5% of the total--for the Bush cartel thats enough for a win!

David

[Dr Fate]

19. The last 3 categories should be lumped together...

in reality, either a DEM or Bush will win, so why complicate things by trying to divine the "conscious" of the voter-

Bottom line: You either vote to defeat Bush, or you vote to enable him.

[WindRavenX]

21. Word

I am voting for whoever the Dems throw out there- even if it is "Da Bagel" Joe Lieberman....

[GreenArrow]

22. False Dilemma

.

[Dr Fate]

23. Unfortunatly, 2004 will be a REAL dillema...

...will we base are votes on HARD politics (What are DEMS GOING to do WHEN elected)...

...or will we base our vote on soft, lofty philosophy (what "would" a 3rd party do "if" they could somehow garner more than 5% of the electorate)

Will the 3rd party voter secretly hope that partisan DEMS and "moderates" cover their asses, or, will the 3rd party voters atcually hope Bush wins in order to "teach us a lesson?"

Even if your vote is based on "party building", you still are faced with the 2 secret hopes I presented in the above question- which is it???

[DrBB]

15. Well, it's unscientific, but I'm guessing

...that a majority of DUers won't be voting for Dubya. Rove must be quaking in his boots....

[Dr Fate]

16. A question for the 3rd parties and undecided...

Will you secretly be pulling for us DEMS to defeat Bush and save your asses- OR do you hope Bush wins in order to "teach us a lesson"???

Certainly you dont think the actual winner will be a 3rd party- so that means that you accept the idea that either a DEM or Bush will win...

Tell us- do you hope that we DEMS cover for you and defeat Bush, or do you hope that Bush wins in order to "teach us a lesson?"

[ulysses]

24. neither.

I voted "undecided", although that's simplistic - unless the nominee is Lieberman (won't happen) or starts acting like him to a great enough degree (could happen), I'll vote Dem.

If I *do* end up voting third party again, however, I'll neither expect any "cover" nor root for Bush in any way, shape or form. I'll just watch the election coverage (probably soused, as per my norm) and then get back to the business at hand...whoever wins.

[Dr Fate]

31. Honestly?

I'll take your word for it, but if you vote 3rd party, you wont be hoping that Bush loses????

I know when I voted for Nader in 2000 (worst mistake of my life), I was hoping and that Gore would pull through...

I think my 2 choice question is valid- anyone with a realistic view of 2004 KNOWS that it is a choice between being governed by a DEM, or governed by Bush...

...surely these 3rd party voters are aware of their preference....

[ulysses]

32. yes, honestly.

I'll take your word for it, but if you vote 3rd party, you wont be hoping that Bush loses????

Sure.

I know when I voted for Nader in 2000 (worst mistake of my life), I was hoping and that Gore would pull through...

He did.

I think my 2 choice question is valid- anyone with a realistic view of 2004 KNOWS that it is a choice between being governed by a DEM, or governed by Bush...

The question was about how one was going to vote, not about whether or not there was a realistic third outcome of the election. The governance dichotomy is true enough, Fate, but your assumption that someone voting third-party in 2004 will either being expecting Dem voter "coverage" or rooting for Bush is not.

Did you know that the Georgia Greens actually ran a candidate against Zell Miller in 2000? I didn't know until a few days before the election, when I saw a yard sign. I voted for Zell anyway - let's talk about worst mistakes. I should have registered two votes for the Greens that year instead of just one.

The likelihood that I will vote Green (or other third party) in 2004 is miniscule, but it's not zero.

...surely these 3rd party voters are aware of their preference....

Can't speak for anyone else, but yes, I know my preference. It's for someone who will offer a clear, even sharp, alternative vision to Bush and PNAC. The fact that I'm not likely to get exactly that, yet support Dean and will vote for any of the rest besides Lieberman, might well be a red flag stuck in the heart of your "with us or against us" view regarding 2004.

[Dr Fate]

33. You say you hope Bush loses, so my question is answered...

...since you hope he loses, then I hope you "vote your conscious" based on that hope.

As far as Zell goes, I am as sick as you are- I voted for Barnes (who appointed Zell) and I also voted for Zell...looks like I also made 2 mistakes(Zell & nader)...

...He did not run on "pro-Bush" rhetoric in 2000, and it is interesting that he makes these statements when he is not counting on DEM votes...but we stray from the topic- Zell aint running, Bush is...

You hope Bush loses in 2004- I hope you work to facilitate that hope...

[ulysses]

34. a devil lurks in them details

You say you hope Bush loses, so my question is answered

Not really, or at least not in the way you think. If the Dem nominee next year is such that I decide to vote third party, then you can bet that I'm not going to be breathing any sigh of relief if he or she wins. There will be no feeling of "well, at least we got a Dem" at Rancho Uly.

Yes, there will probably be a fleeting glimmer of something resembling hope, but in the hard light of day, if the Dem candidate in 2004 is someone who makes me vote third party, it'll be business as usual. Even more so, really - fighting one's own party presents its own set of difficulties that fighting the Republicans doesn't.

You hope Bush loses in 2004- I hope you work to facilitate that hope...

Frankly, the enemy for me is not Bush, or the GOP, but conservatism. You may count on me to work toward that end every day.

[Iverson]

35. agreed

n/t

[ShaneGR]

41. Complete misunderstanding of how the system works

THe GOP is the instrument by which conservatism is used, so therefore you should do what is NECESSARY to get rid of it. And you know very well what that means.

[ulysses]

53. complete misunderstanding of the problem.

The GOP is the tool, yes. Or rather, a tool - there are several. The problem, however, goes quite a bit deeper than electoral math.

[ShaneGR]

54. Ever hit a grandslam???

Neither have I, it's easier to get a double.......

One step at a time... you want everything at once.... as long as Bush is in office, you'll keep taking two steps backwards.

Elect a Dem, at least you'll be moving forward. Elect Bush, keep going backwards. And you think you'll have your moment of truth in 2008? Think again, you'll have JEB BUSH to deal with.

[ulysses]

56. heh

Let's get our folks in the batter's box first.

[ShaneGR]

57. You know, I'm positive about whoever our nominee is

I think everything will be decided in early March, and 99% of the left will quickly move to support whoever that is with grassroots and money.

That's my hope at least.

[ulysses]

58. whatever floats your boat.

You may well be right about the support from the left because the need to rid ourselves of Bush is real. It is, however, only the first step, and if we stop at that, we're only treating the symptom, not the disease.

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. HUH?

Five votes for Bush*? :wtf:

[Dr Fate]

20. I see 15 votes against DEMS, or "for" Bush...

...but then I am ignoring the "rationale" of the vote in favor of the actual result...

[Padraig18]

25. Who are the treasonous bastards casting Bush votes!

Satan, get the behind me! :grr::puke:

[TreasonousBastard]

28. HEY!

Watch that!

[TreasonousBastard]

27. 5 Votes for Shrub...

and more for "undecided."

Somebody's got a sense of humor around here.

Anyway, I have heard at various times from many of the wise members of this forum that every single Democratic candidate out there is either unelectable at best, or a useless, arrogant, lying, thieving, hypocritical, incompetent cowflop at worst. :shrug:

There seems to be no one to vote for. :scared:

Oh, what to do? What to do? :cry:

:think: (Maybe Perot will run again, saving us all from this dilemma )

[rasputin1952]

29. The poll has been FREEPED!!!

5 for the cretin! How could one person vote 5 times and still have a conscience!

:bounce:

[Dr Fate]

30. I see 17 votes "for" Shrub...

...you either vote DEM, or you vote to enable Bush, there are no gray areas in 2004...

[Iverson]

36. incorrect

The "with us or agin' us" dichotomy is no more persuasive the 4,000th time than it was the first.

[Jack Rabbit]

37. Ten votes for Bush?

Is the vote tallying programmed by Diebold?

[bluestateguy]

38. This is how you can know how many Freeper lurkers are here

[ShaneGR]

40. exactly

I tought it would be somewhere areound 5%

[RichM]

42. This poll assumes that it doesn't matter who the nominee is, in

determining one's vote. That's an absurd assumption, reducing the whole poll to yakking & masturbation.

[ShaneGR]

43. Well, it really doesn't matter who the nominee is

I'm voting Dem, period. So it's not absurd, because 84% of the people here seem to think the same way.

[RichM]

49. It "doesn't matter" only for blind party followers. If you have a brain,

& enjoy using it, it matters.

PS - The fact that "xx% of the people here seem to think the same way" means precisely nothing. If the majority is always right, then Republicans are "proved" superior, because they control the entire government.

BTW - more people here believe the Dem Party is part of the problem, than part of the solution.

A Recent DU Poll

[ShaneGR]

50. Hey there partner

There's a column there for 'undecided'. People who haven't made up there mind to vote Dem instead of 3rd Party chose that category. 86% of people have already decided to vote Dem no matter what.

Deal with it. I know it hurts that Bush isn't getting more support, but I'm sure you'll be ok.

[rbnyc]

51. IMHO, if you have a brain...

...you use the primaries to address problems within the democratic party, and you use the general election to eject Bush.

[imax2268]

44. registered Democrat...

so my choice is obvious...

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Democrat

always.

[lysergik]

46. If you were using Diebold software for this poll..

.. Bush would be winning by a landslide. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[Clark Can WIN]

47. President CLARK

yeah baby.

[IndianaGreen]

52. As long as we have an electoral system that favors a duopoly

and as long as we fail to have proportional representation and abolish the archaic and undemocratic Electoral College, the only way to get rid of the Bush nightmare is by voting for the Democratic candidate in 2004.

Millions will die in wars if Bush gets another 4 years!

[ShaneGR]

55. Indiana, even though we disagree on many things

We can agree on this. I don't think I can handle 4 more years of Bush.