Largest union says its backing will go to Dean ‘or no one’ !!!

[WillyT]

A bit of a different angle from the thread in LBN here.

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WASHINGTON, Oct. 30 — Democratic presidential front-runner Howard Dean appeared on the brink of a major triumph Thursday, as the nation’s largest labor union said it would either endorse him or no Democratic contender when its board meets next week. Service Employees International Union president Andrew Stern said, “It is becoming clear that the passion of the members lies with Governor Dean, and that ultimately the decision before the board will be to either endorse him or endorse no one.”

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Link: http://www.msnbc.com/news/986956.asp?0cv=CB10

That's quite a commitment, if they actually vote that way.

Either Dean, or no one. I'm truly not sure how I feel about this. And I'm goin for Dean so far.

Damned Unions are startin to act like the GDer's at DU fer god's sakes, LOL!!!

Hoo, boy! Looks like the locks are being brought out for polishing, no?

Discuss.

:bounce::shrug::bounce:

[0rganism]

1. feels like a railroading...

The obvious inference is that the unions will not endorse a Democratic nominee other than Dean in the general election. This is worrisome.

[SahaleArm]

2. Just for the primary.

All the unions will rally behind the eventual nominee.

[Selwynn]

11. Definately. There's too much at stake for them not to.

But it seems clear that strongly favor Dean to win that nomination.

[SahaleArm]

48. Electability?

I'm curious why Dean over Gephardt? Dean's national numbers put him with everyone else.

[ThoughtCriminal]

4. Check again

I do not see any reference to not supporting a different nominee in the General Election. My understnding is that they may endorse Dean's nomination or they will not have a preference for which Democrat get's nominated. Big difference.

[hedda_foil]

35. It's just one (large) union and the rank and file are demanding Dean.

Not the union bosses.

[madfloridian]

44. Apparently the members want Dean, the officials are giving in.

The people can vote however they please.
The teachers' union here in Florida endorsed McBride, but most of the teachers voted for Jeb anyway.

Of course, they are sorry, but they did not have to honor what the union said.

[rucky]

3. It doesn't mean they wouldn't vote as individuals...

just underlining the strength of their endorsement.

[WillyT]

5. It Also Suggests That Gephardt Is Out Of A Major Union Endorsement...

Which is freakin amazing considering his history, and that they have now put him in the 'no one' category.

Damn, man. Curiouser and curiouser...

We need an Alice in Wonderland icon. Course we've needed one for about three years now.

:shrug:

[KittyWampus]

16. Turf War With AFL-CIO?

:shrug:

[paulk]

6. That's a wierd statement to make -

The passion of the members... ?

I'll tell you something, I belonged to a national union for over 20 years, and three months out from the primary, 95% of the members didn't even know who was running, much less feel passionate about anything.

FWIW....

[rucky]

8. The locals don't care...

but the nationals are verrry political.

Maybe they define "passion" as their suprise that members are speaking out at all?

[Upfront]

41. Union Leadership

cares, and so do locals but it takes a little time. I can tell you that Dean is connecting with his stand up to Bush*. He is on Bush* every time he says something, people notice. He is also right on the big issues, I.E. gun control.

[Cha]

9. "Times They Are Achangin'"

"Passion" is everywhere these days!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. It's a popularity poll amongst members RIGHT NOW

no different then a lot of polls going on RIGHT NOW. This can change and they know it.

[AWD]

10. But...but...but....

....he can't win!
He's McGovern!
He's Gingrich!
He's unelectable!
He's Dukakis!
He's Gingrich again!
He eats babies!
He's too liberal!
He's too conservative!
He's a libertarian!
He's Gingrich again!
He voted for the war but "didn't mean it"! (oops, wrong candidate)
He's a race-baiter!
He's still Gingrich!


Time to face it, nay-sayers...Dean IS the next President of the United States!

[RummyTheDummy]

12. Time to face it, nay-sayers...Dean IS the next President of the United Sta

And what if we don't face it? Are you going to beat us up and take our lunch money?

[AWD]

13. Shhh..

Not so loud! You'll give away my campaign strategy in my district.

[RummyTheDummy]

14. Somehow that doesn't shock me.....

Deanies are an angry lot.

On edit: If Dean wins the nom, save it for the general election!!!!

(Yes, I will hold my nose and vote for Dean if he gets the nomination)

[w4rma]

17. Joke. Joke! C'mon, some folks don't understand how jokes work, I think!

:P

Lighten up, RummyTheDummy!

[RummyTheDummy]

38. Jokes are funny as long as they aren't on your canidate,eh w4rma?

NT

[AWD]

18. And as a Dem....

....you SHOULD be angry.

I wear my anger as a badge of honor. It is a gift and I will use it to defeat Bush and defeat Ralph Regula. Most others just want to use it to defeat Howard Dean.

he got to this point by being angry at what has happened to our country by Bush, the right wing, and Bush enablers. I for one, join him in that anger and embrace it.

[lulu]

21. And offering hope

Dean says he's angry, and then he ends with a statement of hope. I love that.

[AWD]

25. Very true

Usually when he gets to the "hope" part, we're rifling through the pockets of homeless people and Kerry supporters, so I tend to miss that part of his speech.

Incidentally, the homeless people always have more money in their pockets than the Kerry supporters do. I still don't know why.

[shanti]

19. oh good grief

lighten up, why don't ya!

[AWD]

23. Start holding your nose now

And use the other hand to defend against us beating you up.

Oooohhhh, the scary scary Deanies are coming. Look out!

[RummyTheDummy]

27. AWD.....

I don't think I'd have much of a problem defending myself against you if it came to that.

Like I said, Dean wins it I'll vote for him, maybe even joyfully if the mood strikes me.

[AWD]

28. Jesus....

I don't think I'd have much of a problem defending myself against you if it came to that.


Are you actually threatening me??? Wow.

[JVS]

30. GD, home of the knife-fight!

[RummyTheDummy]

33. Actually, I'd rather see a steel cage match....

But that's another story.

[RummyTheDummy]

31. No, you said I could use my other hand to defend myself

Just responding to your thinly veiled threat (in the initial post that started this) that you will go about beating people up who don't agree with you.

[RetroLounge]

34. Take a chill pill dude.

eom

[RummyTheDummy]

39. I don't take drugs.

NT

[AWD]

36. Ummmm....

...it was YOU that brought up beating people up. Check the transcript.

I said "time to face it, naysayers", and YOU (let me repeat...YOU) that said "or what, you'll beat us up and take our lunch money?"

[RummyTheDummy]

40. But you said it was part of your strategy in your district

Quit threatening people who don't agree with you.


On edit: Whoopeee my ignore list got a little longer!

[AWD]

42. Sarcasm

Look it up.

Also, while you're there, look up "projection".

[Skwmom]

24. But the tricky thing about anger - if it is not channeled properly

it accomplishes nothing.

[RummyTheDummy]

29. Exactly.

And I'm not sure Dean is channeling his properly. Then again, if anger ends up deciding this election then we're set.

[sendero]

47. yeah...

... and what's even trickier is that when something is really accomplished, some with cranial rectal inversion syndrome refuse to see it. :)

[rucky]

15. Regula's already got the Lunch Money racket n/t

[AWD]

20. Yeah, but...

...he can't offer the "personal protection program" thatwe have lined up for our constituents.

For 35 cents a day (milk money) we'll keep an eye on your home/business.
For 1 dollar day (lunch money), we'll make sure no strange accidents happen to your home/business.
For 2,000 dollars per election cycle we'll make sure that accidents DO happen, but in another part of town, and we weren't there when that stuff went down.

[Skwmom]

22. He can't win the general election.

Union backing does not equate to a win in the general election. I beginning to think some Dems must love losing (it gives them something to complain about).

[RetroLounge]

32. You spew this over and over and over

and have NEVER given any proof, except for the fact that:

1) He's Howard Dean
2) He's Not (insert your candidate here).

So tell, why can he NOT win the General Election?

[jsw_81]

43. Don't forget this one

[AWD]

45. That's HILARIOUS!

I love it!!!

Please don't hit me, OK?

[ThirdWheelLegend]

46. funny..

edited because I feel like it :P

[_NorCal_D_]

49. Gotta love

www.whitehouse.org!
B-)

[David Zephyr]

26. Three for Three.

Black & Gold, California Teachers, and now this one.

This must be understandably hard for Gephardt.

[RetroLounge]

37. not to mention the Dean Bashers...

eom

[WillyT]

50. Is This Thread Considered 'Hijacked' ???

LOL!!!

:shrug: